guys...i am in need of some guidence here:please help a fellow am member in need.
05-03-2010 11:48 PM
guys...i am in need of some guidence here:please help a fellow am member in need.
sorry for the corney title :P but i really need some advice on what it is i am doing wrong/ Not doing to bulk.. currently i am doing dc training. as for my nutrution i am adding around 4tbsp of olive oil in shakes, and also a cup of oats. here is my delimea. i am trying to get to 202lbs.. its my bench mark that i want to achieve. i currently sit around 185ish as of now. i am eating EVERYTHING in sight and multiple "weight gainer" shakes a day.. but for some reason it seams no matter how much i eat. the number stays the same. has been for around 3 weeks.. i do not know what to do and would GREATLY appreciate someone to help me who might've been through a simliar situation.. please?
thank you for any and all feedback, (all is welcome)
05-03-2010 11:51 PM
how much cardio do you do?
05-03-2010 11:52 PM
no cardio.. im trying to put on weight any and all weight
05-03-2010 11:57 PM
add pb to your shakes, eat cottage cheese at bedtime, and EAT MORE!!
05-04-2010 12:11 AM
how can a 185lb 6'2 guy eat 5000cal 300ish grams of carbs and 350grams of prot and NOT gain weight? even fat?!?
05-04-2010 12:34 AM
try GOMAD if you're serious and eat just the way you are now.. guarantee the weight will set in--a little fat but some damn good MASS. Throw in a little jar of peanut butter a day too. Stay on the high calorie high fat high protein foods like red meat and such not lots of tuna and chicken breast if you want mass. Stick to compounds only! Not iso exercises. Squat Squat Squat!! You're chest, back, and legs is where the weight will come in as they are the largest muscles, only work those at a weight you can do 5 reps! Lots of rest and good sleep. You're body is growing during rest days and sleep, it's not in the gym. Short, intense, heavy, compound work outs.
05-04-2010 12:51 AM
If you have been doing dc for a while try changing it up to a 5x5 or something.
05-04-2010 01:01 AM
just started dc training 2 weeks ago so was going to give that a shot, a COMPLETE 180 from what i usually do. (volume training)
what is gomad btw?
05-04-2010 01:03 AM
and just to give you an idea of my body type/ what i look like currently here is a link to my workout log with pictures. DC training--take 1....time to get big
05-04-2010 04:58 AM
I'm not too familiar with DC training but I looked over your workouts and the work out routine you have--it is really not gonna help you bulk at all. It looks good for cutting. Here is some pointers:
1. I noticed your shake in the morning had 70 grams of protein in it. Never go over 30 g of protein in a given sitting since the human body can only absorb and use up to 30 g at once. The rest you piss out or whatnot. If you ate 280 g of protein with 4 shakes consisting of 70 g of protein each shake (which I'm sure you might have or might be doing), you just consumed 120 g of protein and pissed out 160.
Your diet looks good but the way you eat it needs to change because although it seems you are eating a crap load of protein to bulk, your only using less than half to build muscle. You might even be depriving your muscles of protein by eating too much protein at once lol. Ironic.
2. I'm a firm believer and advocate of the routing split push/pull/legs for mass. Try that. And I can't stress the importance of rest (outside of the gym is where the growing happens). You see, you did pull ups one day which gets your bi's and back, and the next day you were doing bi curls. That is more harmful than helpful to the bi's. Hurt them hard enough at once where you are FORCED to rest.
3. Reduce use of the machines. They are more suited for pro's because machines isolate very very specific parts of muscles. Get on the racks and get off the smith. Free weights rip way more muscle fibers than machines.
4. Your body only grows when it HAS to. Meaning it is scared for it's own survival when you work out hard so it grows thinking getting stronger will suit it better to deal with the stress exerted from workouts. If you're not growing, your body thinks your workouts are a breeze and feels it can handle them just fine. You're not scaring your body enough.
5. (optional) Supplements.
Last but not least GOMAD--Gallon of milk a day. (SPREAD OUT--if you're eating a 30 g protein meal, no need to waste a glass of milk as now you know you'll piss it out. Wait 45 mins)
If you're not getting the results you want, clearly something has got to give. Something needs to change. Whatever you change and add to your routine and diet, try to incorporate these ides. Hope that helped.
