Muscle without fat?

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  1. Good discussion guys. Yes, I recognize that there is more to diet than looking good in posing trunks. For me, thats where I am at though. I have read a bit on the benefits of eating organic/whole foods and the detriments of eating processed food and I think there is some merit to it. And I do very well at INCORPORATING it into my diet. However, I just dont believe its worth going out of my way to avoid certain foods all the time because I dont think the negatives outway the inconvenience. I am open to advice on it though....perhaps im wrong.

    My diet consists of quite a few "processed" foods bc its pretty darn hard to avoid "processing" altogether. And in reality.....what is processing anyways? I think its important to qualify that statement because there is certain processing that might be considered harmful....preservatives, sugar alcohols,etc. But fast cooked oats vs. steel cut? Well, technically they are both processed.....one more than the other.....but why avoid either? Perhaps some might have a specific reaction but beyond that??? Almond butter is processed.....honey is processed....it doesnt mean anything specifically to "process" foods. And chances are if you are buying a whole food, you are bringing it home and 'processing' it anyways, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    . But anyway what is your sludge cake?
    Well, you would probably find it an abomination to "clean" eating because pancake mix is the main ingredient. But DANG its sooo good. IMOP, a great way to get your carbs and protein with little fat. I eat several of these per week. Check out the link.
    http://www.3dmusclejourney.com/recipes-sludge-cake.php
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    Pro Natural Bodybuilder
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by AustrianOakJr View Post
    Good discussion guys. Yes, I recognize that there is more to diet than looking good in posing trunks. For me, thats where I am at though. I have read a bit on the benefits of eating organic/whole foods and the detriments of eating processed food and I think there is some merit to it. And I do very well at INCORPORATING it into my diet. However, I just dont believe its worth going out of my way to avoid certain foods all the time because I dont think the negatives outway the inconvenience. I am open to advice on it though....perhaps im wrong.
    If you are truly open to learning and have the time buy the book "Paleo Diet" and give it a read. That and omnivore dilemma were life changing books for me. Organic food isnt the be all end all either. Recent law changes have blurred the term orgranic meaning just cuz it says organic it doesnt mean it really is. A majority of my food is purchased from local farms but not everything as not everything is able to grown or raised locally.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh

    If you are truly open to learning and have the time buy the book "Paleo Diet" and give it a read. That and omnivore dilemma were life changing books for me. Organic food isnt the be all end all either. Recent law changes have blurred the term orgranic meaning just cuz it says organic it doesnt mean it really is. A majority of my food is purchased from local farms but not everything as not everything is able to grown or raised locally.
    Yea. That book is great. I recommend reading it for sure.
    RecoverBro ELITE

  4. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    If you are truly open to learning and have the time buy the book "Paleo Diet" and give it a read. That and omnivore dilemma were life changing books for me. Organic food isnt the be all end all either. Recent law changes have blurred the term orgranic meaning just cuz it says organic it doesnt mean it really is. A majority of my food is purchased from local farms but not everything as not everything is able to grown or raised locally.
    I am actually reading the Omnivores Dilemma right now. Im only into it about 3 chapters and im enjoying it so far. Afterwards, ill check out the Paleo diet. Thanks for the "advices" (as Arnold would say).
    Sean Campbell
    Pro Natural Bodybuilder
    NRC Sponsored Athlete - Cabergolean.com

  5. I would just keep your normal diet, but add a little bit to each meal. Then, get a mass builder shake to add some cals. I personally had amazing results with ultimate nutrition isomass extreme.
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  6. I just eat 200 to 300 over maintenance and make small adjustments as I go adding or lowering cals it takes a long tome to lean bulk but in the long run it is a lot better than having to burn a lot of fat on a cut... I also stick to low GI foods except I may have like some starchy carbs for breakfast

  7. vitamin Tren = muscle w/out fat

    Build slowly if you don't want to go that route. Shoot for 2 pounds a month, this is 24 pound in 1 year so keep that number in mind as you go along. Eat clean for better results.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by AustrianOakJr View Post
    I am actually reading the Omnivores Dilemma right now. Im only into it about 3 chapters and im enjoying it so far. Afterwards, ill check out the Paleo diet. Thanks for the "advices" (as Arnold would say).
    I The Omnivore's Dilemma too. Really changed my perspective on things. Especially the fallacies that are the USDA and FDA
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  9. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    Especially the fallacies that are the USDA and FDA
    Oh please....a total joke.
    Sean Campbell
    Pro Natural Bodybuilder
    NRC Sponsored Athlete - Cabergolean.com

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Mmyamahar6 View Post
    Im 6 feet tall and weigh 160 my goal for now is to hit two hundred can I do this without putting on fat or do I have to bulk then strip I like my six pack alot so im
    Hoping that you guys have some good news
    Personally i prefer to gain as much mass as possible when bulking as that way i know that im providing enough nutrients to grow to my full potential. Id be scared to lean bulk incase i was hindering gains by not having enough nutrients.

