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  1. Dude, let me tell you, once you get get rolling and building size, a freaking 6'8" muscular dude will be awesome! Keep it up and post some pics along the way!


    Quote Originally Posted by Philshred View Post
    Yes I am aware that I am not big. That is actually what I am striving and working towards.

    I will start implementing HIIT as stated earlier and if I see that I keep adding fat I will definitely re adjust my diet.
    -- sE . [Club Garage]/2012


  2. As I told John, I remember being in that same mindset -- I was super skinny in highschool and would lift like a champ but never put on much mass, just a lot of tone. When I started putting on weight as I got a little older, I got sort of excited. It was such a change. Problem was I let it get the best of me and I got up to 240lbs at 6ft. I could see the double chin and all!! I panicked for a bit as I know it takes a lot of work to get it off!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Philshred View Post
    Thanks for your 2cents. My goal is to gain a lot of muscle mass so I thought that I would start bulking up until spring. Obviously I know that I will need many more years to achieve my desired physique. From what Iv'e been reading the best way to gain size is to bulk and to cut afterwards. Obviously I do not enjoy the love handles however it is only temporary and Iv'e always been interested in being fat and having to cut down since I have always been low bf and would like to have first hand knowledge on the process. I guess I could say I was influenced by a babyslayer aka geoleeman type of bulk then cut. If you guys think I'm heading in the wrong path please let me know.

    Thank you
    -- sE . [Club Garage]/2012
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by silenteuphor View Post
    Dude, let me tell you, once you get get rolling and building size, a freaking 6'8" muscular dude will be awesome! Keep it up and post some pics along the way!
    Thank you very much for the words of encouragement! I already started adding in some HIIT today and am being more careful with the types of food I am eating. I will keep you guys updated on my progress and I am already proud of what I have accomplished and am excited to be on this body shaping journey.

    To show you guys my progress here was me last December around 205lbs fairly cut
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    On this one I was around 228lbs and it was taken June the 18th
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    I am currently 240lbs and hopefully I'll be able to post more of some bodybuilding picture in the near future but hopefully you guys can still see some progress in the above pictures.
    Thank you

  4. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    This is just constructive criticism and not meant to bust your chops or anything. What you have described is a typical rookie sort of mistake to load up on carbs. You dont need to over load on carbs to grow. Carbs will only give you energy but fat gives you energy and the basis of pumping out a boat load of hormons. You want hormons. However, if carbs are used in conjunction with plenty of fat and adequate protein actually we are more insulin sensitive, which is what you want.
    Im glad you made all these gains and if you want to make more gains try to understand this approach. As far as weight gain, I went from 165 to 270 at one point before I decided my health is more important then being that heavy
    dont worry im hard to offend. ive gone as high as 207 myself and believe me i knw how to make gains if i want to and it all depends on my consistency, i dont believe he has to overload on carbs just believe his diet is lacking some carbs and especially for breakfast, everyone is different and i dont see how adding complex carbs to your diet when bulking can be a rookie mistake but thanks for the input. appreciate the comments, cuz im always willing to learn, just speaking from my experience and from how ive helped a few friends put on quality mass. Take it how you like, after all its....

    "just one mans' opinion"

  5. Quote Originally Posted by akoli View Post
    dont worry im hard to offend. ive gone as high as 207 myself and believe me i knw how to make gains if i want to and it all depends on my consistency, i dont believe he has to overload on carbs just believe his diet is lacking some carbs and especially for breakfast, everyone is different and i dont see how adding complex carbs to your diet when bulking can be a rookie mistake but thanks for the input. appreciate the comments, cuz im always willing to learn, just speaking from my experience and from how ive helped a few friends put on quality mass. Take it how you like, after all its....