05-04-2010 05:18 AM
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 8 weeks
Sustanon 250 OR Testaviron depot - 500mg per week for 8 weeks
Dianabol - 30mg per day, six days per week for 6 weeks
this will bang you up ,no worrys mate
05-04-2010 07:30 AM
another option is lg methyl 1 d, this is not a bad product for smashing through stale points but bear in mind prohormones are roids slag of a sister, wont feel as good but bigger chance of sides. if you are not up for this then eat eat and eat.
05-04-2010 01:42 PM
you make a very good point about how much protien i intake at once... say for example i am eating my post workout meal.. a lb of ground beef. i think i am getting around 108grams of protein but really only using around 30-40 so when i am trying to hit my number of 300grams per day i am really not hitting that number of protein that i am actually using because i am wasting to much in on sitting i believe...i never thought about this but it makes ALOT of sence.... and as far as dc training. it is specificly designed by dante trudel. a 300+ lb body builder who transforms weak ectos into massive guys.. look him up. you;ll crap when u see him.
Originally Posted by chocolatemilk
anabolics is not how i want to get to 202lbs...i've done a cyclke or two in the past im not looking for a quick shot up like that.. i want to get 202lbs naturally (fat gain ok) and then after im around that weight THEN maybe do a cycle..
Originally Posted by kertonstuart
05-04-2010 02:48 PM
Looked over dc training a little bit. I'm curious. If it really works like it's supposed to then yea keep at it.. Don't think you need GOMAD lol. You sound like you're eating like a horse anyway. The simple mod in the way you eat your diet is really all you need and probably what was holding you back. Let me know how it works out for you. Good lifting.
05-04-2010 03:05 PM
i like to think i am eating like a horse :P so far as of today this is what i have eaten..
1. mass building shake. (muscle juice tub i had layin around) arond 1100cal 55g prot 150g carbs
2. big chinese lunch. beef with brocli and fried rice. (had to grab somethhing quick before finals :P
3. just had 1 cup of oatmeal, 1 scoop of protein powder (On whey) and 16oz milk around 700ish cal 50g prot and 60g of carbs..
this is just so far. i plan on eating 4tbsp of penut butter in an hour. and then 2 more "meals" with one weight gainer shake before bed..
(would've added 3 tbsp of evoo, BUT need to buy some more, ran out)
05-05-2010 05:50 AM
i think you could try lg trifecta stack, it is really quite mild but you will notice great ,safe keepable gains.i respect your decsion on roids,as i live in the uk they are not ilegal for me to take but they only should be used when one is totally ready and well informed. lg sciences really are the only option i would ever consider in otc products, because they do work. these sticking points in training happen to every one of us,so dont be discouraged, you will blast through i have no doubt.
05-05-2010 08:26 AM
My usual Bulking diet:
Sammich & Protein shake
A whole rotissery chicken with ranch.
2 Scoops whey, Peanut butter, nesquick
Same for the shake.
Ham sandwhich or a fat burger
London broil or another 2 burgers loaded or steak, or some loaded chicken
I'm the bulking master. Cutting, your on your own lol.
05-05-2010 10:58 AM
Running with the Big Boys
depending on how much muscle mass you have will determine how many g of protein you can handle at once. the suggested amount is 30 to 40 g but i havent found any proven research on this.
05-05-2010 11:11 AM
just to be safe i keep it around 40 from now
peanut butter is MONEY for calories! hell you sit down and 10 scoops later you just ate 1000+ cal and 40g of protein! lol i love it. i dont think i could bulk with out peanut butter,oo,half and half, and oatmeal
05-05-2010 12:43 PM
The BPS Rep
Also, the body isn't static - it will adapt to the nutrients provided. I.e. you eat lots of protein at once and your body will accustom itself to using lots of protein at once.
Originally Posted by R1balla
(Just to be clear, none of the following is directed at anyone, I'm just relating my viewpoint on the subject.) The concept that it's bad to eat more protein than is going to go into protein synthesis is short-sighted and, frankly dumb.
30 to 40g may be the maximum that the body will apply directly to muscle protein synthesis, but there are countless other programs and utilities in which amino acids are needed.
Long story short, eating 50, 60, 70, 80+g of protein at once isn't the bad thing the "bros" would convince you of. Nor is that protein "going to waste", it is simply being utilized in other ways.
You don't consider the carbs that go to maintaining extracellular glycoprotein levels a waste do you? Just because they're not supporting muscular growth or going to glycogen stores doesn't mean your body isn't benefitting from them.
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