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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach_Body View Post
    Im 15 years old and i was currently over weight at 185 then went down to 146! I dont have much fat on me anymore but i can only see the outline of my abs:/ i workout 6 times a week with cardio everyday and i also play rugby! I eat really healthy so idk whats wrong maybe its just loose skin so any help/suggestions! Maybe bulk up abs idk? Thanks in advance!
    Hey man your not far off your abs being visible, i would say that if you were to lose a further 2-3% bodyfat then your abs would be clearly visible, no matter what people say abs are strictly a body fat thing, if you have bodyfat around the 4-11% range then you will have clear visable abs, obviously the definition would be changing.

    Now, obviously you keep in shape and are active within the week so that raises one question in my mind and that is your DIET.

    After doing some calculations after taking in some of your stats eg height, weight age activity level i have come up with the following:

    To lose weight when your highly active you will need to be consuming:

    Carbohydrates: 297grams = 1186 calories
    Protein: 161 grams of protein = 644 calories
    Fat: 61 grams of SATURATED WHOLE FATS = 638 calories.

    As you are active and i would imagine want to keep what little size you have for rugby, then you will want to be consuming more protein on a weight loss diet to make up for the lack of carbs, for example if you were on a bulking diet you would need 1lbs of protein per pound of body weight and more carbs.


    PROTEIN: At Bristol Rugby we have been given a list of foods that would be easy to prepare and that are also rich in proteins, so if you got your mother to cook up some meals in advance that are rich in the following.


    WHOLE Eggs - Please the yolk is very importaint, use the whole of the egg as even though the yolk contains colesterol and fat it is also very nutritous and contains protein as well as egg whites.

    BEANS - Any of mother natures beans will be very good and high in proteins, so i would add to meals that consist of brown rice and chicken ( much tastier)

    CHICKEN - Self explanitory

    RED MEAT - High in BCAA amino acids and protein

    TUNA/Fish - again aminos and fish oils.

    and then obviously you have your SUPPLEMENTS like protein shake.


    For your carbohydrates please take the slow releasing wholegrain brown rice or pasta as this will not store into fat as easily and is slow releasing.

    Training- For your training to lose fat and strip weight i would recommend 20 minutes maximum on a tredmill doing HIIT


    This means setting the tredmill at a jogging pace for 30 seconds, and then sprint as fast as you can for 30 seconds, rince and repeat for 20 minutes and i promise you that you will see those abs in no time at all


    Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Steak, ground beef/turkey, milk, cottage cheese, greek yogurt, turkey. Those are good friends too.

    I suggest lowfat dairy products IMO. As for what you have achieved, that is amazing and congrats. Keep at lifting and diet. Abs are build in kitchen as much as in the gym. Minimize your grain and sugar intake as this still has an effect on your body type and your stomach/waist area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wils92

    Hey man your not far off your abs being visible, i would say that if you were to lose a further 2-3% bodyfat then your abs would be clearly visible, no matter what people say abs are strictly a body fat thing, if you have bodyfat around the 4-11% range then you will have clear visable abs, obviously the definition would be changing.

    Now, obviously you keep in shape and are active within the week so that raises one question in my mind and that is your DIET.

    After doing some calculations after taking in some of your stats eg height, weight age activity level i have come up with the following:

    To lose weight when your highly active you will need to be consuming:

    Carbohydrates: 297grams = 1186 calories
    Protein: 161 grams of protein = 644 calories
    Fat: 61 grams of SATURATED WHOLE FATS = 638 calories.

    As you are active and i would imagine want to keep what little size you have for rugby, then you will want to be consuming more protein on a weight loss diet to make up for the lack of carbs, for example if you were on a bulking diet you would need 1lbs of protein per pound of body weight and more carbs.

    PROTEIN: At Bristol Rugby we have been given a list of foods that would be easy to prepare and that are also rich in proteins, so if you got your mother to cook up some meals in advance that are rich in the following.

    WHOLE Eggs - Please the yolk is very importaint, use the whole of the egg as even though the yolk contains colesterol and fat it is also very nutritous and contains protein as well as egg whites.

    BEANS - Any of mother natures beans will be very good and high in proteins, so i would add to meals that consist of brown rice and chicken ( much tastier)

    CHICKEN - Self explanitory

    RED MEAT - High in BCAA amino acids and protein

    TUNA/Fish - again aminos and fish oils.

    and then obviously you have your SUPPLEMENTS like protein shake.

