The protein myth

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Ballesteri View Post

    Lol I don't no some nonsense I made up, sneaking? snorkeling maybe, I have never seen the show and don't plan ever to.
    Snooky'ed? Lol


  2. Your not going to get anywhere with these people without proof, you'll just be a joke.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by liftandeat View Post
    Your not going to get anywhere with these people without proof, you'll just be a joke.
    Neither are they going to get anywhere with me!!! That's why I was saying he needs to leave. I know those kinds of people and there only on here to cause trouble.... mostly idiots trying to find there place in the world.... Arguing just makes them feel important.

  4. If congress can label pizza as a vegetable for school lunches, can I have them lablel eggs as plants too? I think I could cope with eggs as my only source of protein

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    If congress can label pizza as a vegetable for school lunches, can I have them lablel eggs as plants too? I think I could cope with eggs as my only source of protein

    But EasyE with all the eggplants in Florida how could you not already know about this
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    If congress can label pizza as a vegetable for school lunches, can I have them lablel eggs as plants too? I think I could cope with eggs as my only source of protein
    And vegetable oil....

  7. How about fresh caught raw tuna straight from the ocean right on the boat?

  8. If you cook a steak your then kill the protein? If you bake your hemp seeds does that kill your "live protein" it's ignorant your statement and completely close minded. I myself eat healthy, I eat protein from various sources, whey, protein isolate, casein, cottage cheese, milk,chicken, spinach, and yes hemp seeds. Humans evolved eating both plants and meat, just look at our ****ing teeth son! Back in golden age of bodybuilding what did Arnie, Zane, ferrigno and the likes eat? ****ing eggs, chicken, steak, potatoes and look at them the evidence is clear, they got the nutrients they needed. Eskimos eat diets of almost pure "dead animal" protein. I get what you are saying, it kinda makes sense, but its untrue. If I'm wrong ill gladly accept it and shake your hand, but show some studies, some real evidence backing up your close minded claims. I'm not smart and I'm not qualified these are my personal opinions, show me I'm wrong and ill gladly make a change. Till then

  9. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    Regarding the first paragraph, the idea isn't that small intake of protein will lead to no gains, but finding an amount that will lead to best gains and there are already active discussions about this on both sides.

    If you eat a dead animal, you are getting a delicious source of bioavailable protein, proven to build muscle. A few enzymes may be lost in the cooking process but it's better than food poisoning and parasites. Don't overcook your food and you'll still preserve some of th enzymes anyhow. Bloody steak for the win. Either way though, you are getting a delicious source of bioavailable protein, proven to build muscle.

    Whey protein has an extremely high biological value, and tops the list of proteins for this particular topic. It is not a whole food and nobody argues it to be. It's a "supplement" taken along side whole foods to achieve an amount of protein that creates the optimal conditions for muscle recovery.

    Fruits, vegetables, nuts et cetera make excellent additions to a bloody steak dinner and to a whey shake for a convenient snack but if you want to talk about bad gas, eat a handful of chia seeds and report back.

    Your entire post is off base and incorrect where building muscle is concerned. And for the record, once you rip a fruit, veggie or nut from the vine, it is dead and begins decaying immediatly. By the time you pick fruit up from the grocery store, cart it home and eat it a few days later, it has been dead for weeks. The decomposition may not be horrendous or even noticeable to the senses but many of its enzymes, phytochemicals et cetera have started to degrade.
    Best point I've heard so far

  10. where can I get some "live" protein?? haha

  11. Mothers tit?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Stephen100 View Post
    The strongest animals in the world are vegetarians. The few animals that eat meat have a huge amount of stomach acid and are able to digest the meat a lot easier. Dead animal protein doesn't digest very well in humans, yet ignorant and stupid bodybuilders think that meat is good quality protein. It is not! Even a gorilla has got the intelligence to get its protein from nature. Dumb humans are like sheep. They will follow anything that suits them.
    Gorillas eat their own poop for protein too... that's all I'm saying( sorry for the old thread bump lol
    Why not zoidberg?