    If you logically plan your year when to bulk and when to cut then your abs can be on show during the summer months and only covered up during the winter, this seems the best option to me. Living in Wales, summer doesnt exist for me so i dont have to worry about my abs too much lol
    Smile Now, Cry Later!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by MrL View Post
    Personally i prefer to gain as much mass as possible when bulking as that way i know that im providing enough nutrients to grow to my full potential. Id be scared to lean bulk incase i was hindering gains by not having enough nutrients.

    If you logically plan your year when to bulk and when to cut then your abs can be on show during the summer months and only covered up during the winter, this seems the best option to me. Living in Wales, summer doesnt exist for me so i dont have to worry about my abs too much lol
    For an ecto morph who has trouble putting on weight this is not a bad way to go. But for most people, bodyfat would be excessive if you went about bulking in a no-holds-barred type of way. Personally, I could be 10 lbs heavier by the end of the week if I chose to eat anything and everything I wanted. If you are putting on excessive bodyfat, then you are not maximizing your gains this way because the cut at the end of the bulk would have to be so drastic you would lose much of the muscle you gained on your bulk. For most natural bodybuilders, a very slow rate of gain is the optimal way to put on muscle.
    Sean Campbell
    Pro Natural Bodybuilder
    NRC Sponsored Athlete - Cabergolean.com

  12. In high school I was 120 I'm 18 and just graduated last year. I've been working out seriously for 3 years ever since I was told that I was a skinny bitch. I took the occasional protein shake, nitric oxide pills, creatine etc. But when I took them I noticed significant gains in mass. Not rip. So I decided to just take the occasional shake and creatine, then keep working out everyday I could fit a serious workout... I haven't seen much gain bcuz I look at myself in the mirror everyday, but all my friends are like wow... U gained a **** ton! Your ripped or your in damn good shape. I just now started eating right. And I've been hovering At 150 to say the least I'm doing damn good bcuz I was a skinny bitch before.
    So bottom line if u want to gain muscle without fat... You have to ea

  13. In high school I was 120 I'm 18 and just graduated last year. I've been working out seriously for 3 years ever since I was told that I was a skinny bitch. I took the occasional protein shake, nitric oxide pills, creatine etc. But when I took them I noticed significant gains in mass. Not rip. So I decided to just take the occasional shake and creatine, then keep working out everyday I could fit a serious workout... I haven't seen much gain bcuz I look at myself in the mirror everyday, but all my friends are like wow... U gained a **** ton! Your ripped or your in damn good shape. I just now started eating right. And I've been hovering At 150 to say the least I'm doing damn good bcuz I was a skinny bitch before.
    So bottom line if u want to gain muscle without fat... You have to eat right. Add intensity through every workout and fin the regimen that fits you. Make sure u get alot of amino acids in your diet bcuz a specific amount u can only workout out fir so long. U want to be intense and fierce in the gym. Even though u might not be lifting as much as everyone else just work on your personal gain. I weigh 150 I'm 5'11 and I can bench 205. Squat 275. And deadlift 350. Before I could barely do 125 for bench. 175 for squat. And 225 for deadlift... I was weak but now I'm still not happy till my bench is over 250 at least. So one of the challenges as a person trying to build muscle mass naturally without fat is criticism. U have to be able to listen to the negative people and take that judgment from other people and throw that motivation into your workout. Hit it hard in the weightroom. And get the hell out of there so u have time to recover!!! Eat right and get rest!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by AustrianOakJr View Post
    For an ecto morph who has trouble putting on weight this is not a bad way to go. But for most people, bodyfat would be excessive if you went about bulking in a no-holds-barred type of way. Personally, I could be 10 lbs heavier by the end of the week if I chose to eat anything and everything I wanted. If you are putting on excessive bodyfat, then you are not maximizing your gains this way because the cut at the end of the bulk would have to be so drastic you would lose much of the muscle you gained on your bulk. For most natural bodybuilders, a very slow rate of gain is the optimal way to put on muscle.
    Too be honest you make a fair point as i did gain an excessive amount of fat during my last bulk (ive got pics showing my progress on my profile page)

    I consider myself an ectomorph and i didnt feel i could be too picky with food as i struggled to consume enough calories if i stuck to clean foods. However my new bulk plan is alot better structured this time and will be roughly 500-1000 surplus cals. I could cut this amount for leaner gains but for me this is what i feel comfortable consuming.

    I understand what your saying about losing muscle whilst cutting naturally but i used tren during my last cycle whilst cutting and felt like i maintained alot of the muscle that i gained because of it.
    Smile Now, Cry Later!
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