    "just one mans' opinion"
    I dont think eating more carbs will be of any benefit to him as he already is puting on some fat. You dont build muscle by increasing carbs...that's the rookie mistake I was talking about. Carbs are an energy source nothing more nothing less. You eat more carbs then the body needs to burn daily you will put on fat not muscle. Is very simple.
    Now let me ask you a question, why are you insisting of him eating carbs in the morning? What's the purpose?
    Just curious

  6. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    I dont think eating more carbs will be of any benefit to him as he already is puting on some fat. You dont build muscle by increasing carbs...that's the rookie mistake I was talking about. Carbs are an energy source nothing more nothing less. You eat more carbs then the body needs to burn daily you will put on fat not muscle. Is very simple.
    Now let me ask you a question, why are you insisting of him eating carbs in the morning? What's the purpose?
    Just curious
    Sort of right, sort of wrong here Vassille, I do like some things you said here though. Now lets see...Carbs , yes they are non-essential and they are merely a source of energy, but also of Glycogen which (i know its for energy but also...) takes care of muscle fullness and providing more weight and thus more leverage to pull/push heavier weight. Carbs are not a rookie mistake to add, in fact they are what you ahve to add.

    Essential macronutrient levels are:
    1g of protein per lb of bw.
    .5g of fat per lb of bw.

    Body needs these at those levels, you can have them higher, but never lower. Now as far as carbs turning to fat, he merely needs to adjust the amount of carbs he is ingesting according to his daily TDEE (total day energy expenditure) but in fact, going above the above-mentioned levels does NOTHING unless you were on AAS/PH/DS which he is not. What I do like is the way you point out is why the hell does he tell him he needs carbs in the AM? It's been proven it is far better to consume them POST WORKOUT and later in the day...preferably at night, it could be healthier in the long run and it does have leaning effects on the body.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Sort of right, sort of wrong here Vassille, I do like some things you said here though. Now lets see...Carbs , yes they are non-essential and they are merely a source of energy, but also of Glycogen which (i know its for energy but also...) takes care of muscle fullness and providing more weight and thus more leverage to pull/push heavier weight. Carbs are not a rookie mistake to add, in fact they are what you ahve to add.

    Essential macronutrient levels are:
    1g of protein per lb of bw.
    .5g of fat per lb of bw.

    Body needs these at those levels, you can have them higher, but never lower. Now as far as carbs turning to fat, he merely needs to adjust the amount of carbs he is ingesting according to his daily TDEE (total day energy expenditure) but in fact, going above the above-mentioned levels does NOTHING unless you were on AAS/PH/DS which he is not. What I do like is the way you point out is why the hell does he tell him he needs carbs in the AM? It's been proven it is far better to consume them POST WORKOUT and later in the day...preferably at night, it could be healthier in the long run and it does have leaning effects on the body.
    I think they are a rookie mistake and believe me I've done it too. One needs far less carbs if your body runs on fat for energy. THe cells are more sensitive to carbs and fewer carbs will give you the same if not batter insulin response for the purpose of gaining weight if you so choose.
    The one thing about fulness is that I have full muscle fulness at merely 50g of carbs a day. Basically I have a mild pump throughout the day. So this sort of puts your theory on the defense somewhat. Now, I know from experience that ppl do get nice pumps after working out on carbs, but they taper off. Mine does not. When I eat more fat I get bigger pumps and when I eat my cheat meal the pumps sometimes hurt they so intense.

    The big issue at work here is the fatty acids IMO work better then glycogen. Glycogen if abused through high carb intake has a tendency to desentisize the cell receptor becuase of the repeat insulin spikes. That's how type 2 diabetes come to life. So, then the body increases insulin production which does more harm to your cells and body.
    On the other hand fatty acids have no such barrier. Cells use them without any issues. So what you all been told not to eat fat is a pile of crap because humans have been around for 2 million years and grains have only been around for 10 thousand years...you do the math.
    This is free advice if you interested in making gains in the gym, and im doing this simply as a giving back to the community much the same as some others have steered me in the right direction too. Without them I would still be wondering around being 200lbs which btw is nothing to be laughed at, but I wanted to take it further than that.
    By no means you have to listen, but at least do your homework and think outside the box because I didnt put on 80lbs of muscle without a deep understanding of how the body works. I might not know everything but I know what works in the gym and kitchen and I owe a great deal of gratitude to some old timers who set me straight about many things gym related just wished I run into them earlier in my life.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    I think they are a rookie mistake and believe me I've done it too. One needs far less carbs if your body runs on fat for energy. THe cells are more sensitive to carbs and fewer carbs will give you the same if not batter insulin response for the purpose of gaining weight if you so choose.
    The one thing about fulness is that I have full muscle fulness at merely 50g of carbs a day. Basically I have a mild pump throughout the day. So this sort of puts your theory on the defense somewhat. Now, I know from experience that ppl do get nice pumps after working out on carbs, but they taper off. Mine does not. When I eat more fat I get bigger pumps and when I eat my cheat meal the pumps sometimes hurt they so intense.

