Abs not showing?!
- 08-01-2012, 12:46 AM
- 08-01-2012, 01:58 AM
You got to build yourself up bud, you are young like me and we can gain muscle way quicker than. most people. Cel gave you some great advice with your diet so make sure not to brush off his advice because you will regret it. You should start a simple but effective workout progran 5x5 or 5/3/1 and make sure to research, learn and research some more. DO NOT GET CAUGHT UP DOING BEACH MUSCLES!! shredded abs on a skinny guy is like nice tits on a fat girl. Compound lifts are god, learn proper technique and dont go to heavy untill form is great! Supplements are useless and dumb without a good base, routine and diet. If you sleep big, eat big and lift big; your will be amaze at the resultshttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/training-forum/198788-highschool-athlete-thread.html
- 08-01-2012, 06:11 PM
Estimate how much work your doing on top of BMR then add in +500kcals on top of this to bulk.
08-01-2012, 06:30 PM
Heavy compound lifts. Oly lifts.
Don't avoid cross fit, don't get to sucked into it. Your not a body builder and a lot of crossfit will transfer to improved athletic performance.
I wouldn't worry about your bf. The fact that you lost that much off p90x means when you start really training you'll lean out and grow. Being young has it's perks.
Eat a lot of protein, I strongly recommend counting calories for a while. This requires weighing food... I can easily eye out 8oz of chicken, not guess. Because I used a food scale for years.
Rugby is a lot of running. Avoid dead lifts close to games or contact practices. Cleans will be your beat friend. Do them heavy. Your a back I'm guessing?
08-01-2012, 06:36 PM
I don't get your post, I proposed him to work over his TDEE not BMR , which is still only an estimate of the energy needed to maintain, hence I added the info of creating a surplus with the ratios for the essential macro nutrients. Also mentioned he has to keep increasing kCalories and from where actually (carbs and to adjust prot and fat effectively for the new weights). Again since it is all an estimate he has to try it out and keep track to find his TDEE (maintenance level) accurately and this adjust the amount of carbs needed to create a surplus. Again, prot and fats are essentially weight dependent and cabs are dependent upon kCalories needed for a surplus or maintenance.Originally Posted by Jiigzz
Can I ask, where you saying I am the kinda people NY advised him against or for? Just wondering because I didn't pay much attention to his post.
>SNS-Glycophase<Serious Nutrition Solutions Rep
08-01-2012, 06:42 PM
And, I wasn't proposing that you advised him wrong; I was explaining to him what BMR was and that this shouldnt be confused with TDEE, because ive read a few times in the past here people getting confused between the two and relying on calculators that estimate BMR and thinking this their calorie maintainece.
Wasn't taking a dig at you in any form; any person on this forum knows you give sound advice.
08-01-2012, 06:51 PM
All I intend is to help out, although we all know this are just essential guidelines and standards, OP has to find out what works BEST for him, and has to have the usual trial and error to find his Maintenance level and to start molding his diet around it. We all do , but a bit of help and pointers of where to start always help I guess!!
That said, what Beny said is also true and I told him so too...He is too young to need or take supplements, and even at higher ages, for body composition its 99% diet+training+rest and only 1% supplementation IMO.
>SNS-Glycophase<Serious Nutrition Solutions Rep
08-01-2012, 07:00 PM
Hopefully that clears it up haha. And yeah I def agree, a supplement is just that, a supplement. And should only be used (imo) when macros cannot be hit through eating foods or if you are restricting a food type (i.e. a vegetarian who may need protein or iron etc because they dont eat meat).
08-02-2012, 01:23 AM
08-02-2012, 01:30 AM
08-21-2012, 03:24 PM
Now, obviously you keep in shape and are active within the week so that raises one question in my mind and that is your DIET.
After doing some calculations after taking in some of your stats eg height, weight age activity level i have come up with the following:
To lose weight when your highly active you will need to be consuming:
Carbohydrates: 297grams = 1186 calories
Protein: 161 grams of protein = 644 calories
Fat: 61 grams of SATURATED WHOLE FATS = 638 calories.
As you are active and i would imagine want to keep what little size you have for rugby, then you will want to be consuming more protein on a weight loss diet to make up for the lack of carbs, for example if you were on a bulking diet you would need 1lbs of protein per pound of body weight and more carbs.
PROTEIN: At Bristol Rugby we have been given a list of foods that would be easy to prepare and that are also rich in proteins, so if you got your mother to cook up some meals in advance that are rich in the following.