  13. My Apologies in advance for writing a book


    Protein - all protein - is digested in the stomache and upper part of the large intestine. Here is a simplified description of the process

    Protein digestion begins in the stomach, chiefly with the action of the hydrochloric acid that is produced there, and by the enzyme called pepsin (PEP-sin). Some seven or more factors influence how fast the enzymes act on the protein. These factors include the concentration of the enzyme, that is, how much of it is present; the amount of protein food needing action; the acidity of the food and of the stomach; the temperature of the food; time; and the presence of any digestion inhibitors, such as antacids. Cooking and chewing help, but protein digestion does not begin in the mouth, as carbohydrate metabolism does. The hydrochloric acid in the stomach is required to break the protein bonds. The protein-containing foods are broken apart, separating out the protein, then the proteins are broken into their constituent parts, the amino acids.

    Protein digestion continues in the upper portion of the small intestine under the action of the pancreatic protein enzymes, trypsin (TRIP-sin) and chymotrypsin (KI-mo-trip-sin). The amino acids are absorbed by the blood capillaries of the small intestines, carried through the liver, and then go into the blood of the general circulation. Recall from our discussion of carbohydrate digestion that absorption is done by means of selectively permeable membranes of the small intestine walls, which are arranged in folds called villi.

    So, whether it is plant proteins or animal proteins - they are digested through similar pathways. Cooking helps digest proteins as it starts the process of breaking open the complex structures which makes the stomach acid be able to get at it more easily.

    The OP is correct that raw foods have more active digestive enzymes associated with them. But the idea that protein from "dead" meat is treated any differently in the stomach than a protein molecule from a "live" bean is hogwash. Eating lots of meat does require a lot of stomach acid, and some people who are low acid producers can have a hard time digesting meat proteins - and may do better on a vegan or lacto ovarian (milk and eggs) diet. Taking Betaine HCl before meals has been a standby of the bodybuilding industry since the Vince Gironda days - the Betaine improves methylation in the liver while the HCl increases stomach acid and protein digestion. One can also supplement digestive enzymes.

    Interestingly, there are arguments that the stomache has a really hard time when asked to digest complex carbs and protein at the same as it requires two different conditions (low acid for the carbs and high acid for the protein). So live foods like beans can be especially hard to digest and get the protein from.

    The OP is completely irrevocably wrong when it comes to bio-availability of proteins. Numerous documented scientific studies have been done on bio-availability ( essentially this is a scale which rates how much of the protein in the food becomes available to the body when it is ingested - with a whole egg getting a rating of 100). From the table below - you see that meat eggs and dairy top the bio-availability list - and plant sources are much lower. Basically it says if your daily require for protein was 200 grams - you would need to eat almost 500 grams of protein (from peanuts) to give you that 200 grams since the protein is only 40% available.

    Protein Source Bio-Availability Index
    Whey Protein Isolate Blends 100-159
    Whey Concentrate 104
    Whole Egg 100
    Cow's Milk 91
    Egg White 88
    Fish 83
    Beef 80
    Chicken 79
    Casein 77
    Rice 74
    Soy 59
    Wheat 54
    Beans 49
    Peanuts 43

    Bottom line - There is no right way to eat - it is a personal choice. There is no good data to support that vegans get protein more efficiently - in fact the opposite is likely too. The human body uses animal protein very effectively.

  14. Oh - and Beef makes me like to "engage in coitus" ( since f*ck is apparently not allowed) - unlike Soy and this boy

    Previous
    research has focused on the beneficial effects of soy and its active
    ingredients, isoflavones. For instance, soy consumption has been associated
    with lower cardiovascular and breast cancer risks. However, the number of
    reports demonstrating adverse effects of isoflavones due to their estrogenlike
    properties has increased. We present the case of a 19-y-old type 1 diabetic but
    otherwise healthy man with sudden onset of loss of libido and erectile
    dysfunction after the ingestion of large quantities of soy-based products in a
    vegan-style diet. Blood levels of free and total testosterone and
    dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) were taken at the initial presentation for
    examination and continuously monitored up to 2 y after discontinuation of the
    vegan diet. Blood concentrations of free and total testosterone were initially
    decreased, whereas DHEA was increased. These parameters normalized within 1 y
    after cessation of the vegan diet. Normalization of testosterone and DHEA
    levels was paralleled by a constant improvement of symptoms; full sexual
    function was regained 1 y after cessation of the vegan diet. This case
    indicates that soy product consumption is related to hypogonadism and erectile
    dysfunction. To the best of our knowledge, this is the first report of a
    combination of decreased free testosterone and increased DHEA blood
    concentrations after consuming a soy-rich diet. Hence, this case emphasizes the
    impact of isoflavones in the regulation of sex hormones and associated physical
    alterations.
    Last edited by haritec; 06-27-2013 at 06:22 PM. Reason: original was censored

