why am i not gaining weight?

[BigRed86]

Alright i am on some stuff called halo test 25. stacking with no-estrogen and liver guardian. i take no-explode pre workout. I do 4 days on 1 day off. I have been on this stuff for 2 weeks now and have not seen one pound out of it. My target goal is 225 in 3 months. Will i not hit that? am i just losing fat right now? i am lost
My eating is as follows

After morning workout
1 scoop of syntha 6- 200 calories/ 22 g or protein.

1 hr later

Chicken breast, maybe 2 depends on how hungry i am, a v8,

3 hrs later

Chicken sandwhich, possibly a side if it looks good, a v8

3 hrs later
another syntha 6 protein drink with skimmed milk this time. soy milk if i can get it.

2 hrs later 3 slices of turkey and a slice of cheese with a snack pack of chips, a v8

2 hrs later

syntha 6 protein shake before bed.

Anybody see anythign wrong with the way i am eating. I am open for anything anybody has to add.

Thanks

Matt

 

[TripDog]

Give a little more info on the HaloTest 25 (dose,prior usage) What the hell is no-estrogen

 

[BigRed86]

halo test 25 dosages 2 times daily contains proprietary blen esmax 425 mg: 6 bromo, 5,7-dihydroxyisoflavone, 4',7 dihydroxyisoflavone, diindolylmethane, white button mushroom extract
then 6',7- dihydroxybergamottin 50 mg

no estrogen
4-chloro-17-a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3., 17 bdiol 25 mg
absorbtech delivery system 10mg

 

[TripDog]

halo test 25 dosages 2 times daily contains proprietary blen esmax 425 mg: 6 bromo, 5,7-dihydroxyisoflavone, 4',7 dihydroxyisoflavone, diindolylmethane, white button mushroom extract
then 6',7- dihydroxybergamottin 50 mg

no estrogen
4-chloro-17-a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3., 17 bdiol 25 mg
absorbtech delivery system 10mg

Well you mixed up the chems and names, but here my input. Halodrol (4-chloro) does not convert to estrogen at any degree, so taking an anti-E only driving your estro into the ground. Drop the estro blocker till after the cycle.

Halodrol takes at least 3 weeks to kick in and show effects, its not a fast acting compound. Slow lean mass gains, not explosive size. It's a safe choice, and very low side effects, being the prosteroid to oral turinabol. Weight gain is not going to be drastic, but it will be easier to maintain after the cycle is finish.

People tend to run it around 6 weeks, and experienced users will up the dose to 75-100 near the end. I don't recommend a first timer do this.

 

[urbanski]

you're on a methylated steroid dude. were you aware of that? do you have PCT lined up?
if you cant gain on a steroid, you definitely dont have diet and training in check.

after you make sure you have proper PCT lined up, you should log your intake on fitday.com to see exactly how many calories you take in. then add 1-2K cals each day until you see gains.

this "liver guardian" seems to lack several important ingredients that are staples on cycle. may want to look into cycle support 2.0 or cycle assist. good luck

 

[SmallTownIron]

Alright i am on some stuff called halo test 25. stacking with no-estrogen and liver guardian. i take no-explode pre workout. I do 4 days on 1 day off. I have been on this stuff for 2 weeks now and have not seen one pound out of it. My target goal is 225 in 3 months. Will i not hit that? am i just losing fat right now? i am lost
My eating is as follows

After morning workout
1 scoop of syntha 6- 200 calories/ 22 g or protein.

1 hr later

Chicken breast, maybe 2 depends on how hungry i am, a v8,

3 hrs later

Chicken sandwhich, possibly a side if it looks good, a v8

3 hrs later
another syntha 6 protein drink with skimmed milk this time. soy milk if i can get it.

2 hrs later 3 slices of turkey and a slice of cheese with a snack pack of chips, a v8

2 hrs later

syntha 6 protein shake before bed.

Anybody see anythign wrong with the way i am eating. I am open for anything anybody has to add.