    The big issue at work here is the fatty acids IMO work better then glycogen. Glycogen if abused through high carb intake has a tendency to desentisize the cell receptor becuase of the repeat insulin spikes. That's how type 2 diabetes come to life. So, then the body increases insulin production which does more harm to your cells and body.
    On the other hand fatty acids have no such barrier. Cells use them without any issues. So what you all been told not to eat fat is a pile of crap because humans have been around for 2 million years and grains have only been around for 10 thousand years...you do the math.
    This is free advice if you interested in making gains in the gym, and im doing this simply as a giving back to the community much the same as some others have steered me in the right direction too. Without them I would still be wondering around being 200lbs which btw is nothing to be laughed at, but I wanted to take it further than that.
    By no means you have to listen, but at least do your homework and think outside the box because I didnt put on 80lbs of muscle without a deep understanding of how the body works. I might not know everything but I know what works in the gym and kitchen and I owe a great deal of gratitude to some old timers who set me straight about many things gym related just wished I run into them earlier in my life.
    Lol you miss my point and I was borderline to negging you for the condescending tone haha. Lets see now, when did I say you cannot have HIGH FATS, I said that they should stay at a minimum level OR HIGHER. Meaning that protein and fat values have a limit in how much you should AT LEAST consume, yet there's no limit in consuming more.

    I did mention that it is not necessarily a mistake to ingest more carbohydrates and I still am not wrong about it, it simply depends on the style of bulking you have. If you are the kind of person that enjoys insulin spikes and handles carbs well (meaning no GI issue or discomfort) by all means you can do the same amount of kCals you need to gain weight with the essential values of protein and fat and just adding carbs. In the end its a kCalorie game and you need a surplus to gain weight.

    Now I do agree (and this is why I hated your condescending tone) that a high fat diet is maginificent, since I do go by this standard. But basically if you check again my post, I am not mistaken anyhow, since I did say that the essential values I mentioned are no more than MINIMUMS that should not be lowered, yet they can always be higher...so if your main kCaloric intake is from fats, you simply fill the rest of the gap with a tiny bit of carbs, and preferably fibrous carbs to help digestion. Again watch the condescending tone and check the content of a post before responding to it. You cannot say it is flat out a rookie mistake, for many people here are bigger than you, and leaner and they do Carb Back loading diets, or Intermittent Fasting High Carb diets...it all depends on your insulin sensitivity.

    So now that you noticed I actually agree with a high fat diet, and wasn't wrong, and merely told yah you cannot say its just a rookie mistake, I propose we start over. Besides the point, I was merely supporting your point in the end, of no carbs in the AM , which IMO is flat out DETRIMENTAL. But that was a point being argued against akoli , not against me !
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Lol you miss my point and I was borderline to negging you for the condescending tone haha. Lets see now, when did I say you cannot have HIGH FATS, I said that they should stay at a minimum level OR HIGHER. Meaning that protein and fat values have a limit in how much you should AT LEAST consume, yet there's no limit in consuming more.

    I did mention that it is not necessarily a mistake to ingest more carbohydrates and I still am not wrong about it, it simply depends on the style of bulking you have. If you are the kind of person that enjoys insulin spikes and handles carbs well (meaning no GI issue or discomfort) by all means you can do the same amount of kCals you need to gain weight with the essential values of protein and fat and just adding carbs. In the end its a kCalorie game and you need a surplus to gain weight.