WHOLE Eggs - Please the yolk is very importaint, use the whole of the egg as even though the yolk contains colesterol and fat it is also very nutritous and contains protein as well as egg whites.
BEANS - Any of mother natures beans will be very good and high in proteins, so i would add to meals that consist of brown rice and chicken ( much tastier)
CHICKEN - Self explanitory
RED MEAT - High in BCAA amino acids and protein
TUNA/Fish - again aminos and fish oils.
and then obviously you have your SUPPLEMENTS like protein shake.
For your carbohydrates please take the slow releasing wholegrain brown rice or pasta as this will not store into fat as easily and is slow releasing.
Training- For your training to lose fat and strip weight i would recommend 20 minutes maximum on a tredmill doing HIIT
This means setting the tredmill at a jogging pace for 30 seconds, and then sprint as fast as you can for 30 seconds, rince and repeat for 20 minutes and i promise you that you will see those abs in no time at all
Hope that helps.
08-21-2012, 04:46 PM
I suggest lowfat dairy products IMO. As for what you have achieved, that is amazing and congrats. Keep at lifting and diet. Abs are build in kitchen as much as in the gym. Minimize your grain and sugar intake as this still has an effect on your body type and your stomach/waist area.
08-23-2012, 02:42 PM
Thanks and my diet is pretty good my friend sometimes calls me a girl because of how much i care about what i eat but idc lol i dont eat refined grains its all whole wheat if i feel the need and HIIT seems pretty fun since i like sprinting so ill try that out i used to do that durring soccer conditioning! Ive gained some weight now at 151 but its muscle because i still have the same amount of fat and look more defined!Originally Posted by Wils92
08-23-2012, 02:46 PM
Yeah ive been really careful with my intake and i think its more of a lifestyle now been going on serious since february this year! One question i eat a lot of fruits and i mean a lot at night when i want to snack like grapes, pears, peaches etc an i know they contain sugar should i maybe cut down on those and just eat steamed vegetables? ThanksOriginally Posted by Medical420
08-23-2012, 02:55 PM
Yes and no. I myself only eat strawberries, bananasm rasp and blueberrirs as a nightime snack.
No first, Different sugar and fibrous. Yes, depending on how late at night. Food in your digestive system while sleeping takes energy away from healing muscle, organs and tissues. Fruits digest fairly quickly, so no less than 2 hours before bed should be the absolute minimimum.
Cheers bro, and keep it up!
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08-23-2012, 03:04 PM
08-23-2012, 04:25 PM
08-24-2012, 12:44 AM
I am not stating loss, I am stating unhealthy. As for supporting info.
I get and got my info through my naturopathic doctors.
digestion slows while sleeping. Light foods 2 hours before bed is fine. Having a full meal 2hr pre bed Isnt recommended.
if you are digesting, How are you at complete rest?
You are however Reducing the full benefits of the healing/repair process. Which is at its most effective while at complete rest.
Explained to me by my naturopathic Dr.'s
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08-24-2012, 12:50 PM
Scientific research has identified measurable, causative factors and specific methods of preventing and/or treating hundreds of health problems. Naturopaths have done little more than create glib generalities. The above theories are simplistic and/or clash with science-based knowledge of body physiology and pathology. For example:
- "Balance," "vitality," and "harmony with the body" are vitalistic concepts. Like "optimal health" or "supporting" of the body, these concepts are vague and cannot be objectively measured or scientifically tested.
- Naturopaths pretend that precise medical treatment is less important than "maintaining body balance."
- Whether infectious disease occurs depends on the degree of exposure to an infectious organism, the virulence of the organism, and the body's ability to resist. A person does not need to be "toxic" or "imbalanced" in order to catch a cold.
- Some diseases are an inevitable result of genetic make-up. Others have little to do with hereditary factors.
- The general concept of treating disease by "strengthening the immune system" is unsubstantiated and clashes with the fact that in some conditions, such as allergies or autoimmune diseases, the immune system is overreactive.