  15. and if you want the definitive answer ( and more about protein than most of us want to know )

    yyy.jssm.org/vol3/n3/2/v3n3-2pdf.pdf

    replace the yyy with www - it wont let me posst links yet

  16. Mike Tyson tried this route he became vegan, he lost 40 pounds

  17. Gorillas are omnivores just like humans they like red bloody meat just like we do. I do like the hemp protein and breast milk though (kinda miss my wife being pregnant).

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Stephen100 View Post
    And those who consume more animal proteins have more sickness and disease. Eating a dead, cooked animal is not as good as eating raw protein provided by nature.
    well the inuit prove that idea wrong and have for thousands of years. care to try again?
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Stephen100 View Post
    After an animal has been slaughtered and cooked in the oven or the grill, I think we can safely say that it's not natural.
    anthropologists have proven that eating animal based protein has allowed us to evolve to be homo sapiens in the first place.

    humans have the amazing ability to learn from their experiences and the amazing ability to not do so. reminds me of a quote from einstein, the 2 most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and human stupidity and im not so sure about helium.
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Stephen100 View Post
    The strongest animals in the world are vegetarians. The few animals that eat meat have a huge amount of stomach acid and are able to digest the meat a lot easier. Dead animal protein doesn't digest very well in humans, yet ignorant and stupid bodybuilders think that meat is good quality protein. It is not! Even a gorilla has got the intelligence to get its protein from nature. Dumb humans are like sheep. They will follow anything that suits them.
    those herbovires have different metabolisms and different digestive tracts than we do. they do not require essential amino acids like homo sapiens. so you are not comparing the same things.

    the only thing i can even come close to agreeing with you is that animal meat does not digest as well in our bodies as it would in a carnivore. but guess what, we are not carnivores. we are omnivores. so again not a valid argument.

    and how is animal protein not natural. i have not ready past this post yet but you keep saying its not and i have not read why its not. you have made the claims, can you back them up with science from peer reviewed research journals?
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by asooneyeonig View Post
    those herbovires have different metabolisms and different digestive tracts than we do. they do not require essential amino acids like homo sapiens. so you are not comparing the same things.

    the only thing i can even come close to agreeing with you is that animal meat does not digest as well in our bodies as it would in a carnivore. but guess what, we are not carnivores. we are omnivores. so again not a valid argument.

    and how is animal protein not natural. i have not ready past this post yet but you keep saying its not and i have not read why its not. you have made the claims, can you back them up with science from peer reviewed research journals?
    We could get biblical if anyone here is religious and believes the bible lol... read Genesis chapter 9 verses 1-3... just sayin
    Why not zoidberg?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by macdady View Post
    We could get biblical if anyone here is religious and believes the bible lol... read Genesis chapter 9 verses 1-3... just sayin
    we could, shall we involve all religions? or should we just stick to facts?
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by asooneyeonig View Post
    we could, shall we involve all religions? or should we just stick to facts?
    Evolution isn't fact either mister its called the "the theory of evolution" for a reason lol... I'm not here to start a argument buddy just throwing out another view point on meat eating.
    Why not zoidberg?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by macdady View Post
    Evolution isn't fact either mister its called the "the theory of evolution" for a reason lol... I'm not here to start a argument buddy just throwing out another view point on meat eating.
    http://ncse.com/evolution/education/...cientific-work
    http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_19
    http://thehappyscientist.com/study-u...ory-become-law

    gravity is a theory, it is also a fact it exists. try again. this is not argument, it is facts. science FTW.
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.
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