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There is some truth to this thread.... We as humans eat meat but aren't meant to eat meat often... As cave people we had to survive off of plants for our nutritional needs. It isn't like we caught an animal everyday and also we used a lot more energy in gathering and or catching our food. Broccoli has more protein per calorie than steak. The United States has the highest cancer rate in the world but we are also the largest consumer of animal based proteins which have been proven to activate the dormant cancer cells that we all possess. There are documentaries on this same subject on Netflix. Just like America has the highest percentage of degenerate bone diseases, which has been linked to the consumption of milk, which we are the largest consumer of. When ingested it actually increases acidity in your stomach and our body draws calcium from our bones to neutralize this increase. I consume all of the above, but there is fact in what dude is saying he just didnt include many details.
Here we go again...
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Stupidist or stupidest? Kind of ironic, huh? You come in here degrading people calling them stupid, dumb and ignorant while you misspell your insulting remarks.
Animal protein is not now nor has it ever been "unnatural". Unless you are talking specifically about hormones.
You seem to be a strong advocate of being a vegan, that's fantastic but don't come in here telling people how stupidist, stupidir them are when they disagree. You approached the possibility for an intellectual conversation in an extremely inappropriate fashion.
Start over with actual evidence. Not using some asinine statement of the development of infants as support for your argument. If you honestly believe that to be evidence, I suggest you research the stages of development of infants. You were so quick to discredit those that furnished no factual evidence while you came in doing the exact same thing.
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I hope this thread blows up. I could use a few good laughs throughout the day. Oh man... Theres already room for so much criticism and half-brained theories...
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There is fact in what dude is saying? No, that is incorrect, science is ALWAYS changing and in the field of nutrition it's even worse. The study or studies that you have read have been refuted in hundreds of other studies that back up the original study.
Netflix documentaries and the studies behind them, if looked into deep enough, will usually lead you to the biased individuals that funded them.
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I don't like the notion of using a documentary from Netflix as a foundation upon which to form wholly encompassing ideas about human nutrition. Using this as the evidence to paint broad strokes of "fact" on the canvas of nutritional needs of people shows a serious lack of attention to many sides of the argument. Never assume what you have just read or seen and heard from a publication to be the end all be all of SCIENCE... Like Valdez stated above, the only consistent thing about science is that its forever changing and evolving based on the findings of previous research and theories
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W-w-w.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
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I def agree bodybuilders dont need a ton of protein. I use to eat 300 plus.. i now eat 150g and gain just as good
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This is ridiculous.... cavemen ate meat.... and mostly organs too. Hence why they could live healthily. From all the vits and mins in organs... not plants.... *sigh*
I dont know why im even commenting.... this is retarded.... but could get entertaining....
And second of all if you believe all this bull, you obviously havent thought about evolution.
But then why would the average person be living longer than 10 yrs ago? Please tell me its because of all the nuts and herbs i have been eating.
Your logic is illogical and only have come on here to start trouble... leave this forum or start acting right...
Gah i cant stop posting....
And third cells die slowely. Not immediate. Dont animals twitch still after death?
How old are you? Are you in a cult?
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I think it has to do with being able to survive the life stessors that each has to deal with. Now I know people who have great health and longevity on this diet, but they are also rather sedentary. I on the other hand am not and my body just could not recover from all I was putting it through on this diet, actually had a bit of back trouble while on it.
That being said I still do not eat any animals with four legs lol. for all kinds of reasons not the least of which is the way in which many of these animals are treated. Other than eggs, and fish, I only eat free range turkey and chicken raised without rbgh.
1. 10 yrs has much to do with advances in medicine etc.
2. Who are you to tell the dude to leave the forum. Who are you to decide what constitues, "acting right", not trying to put "you" down but you do come across rather adolescent...
For the record, I'm not affiliated with this Steven guy... Nor am I here to bash lifters... I'm here for information and to gain and share my knowledge on lifting, supplementation, AAS, nutrition, etc.
Idk why your commenting either when you obviously aren't comprehending my statements. I stated we did eat meat but not everyday because we had to catch and kill to do so. It wasnt like we just rolled into a grocery store, so therefore we got the bulk of our nutrition from plants/ vegetables etc.
This is illogical if you are trying to use it as an argument of eating meat... Your great great grandparents surely ate meat yet their life expectancy was drastically shorter. Advances in medicine are mostly to thank. For example of discovery of penicillin, as common as it is today, saved millions of lives in the past.
And for the record, I eat meats, and dairy... I'm not here to bash doing so...
Regarding the first paragraph, the idea isn't that small intake of protein will lead to no gains, but finding an amount that will lead to best gains and there are already active discussions about this on both sides.
If you eat a dead animal, you are getting a delicious source of bioavailable protein, proven to build muscle. A few enzymes may be lost in the cooking process but it's better than food poisoning and parasites. Don't overcook your food and you'll still preserve some of th enzymes anyhow. Bloody steak for the win. Either way though, you are getting a delicious source of bioavailable protein, proven to build muscle.
Whey protein has an extremely high biological value, and tops the list of proteins for this particular topic. It is not a whole food and nobody argues it to be. It's a "supplement" taken along side whole foods to achieve an amount of protein that creates the optimal conditions for muscle recovery.
Fruits, vegetables, nuts et cetera make excellent additions to a bloody steak dinner and to a whey shake for a convenient snack but if you want to talk about bad gas, eat a handful of chia seeds and report back.
Your entire post is off base and incorrect where building muscle is concerned. And for the record, once you rip a fruit, veggie or nut from the vine, it is dead and begins decaying immediatly. By the time you pick fruit up from the grocery store, cart it home and eat it a few days later, it has been dead for weeks. The decomposition may not be horrendous or even noticeable to the senses but many of its enzymes, phytochemicals et cetera have started to degrade.
Cite sources or GTFO.
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