    For your carbohydrates please take the slow releasing wholegrain brown rice or pasta as this will not store into fat as easily and is slow releasing.

    Training- For your training to lose fat and strip weight i would recommend 20 minutes maximum on a tredmill doing HIIT

    This means setting the tredmill at a jogging pace for 30 seconds, and then sprint as fast as you can for 30 seconds, rince and repeat for 20 minutes and i promise you that you will see those abs in no time at all

    Hope that helps.
    Wils.
    Thanks and my diet is pretty good my friend sometimes calls me a girl because of how much i care about what i eat but idc lol i dont eat refined grains its all whole wheat if i feel the need and HIIT seems pretty fun since i like sprinting so ill try that out i used to do that durring soccer conditioning! Ive gained some weight now at 151 but its muscle because i still have the same amount of fat and look more defined!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medical420

    I suggest lowfat dairy products IMO. As for what you have achieved, that is amazing and congrats. Keep at lifting and diet. Abs are build in kitchen as much as in the gym. Minimize your grain and sugar intake as this still has an effect on your body type and your stomach/waist area.
    Yeah ive been really careful with my intake and i think its more of a lifestyle now been going on serious since february this year! One question i eat a lot of fruits and i mean a lot at night when i want to snack like grapes, pears, peaches etc an i know they contain sugar should i maybe cut down on those and just eat steamed vegetables? Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach_Body View Post
    Yeah ive been really careful with my intake and i think its more of a lifestyle now been going on serious since february this year! One question i eat a lot of fruits and i mean a lot at night when i want to snack like grapes, pears, peaches etc an i know they contain sugar should i maybe cut down on those and just eat steamed vegetables? Thanks

    Yes and no. I myself only eat strawberries, bananasm rasp and blueberrirs as a nightime snack.

    No first, Different sugar and fibrous. Yes, depending on how late at night. Food in your digestive system while sleeping takes energy away from healing muscle, organs and tissues. Fruits digest fairly quickly, so no less than 2 hours before bed should be the absolute minimimum.

    IMO

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    Thanks and i will! Its usually a couple/few hours before i sleep
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medical420 View Post
    Yes and no. I myself only eat strawberries, bananasm rasp and blueberrirs as a nightime snack.

    No first, Different sugar and fibrous. Yes, depending on how late at night. Food in your digestive system while sleeping takes energy away from healing muscle, organs and tissues. Fruits digest fairly quickly, so no less than 2 hours before bed should be the absolute minimimum.

    IMO

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    Do you have supporting evidence of this as a detriment? kcal yielded through digestion will surely negate any lost in the digestion process.
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    I am not stating loss, I am stating unhealthy. As for supporting info.
    I get and got my info through my naturopathic doctors.
    digestion slows while sleeping. Light foods 2 hours before bed is fine. Having a full meal 2hr pre bed Isnt recommended.
    if you are digesting, How are you at complete rest?
    You are however Reducing the full benefits of the healing/repair process. Which is at its most effective while at complete rest.

    Explained to me by my naturopathic Dr.'s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medical420 View Post
    I am not stating loss, I am stating unhealthy. As for supporting info.
    I get and got my info through my naturopathic doctors.
    digestion slows while sleeping. Light foods 2 hours before bed is fine. Having a full meal 2hr pre bed Isnt recommended.
    if you are digesting, How are you at complete rest?
    You are however Reducing the full benefits of the healing/repair process. Which is at its most effective while at complete rest.

    Explained to me by my naturopathic Dr.'s

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    Scientific research has identified measurable, causative factors and specific methods of preventing and/or treating hundreds of health problems. Naturopaths have done little more than create glib generalities. The above theories are simplistic and/or clash with science-based knowledge of body physiology and pathology. For example:


    • "Balance," "vitality," and "harmony with the body" are vitalistic concepts. Like "optimal health" or "supporting" of the body, these concepts are vague and cannot be objectively measured or scientifically tested.
    • Naturopaths pretend that precise medical treatment is less important than "maintaining body balance."
    • Whether infectious disease occurs depends on the degree of exposure to an infectious organism, the virulence of the organism, and the body's ability to resist. A person does not need to be "toxic" or "imbalanced" in order to catch a cold.
    • Some diseases are an inevitable result of genetic make-up. Others have little to do with hereditary factors.
    • The general concept of treating disease by "strengthening the immune system" is unsubstantiated and clashes with the fact that in some conditions, such as allergies or autoimmune diseases, the immune system is overreactive.
    • Naturopathy's claim that "natural methods" can treat cancer by strengthening the immune system is unsubstantiated, and the notion that cancer represents a failure of the immune system is simplistic [6]. In the late 1950s, it was hypothesized that the immune system guards against cancer cells in ways similar to its protection against infectious organisms. However, subsequent research has demonstrated that relationships between cancers and the immune system are highly complex and that successful tumors develop "tolerance" mechanisms that enable them to invade the body without activating immune responses that would destroy them. The rapidly developing science of cancer immunotherapy is aimed at detecting and defeating these mechanisms. One way might be to mobilize T- cells to attack and destroy cancers, but this will not be simple to do [7]. Merely increasing the number of such cells won't work. Thus the odds that any dietary measure, herb, or other "alternative" approach will solve the problem of cancer by increasing immune surveillance should be regarded as zero.

    Naturopaths assert that their "natural" methods, when properly used, rarely have adverse effects because they do not interfere with the individual's inherent healing abilities. This claim is nonsense. Any medication (drug or herb) potent enough to produce a therapeutic effect is potent enough to cause adverse effects. Drugs should not be used (and would not merit FDA approval) unless the probable benefit is significantly greater than the probable risk. Moreover, medically used drugs rarely "interfere with the healing processes." The claim that scientific medical care "merely eliminates or suppresses symptoms" is both absurd and pernicious.
    Most of the things naturopaths do have not been scientifically substantiated; and some—such as homeopathy—clearly are worthless. In many cases, naturopaths combine sensible dietary advice (based on medically proven strategies) with senseless recommendations for products.

    Barrett, S. (2012, January 2012). A close look at naturopathy. Retrieved from http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...turopathy.html

    Do you have any science backing such claims?
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    Lol. Your right bro. Being in a wheel chair during winter months. On methotrexate, prednasone, Celebrex, naproxine, pantaloc, Paroxatine and a biological Humeria prescribed and eligable for Enbrel. I have walnut size boils, some since early 20s, skin probelms, back problems! Severe arthritis (case studied). I let medical doctors do their thing with worsening results. I went natural. Diet and herbs and I have less swelling, less anxiety anger and depression. More energy, clearer head. The future looks brighter with allergies (food and environmental) Lessing. I use a **** load of MJ for pain, and am able to function in daily life with it.

    So your little Neh say to natural doctors, a growing in popularity with more positive results than negative. Means little to the people that have seen both sides with only HERBS actually helping.

    I have almost 2" of my medical records on hand in home. We compare then with now monthly. And every month, things have improved. Form 90% body inflammed to 30% since Jun 12.

    No offense bro, But open your mind. You can find good or bad of any thing you "search" on the net.

    Your cute cut and paste shows me you have basic computer skills. Not something to argue medical and natural. Fortunately. I have recorded my progress. My wife has lived through health sickness and now health again. I have approx 500 people in my life that has seenme in a suicidal state 2 years ago. To being almost "normal" again, mentally and physically.

    Take care
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    Also, digestion is controlled via the parasympathetic nervous system. What this means is that at rest the digestive system will function at its peak performance. While some foods that cause GI distress should be avoided before sleep (ie. spicy, greasy, etc.) to say food in general should be before sleep for your aforementioned criteria can not be backed in science. Therefore, the advice given should be taken as such, unproven. I do have a feeling we will have to agree to disagree on this, as you seem to have confidence in naturopathy, while I have absolutely none. I do not need a doctor to tell me to eat healthy and to utilize health based supplements to fill in my nutrition deficiencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYiron View Post
    Also, digestion is controlled via the parasympathetic nervous system. What this means is that at rest the digestive system will function at its peak performance. While some foods that cause GI distress should be avoided before sleep (ie. spicy, greasy, etc.) to say food in general should be before sleep for your aforementioned criteria can not be backed in science. Therefore, the advice given should be taken as such, unproven. I do have a feeling we will have to agree to disagree on this, as you seem to have confidence in naturopathy, while I have absolutely none. I do not need a doctor to tell me to eat healthy and to utilize health based supplements to fill in my nutrition deficiencies.


