hahaha this thread has made me laugh. dude, yeah you can eat anything before you sleep, especially while you are bulking. if you are cutting, it gets tricky here. anyways, i would rather my digestive system be digesting on casein protein at night than nothing. you GROW WHILE YOU SLEEP. so why not have protein in your system so it can feed your muscles while they grow. IMO, and this is for me personally, its stupid not to eat before you sleep. ive been doing it ever since i have been educated on bodybuilding
zomg, if you eat anything before bed, your body will digest it and youll poop the bed
Get your calories in before bed time, fools. Having a nice GH release is more important than 200 high GI calories right before bed.
Really, it's not going to make or break you either way. But I get much better results letting my body get a nice GH spike during my sleep(recovery is increased, body comp is much better, etc). More so than I ever have making sure I gave my body enough calories to make it through the night. Especially when it's already gotten enough cals throughout the day...
IMO GH spike > whatever small help a bowl of ****ty ****ing cereal gives you
Has anyone honesty seen any difference in anything by manipulating feeding times, but keep your calories and macronutrients the same? I've been at this for years and I can't find any truly convincing scientific evidence or other evidence that all this manipulation of feeding times makes much difference at all (again assuming constant macronutrients and calories). I've recently decided to quit being so psychotic about this food stuff and simply eat breakfast when I wake up, then lunch, then something after I train, then dinner. I haven't changed my calorie or protein intake, I just quit worrying about all this eat every 2-3 hours stuff. I honesty can't say it has made one bit of difference in the way I look, feel, or perform in training.
My advice to the OP is to have cereal before bed if he wants it. If it causes you trouble to eat before sleeping, then don't. Get your calorie and protein targets in on a consistent basis and you'll be fine no matter how you split it up.
By the way, that nonense about digestion taking up so much energy it impairs growth is truly just nonsense. We are digesting and absorbing our food most of the time and people still manage to get big and strong. It takes much longer than an hour or two to fully digest and absorb most meals, so we are in a "fed" state most of the time (again regardless of how we split up our meals).
Many (if not most) of BB concepts are theoretical discussions that, for simplicity's sake, cannot take into account all the real world variables.
Fewer meals at the same overall food intake means larger individual meals, which take longer to digest. Consequently nutrient flow is not going to be directly proportional to the number of meals. For example, if you get 12 hours of nutrient flow with 8 meals, you are not going to get 6 hours with 4. Probably more like 10...
What usually happens is that in lack of hard scientific evidence, we tend to err on the side of caution. Hence recommendations for 6-8 meals per day, 2g of protein per lb of body weight etc.
And B; not gorging yourself three times a day but rather eating six smaller meals will keep the digestive system revved up and metabolism will therefore be at a higher rate. If the body is fed one large meal a day, it will slow down the processes of turning glycogen into energy and begin to store it as fat. The body doesn't know when it will be nourished again so it plans as so. If we eat smaller meals more regularly though, the body is more than willing to produce more energy because it expects it will be receiving nourishment again soon.
If we go one step further and eat at the exact same time each day, the body will anticipate the nourishment even more and burn off glycogen stores to a more minute rate right up to the point of the next feeding.
If you are more comfortable with smaller, more frequent feedings because you don't like the full feeling with the larger feeds that's fine. I just don't know that there is any significant physiological advantage to this schedule.
anyway no prob with it. I woudl rec some casien protein before bed in its place thow.
or even just a small protein drink along with the cereal.
I usually have a protein drink and will have one pother protein drink already made in fridge . so if/when i get up to pee i take a few chugs of it.
These are just from a quick search on google, they all have basically the same idea.
I like the last link, it's heading is the 6 meals a day myth. When the article is reviewed however, it has a section for when you should eat 6 meals and it states when you want to "gain weight and put on muscle" and when "your an athlete that uses a ton of energy" smaller meals is the way to go dude.
1) Frequent meals may have a beneficial effect on lipids. The difficulty is what is actually defined as "frequent".
2) The thermic effect of food may be influenced by regularity of meal pattern (i.e. a similar meal pattern each day), but does not appear to be affected by number of meals.
3) Smaller more frequent meals may help control appetite more than less frequent feedings for those trying to lose weight.
4) If calories and macronutrients are the same, weight loss is the same with 3 meals vs. 6 meals per day. When calories and macronutrients are standardized it is exceedingly difficult to find any evidence that any changes in lean body mass or fat mass are different with frequent vs. less frequent feedings.
5) The hormone response to a standardized meal is the same regardless of prior meal pattern (3 meals vs. 6 meals per day in the weeks leading up to the test).
6) More frequent feedings may facilitate a greater calorie intake in those who struggle to gain weight.
Main points (as I see it): More frequent feedings may help with appetite control for weight loss. More frequent feedings may be helpful for those who struggle to gain weight by giving them more opportunities to eat. There is not much, if any, objective evidence to support the notion that 6 meals/day offers any physiological advantage in terms of weight loss or weight gain vs. 3-4 meals per day. If you want to eat 6+ times per day, go ahead, but it won't derail your progress if you can only eat 3-4 times per day. It's probably a good idea to follow a regular meal pattern, no matter what frequency you choose.
If you disagree, go look at the evidence yourself and make your own determination. Just be skeptical and look for actual evidence whenever possible (and not just opinion pieces).
If my body can't handle a bowl of cereal before bed, I'm already dead.
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If your diet was worked for you, then I don't see any reason to change things.
I'm more concerned with the approach that some take by telling young trainees that they absolutely have to eat 6 times a day or they won't make any progress and it will cause all sorts of horrible problems (I have no idea if you take this approach or not so I'm not trying to pick on anyone). I just see alot of people freaking out if their schedule only allows them to eat 3 or 4 times per day and in my opinion it's not worth getting that riled up about.
Obviously we will agree to disagree on this one. On a side note it was refreshing to have a reasonable, civil disagreement and not have it degenerate into something else. Good luck with your training.
The only good thing I can think of about eating smaller meals and closer together is keeping insuline levels stable. Which is a good goal if trying to lose wait/cut. The whole it keeps your metabolism fast thing is mumbo jumbo imo.
Otherwise I'm of the firm belief that as long as you get your daily calorie intake and it's good foods within your macros. it will not matter when or how often your meals are placed. Your body will grow and you can go to bed on an empty stomach and not lose muscle mass. I also believe the GH release you will get by doing this will outweigh any benefit to gowing to bed with cereal in your stomach.