    Now I do agree (and this is why I hated your condescending tone) that a high fat diet is maginificent, since I do go by this standard. But basically if you check again my post, I am not mistaken anyhow, since I did say that the essential values I mentioned are no more than MINIMUMS that should not be lowered, yet they can always be higher...so if your main kCaloric intake is from fats, you simply fill the rest of the gap with a tiny bit of carbs, and preferably fibrous carbs to help digestion. Again watch the condescending tone and check the content of a post before responding to it. You cannot say it is flat out a rookie mistake, for many people here are bigger than you, and leaner and they do Carb Back loading diets, or Intermittent Fasting High Carb diets...it all depends on your insulin sensitivity.

    So now that you noticed I actually agree with a high fat diet, and wasn't wrong, and merely told yah you cannot say its just a rookie mistake, I propose we start over. Besides the point, I was merely supporting your point in the end, of no carbs in the AM , which IMO is flat out DETRIMENTAL. But that was a point being argued against akoli , not against me !
    LOL, I didnt mean to sound condecending towards you my friend and I made more of a general statement in the post not geared towards you but to others in general. I think I may have had misread your post a bit and some of my point wasnt geared towards you but I wrote it in the same context which lead you to believe it was geared towars you. It's all good sometimes we misunderstand each other but I def wasnt busting your chops in this case. If I was I would tell you right now. Im the type of person that will call a spade a spade.
    You seem an intelligent guy who did do your homework and has knowledge in the matter which is great so we can have conv about nutrition based on facts and personal experience. When we all learn new things everybody benefits. I think the point of all of us being here is to come up with some knowledge we can all use in our personal or even professional life.

    My point in general is the fact that over time carbs eaten in a fair amount over a long life of a person will damage some of the sensitivity to the cells. It is something that may not happen in a year or two but after many years it will start to affect someone's health. After 20 years of BBing I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly about carbs. My statement althoug dry and to the point reflects sort of 20 years of carb intake and it's reprecussions from my experience. When I was talking about the rookie mistake Im actually trying to make the point for ppl not to over use carbs. I eat some carbs and im sure you do too but over eating them is what's the problem and/or eating them at wrong times. Hopefully I made my point a bit more clear now.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    LOL, I didnt mean to sound condecending towards you my friend and I made more of a general statement in the post not geared towards you but to others in general. I think I may have had misread your post a bit and some of my point wasnt geared towards you but I wrote it in the same context which lead you to believe it was geared towars you. It's all good sometimes we misunderstand each other but I def wasnt busting your chops in this case. If I was I would tell you right now. Im the type of person that will call a spade a spade.
    You seem an intelligent guy who did do your homework and has knowledge in the matter which is great so we can have conv about nutrition based on facts and personal experience. When we all learn new things everybody benefits. I think the point of all of us being here is to come up with some knowledge we can all use in our personal or even professional life.

    My point in general is the fact that over time carbs eaten in a fair amount over a long life of a person will damage some of the sensitivity to the cells. It is something that may not happen in a year or two but after many years it will start to affect someone's health. After 20 years of BBing I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly about carbs. My statement althoug dry and to the point reflects sort of 20 years of carb intake and it's reprecussions from my experience. When I was talking about the rookie mistake Im actually trying to make the point for ppl not to over use carbs. I eat some carbs and im sure you do too but over eating them is what's the problem and/or eating them at wrong times. Hopefully I made my point a bit more clear now.
    Completely agree and support that right there, excess will NOT be good and it will NOT lead to extra muscle mass gains. Good to see at least some of my research does reflect with real anecdotal experience with someone with that many years in the sport.

    Good to know it was merely a misunderstanding , and great way to put all this! Thanks a lot.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Completely agree and support that right there, excess will NOT be good and it will NOT lead to extra muscle mass gains. Good to see at least some of my research does reflect with real anecdotal experience with someone with that many years in the sport.

    Good to know it was merely a misunderstanding , and great way to put all this! Thanks a lot.
    NP Def.
    That statement is hiting the nail right on!

  12. Lots of great info on here, thanks guys! For some reason I am not getting any notifications from posts in my thread, does anyone know whatsup? Also it would be really appreciated if you guys had any books to recommend?
    Thx again
  

  
 

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