    Right....
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    Sleep_And_Ergonomics/a/What-Happens-When-You-Sleep

    While your asleepl

    Have your thread back young Lad. Do what you feel. There will always be an abundance of opinions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medical420 View Post
    Lol. Your right bro. Being in a wheel chair during winter months. On methotrexate, prednasone, Celebrex, naproxine, pantaloc, Paroxatine and a biological Humeria prescribed and eligable for Enbrel. I have walnut size boils, some since early 20s, skin probelms, back problems! Severe arthritis (case studied). I let medical doctors do their thing with worsening results. I went natural. Diet and herbs and I have less swelling, less anxiety anger and depression. More energy, clearer head. The future looks brighter with allergies (food and environmental) Lessing. I use a **** load of MJ for pain, and am able to function in daily life with it.

    So your little Neh say to natural doctors, a growing in popularity with more positive results than negative. Means little to the people that have seen both sides with only HERBS actually helping.

    I have almost 2" of my medical records on hand in home. We compare then with now monthly. And every month, things have improved. Form 90% body inflammed to 30% since Jun 12.

    No offense bro, But open your mind. You can find good or bad of any thing you "search" on the net.

    Your cute cut and paste shows me you have basic computer skills. Not something to argue medical and natural. Fortunately. I have recorded my progress. My wife has lived through health sickness and now health again. I have approx 500 people in my life that has seenme in a suicidal state 2 years ago. To being almost "normal" again, mentally and physically.

    Take care
    Cut and paste does not show computer skills, but rather demonstrates eduction through providing scientific evidence. I am sorry but statements with no support or anecdotal evidence at best mean nothing and hold no weight. While naturopaths have their place I do not believe they are the saviors they employ themselves to be and most often their claims can not be demonstrated in science. I am happy you have been able to turn your life around and see marked improvements in your health, I by no means meant to take away from that.

    When claims are made that do not exist in actual physiology it needs to be denoted as such. If not eating before bed has worked for you and you feel better as a result, more power to you and continue to do such. Although to recommend it, as science, based on your own anecdotal evidence to an individual whose physiology most likely is completely different then your own, is ill conceived. Good luck to you in your future and I wish you continued success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYiron View Post
    Cut and paste does not show computer skills, but rather demonstrates eduction through providing scientific evidence. I am sorry but statements with no support or anecdotal evidence at best mean nothing and hold no weight. While naturopaths have their place I do not believe they are the saviors they employ themselves to be and most often their claims can not be demonstrated in science. I am happy you have been able to turn your life around and see marked improvements in your health, I by no means meant to take away from that.

    When claims are made that do not exist in actual physiology it needs to be denoted as such. If not eating before bed has worked for you and you feel better as a result, more power to you and continue to do such. Although to recommend it, as science, based on your own anecdotal evidence to an individual whose physiology most likely is completely different then your own, is ill conceived. Good luck to you in your future and I wish you continued success.

    bro your cut and past was the first thing listed in google. you Can find any answer you want on the net. You can argue with words all day long, I am running, pumping, playing and enjoying life after 4 years of hell. So stick to your guns, while others open their eyes. The future will only prove me right. Education doesn't stop after school. Doctors continue to learn, teachers, construction workers. Maybe even personal trainers can learn more after school. Idk. I am living walking proof of what pumping high amounts of herbs can do. So keep shut bro. It doesn t effect me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medical420 View Post
    Sleep_And_Ergonomics/a/What-Happens-When-You-Sleep

    While your asleepl

    Have your thread back young Lad. Do what you feel. There will always be an abundance of opinions!
    I do not want to go back and forth with you so this will be my last post in this thread. What your are giving in support at no point supports your claims. It has shadows of trying to but at no point addresses what you had stated. In addition, the information in article one is from an individual who has his bachelors in industrial design, not any sort of a medical degree. He too lacks any citations to back his claims. Your second article is from a journalist who too provides no citations for the information given. Agree to disagree and let leave it at that, good luck to you and I wish you the best in your health and recovery.

    Edit: Ill make sure i keep shut in the future, bro.
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    Didn't mean that in a dick way. I ment closed minded with shut.

    Cheers
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    like already said low bf is key. less than 10 percent. Keep steady and they will come through promise
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