- Naturopathy's claim that "natural methods" can treat cancer by strengthening the immune system is unsubstantiated, and the notion that cancer represents a failure of the immune system is simplistic . In the late 1950s, it was hypothesized that the immune system guards against cancer cells in ways similar to its protection against infectious organisms. However, subsequent research has demonstrated that relationships between cancers and the immune system are highly complex and that successful tumors develop "tolerance" mechanisms that enable them to invade the body without activating immune responses that would destroy them. The rapidly developing science of cancer immunotherapy is aimed at detecting and defeating these mechanisms. One way might be to mobilize T- cells to attack and destroy cancers, but this will not be simple to do . Merely increasing the number of such cells won't work. Thus the odds that any dietary measure, herb, or other "alternative" approach will solve the problem of cancer by increasing immune surveillance should be regarded as zero.
Naturopaths assert that their "natural" methods, when properly used, rarely have adverse effects because they do not interfere with the individual's inherent healing abilities. This claim is nonsense. Any medication (drug or herb) potent enough to produce a therapeutic effect is potent enough to cause adverse effects. Drugs should not be used (and would not merit FDA approval) unless the probable benefit is significantly greater than the probable risk. Moreover, medically used drugs rarely "interfere with the healing processes." The claim that scientific medical care "merely eliminates or suppresses symptoms" is both absurd and pernicious.
Most of the things naturopaths do have not been scientifically substantiated; and some—such as homeopathy—clearly are worthless. In many cases, naturopaths combine sensible dietary advice (based on medically proven strategies) with senseless recommendations for products.
Barrett, S. (2012, January 2012). A close look at naturopathy. Retrieved from http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...turopathy.html
Do you have any science backing such claims?
08-24-2012, 01:08 PM
Lol. Your right bro. Being in a wheel chair during winter months. On methotrexate, prednasone, Celebrex, naproxine, pantaloc, Paroxatine and a biological Humeria prescribed and eligable for Enbrel. I have walnut size boils, some since early 20s, skin probelms, back problems! Severe arthritis (case studied). I let medical doctors do their thing with worsening results. I went natural. Diet and herbs and I have less swelling, less anxiety anger and depression. More energy, clearer head. The future looks brighter with allergies (food and environmental) Lessing. I use a **** load of MJ for pain, and am able to function in daily life with it.
So your little Neh say to natural doctors, a growing in popularity with more positive results than negative. Means little to the people that have seen both sides with only HERBS actually helping.
I have almost 2" of my medical records on hand in home. We compare then with now monthly. And every month, things have improved. Form 90% body inflammed to 30% since Jun 12.
No offense bro, But open your mind. You can find good or bad of any thing you "search" on the net.
Your cute cut and paste shows me you have basic computer skills. Not something to argue medical and natural. Fortunately. I have recorded my progress. My wife has lived through health sickness and now health again. I have approx 500 people in my life that has seenme in a suicidal state 2 years ago. To being almost "normal" again, mentally and physically.
08-24-2012, 01:10 PM
Also, digestion is controlled via the parasympathetic nervous system. What this means is that at rest the digestive system will function at its peak performance. While some foods that cause GI distress should be avoided before sleep (ie. spicy, greasy, etc.) to say food in general should be before sleep for your aforementioned criteria can not be backed in science. Therefore, the advice given should be taken as such, unproven. I do have a feeling we will have to agree to disagree on this, as you seem to have confidence in naturopathy, while I have absolutely none. I do not need a doctor to tell me to eat healthy and to utilize health based supplements to fill in my nutrition deficiencies.
08-24-2012, 01:16 PM
08-24-2012, 01:28 PM
08-24-2012, 01:31 PM
When claims are made that do not exist in actual physiology it needs to be denoted as such. If not eating before bed has worked for you and you feel better as a result, more power to you and continue to do such. Although to recommend it, as science, based on your own anecdotal evidence to an individual whose physiology most likely is completely different then your own, is ill conceived. Good luck to you in your future and I wish you continued success.
08-24-2012, 01:37 PM
bro your cut and past was the first thing listed in google. you Can find any answer you want on the net. You can argue with words all day long, I am running, pumping, playing and enjoying life after 4 years of hell. So stick to your guns, while others open their eyes. The future will only prove me right. Education doesn't stop after school. Doctors continue to learn, teachers, construction workers. Maybe even personal trainers can learn more after school. Idk. I am living walking proof of what pumping high amounts of herbs can do. So keep shut bro. It doesn t effect me.
08-24-2012, 01:43 PM
Edit: Ill make sure i keep shut in the future, bro.
08-24-2012, 01:51 PM
10-16-2012, 04:20 AM
like already said low bf is key. less than 10 percent. Keep steady and they will come through promise
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