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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Mark C View Post
    Well you just switched from saying peanut butter to special low-sugar peanut butter. But no matter.

    Now, maybe somebody can answer the following: if sugar automatically makes a person fat, then why weren't the Kitavans fat? They ate lots of fruit. Yet their pictures show them as being very lean and fairly muscular. Why didn't sugar magically make them fat? I'd say that it's because they aren't overeating. They don't consume too many calories. What's your answer??

    Fruit sugars release much more slowly into your system because of all of the fiber in the fruit (some fruits are better than others of course). Some of this fiber is made out of pectin which has been shown to inhibit fat storage in some studies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark C View Post
    I've also seen pictures from decades ago of Inuit women looking pretty fat. How could they have gotten fat with no sugar and very little carbs?
    Loads of whale and seal blubber will make you fat, no doubt about it.


  2. I have regular Jiff PB and it has 3g of sugar per serving. Also, now you're comparing fruits to processed, ****ty food. Please stop.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post
    Fruit sugars release much more slowly into your system because of all of the fiber in the fruit (some fruits are better than others of course). Some of this fiber is made out of pectin which has been shown to inhibit fat storage in some studies.

    Loads of whale and seal blubber will make you fat, no doubt about it.
    So are you agreeing that it is ultimately the amount of calories that makes people fat? Or no?

    And yes, fruits vary a lot according to their GI; e.g., grapes are much higher than plums. (Meanwhile, whole wheat bread is about the same GI as white bread.) But even considering that a high GI means that excess calories will likely be stored as fat more quickly, how does that result in fat gain if you later take those same calories out of adipose tissue to use as fuel?

    IOW, what I'm saying is that sugar doesn't magically make people fat, which is what Lustig is now claiming. The trendy thing used to be Taubes saying that carbs make people fat regardless of calories. That faded away as people realized it's not true. The rice eating Japanese weren't fat for many generations. So now there's an anti-sugar craze. I'd say that it's easy to get extra calories with sugar (and with fat). That's bad for fat people, but advantageous for those who deliberately want to gain weight. If a person carefully controls their calories (and the OP seemed very aware of his calorie intake), then sugar is not a big problem. If a person is getting fat from eating sugar, then they're eating too much; but that is not careful control.

  4. To try to instill some rationality to the thread, I'll point out that the OP's question did NOT say, "I have no trouble consuming lots of food. What are the best and healthiest things to eat?"

    No, instead he said that he can hardly force himself to eat to maintenance level, much less the amounts needed to gain.

    So I responded that foods with high caloric density allow a person to more easily consume more calories. Those foods are high in fat and/or sugar and usually both. Then the knee-jerk anti-sugar responses took hold.

    We are now at the point of discussing glycemic index. Btw, table sugar (sucrose) has a medium-ish GI of around 57 or so. That's not all that much higher than many fruits.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Mark C View Post
    Now, maybe somebody can answer the following: if sugar automatically makes a person fat, then why weren't the Kitavans fat? They ate lots of fruit. Yet their pictures show them as being very lean and fairly muscular. Why didn't sugar magically make them fat? I'd say that it's because they aren't overeating. They don't consume too many calories. What's your answer?
    You have a problem that I imagine the Kitvans don't have. You continually confuse apples and oranges.

    Of course calories matter most in gaining or losing weight. You eat a ton of carbs in a calorie deficient diet you are going to lose weight. You may find that you lose more muscle than you like but you will lose weight.

    On the other hand if you eat a calorie surplus the yes, you will gain. I think it is important to note that most of here to not simply want to gain weight but want to gain LBM. If you think the best way to do that is drink a large soda or cupcake with icing after every meal I think you will find that you are in the minority.
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  6. hey! sorry for the long delay in reply, i've been keeping up with the thread though. i figured i'd give you guys a run down of my daily diet and let you work off of that. i eat a lot of fruit and vegetables everyday, i enjoy the taste more then the health benefits and the energy i gain from the fruit in the morning is great. My 7 to 330 job is manual labor, i work for the DPW of my town, so im outside in all conditions on the handle of a shovel or a jackhammer, on my feet. I figured that changes my calorie allowance for the day as opposed to sitting at a desk all day. I go to the gym 5-6 days a week and 4 of those days are currently on the "HIML" program from jefit, if anyones ever heard of it. (ive altered a few of the exercises to suit me) now for a vague outline of the daily meal plan.

    wake up at 637am, half a glass almond milk and chobani yogurt (plain) as i drive myself to work.

    9am is breaktime at work and i have whole-wheat english muffin(no butter or anything) with egg white on it. 1 1/2 cup of blackberries, raspberries, blueberries. (ratio of each changes each day, i just fill up 1 1/2 cups total) and half an orange. Oh and a mouthful of walnuts

    12 is lunch and i have a sandwhich which is either chicken or turkey with cheese on whole wheat toasted bread. 1 cup walnuts/almonds
    and a protein shake (synth6)

    230 pm i grab another protein shake or else il be hungry because i go to gym at 4pm.

    6pm i have either turkey burger, tuna, chicken, or blackbean burger for dinner and a vegetable salad before hand, no dressing.

    with that, i might be hittin my caloric needs, but i havent counted my calories recently, i use to count every day and i found myself pulling my hair out and started to just do what my body told me to do.


    i really appreciated reading everything you guys have said, and i cant up my calories with sugar, id hate it and my body would flip ****. my stomach doesnt do well with sugar. I know fruit has sugar, but i believe that's different then processed sugar. maybe subconsciously i don't want to bulk, hahah it's frustrating as hell.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by subjec View Post
    hey! sorry for the long delay in reply, i've been keeping up with the thread though. i figured i'd give you guys a run down of my daily diet and let you work off of that. i eat a lot of fruit and vegetables everyday, i enjoy the taste more then the health benefits and the energy i gain from the fruit in the morning is great. My 7 to 330 job is manual labor, i work for the DPW of my town, so im outside in all conditions on the handle of a shovel or a jackhammer, on my feet. I figured that changes my calorie allowance for the day as opposed to sitting at a desk all day. I go to the gym 5-6 days a week and 4 of those days are currently on the "HIML" program from jefit, if anyones ever heard of it. (ive altered a few of the exercises to suit me) now for a vague outline of the daily meal plan.

    wake up at 637am, half a glass almond milk and chobani yogurt (plain) as i drive myself to work.

    9am is breaktime at work and i have whole-wheat english muffin(no butter or anything) with egg white on it. 1 1/2 cup of blackberries, raspberries, blueberries. (ratio of each changes each day, i just fill up 1 1/2 cups total) and half an orange. Oh and a mouthful of walnuts

    12 is lunch and i have a sandwhich which is either chicken or turkey with cheese on whole wheat toasted bread. 1 cup walnuts/almonds
    and a protein shake (synth6)

    230 pm i grab another protein shake or else il be hungry because i go to gym at 4pm.

    6pm i have either turkey burger, tuna, chicken, or blackbean burger for dinner and a vegetable salad before hand, no dressing.

    with that, i might be hittin my caloric needs, but i havent counted my calories recently, i use to count every day and i found myself pulling my hair out and started to just do what my body told me to do.


    i really appreciated reading everything you guys have said, and i cant up my calories with sugar, id hate it and my body would flip ****. my stomach doesnt do well with sugar. I know fruit has sugar, but i believe that's different then processed sugar. maybe subconsciously i don't want to bulk, hahah it's frustrating as hell.
    Yeah I would just suggest adding a scoop of natural PB to your shakes. Easy calories there.
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