Thanks

Matt

There is A LOT wrong with this diet. Missing lots of food, (c/p/f).

I am 170 and take in three times that much.

If you want to grow, you need to focus on the diet. There is no magical supplement out there.

NO Xplode? Wasted your money.

 

[TripDog]

There is A LOT wrong with this diet. Missing lots of food, (c/p/f).

I am 170 and take in three times that much.

If you want to grow, you need to focus on the diet. There is no magical supplement out there.

NO Xplode? Wasted your money.

Yea agreed. I didn't even bother slamming his sh!t diet, cause I just wanted to give some cycle truth. I rarely have restraint like that lol.

No-Xplode (newbie fuel) is outdated, overpriced crap...

 

[SmallTownIron]

Yea agreed. I didn't even bother slamming his sh!t diet, cause I just wanted to give some cycle truth. I rarely have restraint like that lol.

No-Xplode (newbie fuel) is outdated, overpriced crap...

Tell me about it, I take methylmass right now pre workout and love it.

 

[CornFed]

more complex carbs throughout the day, more healthy fats.

You would add at least 2000 calories that way.

 

[marco wolf]

Anybody see anythign wrong with the way i am eating. I am open for anything anybody has to add.

What you have listed is less than 2000 calories a day. At your size, you probably should be losing weight with this "diet".

I would add whole milk, whole eggs, nuts and ground beef, but that's just me. The Saturated Fats and Milk Nazis may disagree.

 

[sub001]

Add more carbs to your diet. I had good results using a whey shake after my workout (2 scoops at 48grams of protein, who cares if you don't absorb it all, at least there is no chance of missing) and then I took syntha 6 throughout the day once or twice in between meals if I knew I couldn't eat a lot of protein on the go. Add some brown rice to that diet or something like eggs and oatmeal for breakfast, and don't workout on an empty stomach. Some people do, but take some carbs before and burn those up instead of your hard earned muscle. What's your training like?

 

[CornFed]

What you have listed is less than 2000 calories a day. At your size, you probably should be losing weight with this "diet".

I would add whole milk, whole eggs, nuts and ground beef, but that's just me. The Saturated Fats and Milk Nazis may disagree.

I think those foods would fall under the category of "better sources of protein"(with exception to his chicken) and "SOME fats". He does need better sources of protein and more of it, but an even bigger problem is his lack of carbs.

 

[justeat]

add in a pound of pasta a day. you need cals broo. also, what are you eating before your workout? it started off with your post workout meals

 

[nynone]

marco may call me a milk nazi, but i say to avoid milk as much as possible. dairy is harsh on the endocrine (people who can tolerate lactose have a genetic abnormality, meaning we aren't supposed to stomach this stuff after infacy... well, ideally). here's my take on your diet:

tripple what you're eating, and i mean this by a minimum. that's not a diet, that's a f***in crash diet dude. looks like you are pretty much on the atken's diet or some other bullsh** craze diet (the only thing seperating your diet from atken's would be the chips, and possibly the shakes). i'm not trying to say you're doing that diet either, just calling it as i see it ok? now, if I ate that much, i would lose weight, i'm 5'5'', ~145lbs, and that's telling me you're too low on calorie intake. i gotta eat about 4K calories to gain weight, so up your intake bro.

eat often (which you have down), but eat more for each meal. i can eat every hour, and consume about ~500 calories when i eat that often... now i have a high metabolism (very high actually), but get your calories intake high my friend. eat lots of complex carbs, eat lots more meat (i say beef, chicken, tuna at times, salmon, turkey, and pork on occasion since it can be lean depending on the cut). vary your meats, up the intake a lot, and make sure your post-wo drinks and meals are hefty. eat good amounts of protein (like natty peanut butter and celery, protein shake, and some other snack of choice) prior to bed. some people don't like it, btu i love eating before bed, and it has helped me grow a lot.

if you want a diet written, or a sample of my diet if you'd like, i am more than willing to help out (free of charge of course to my AM brothers). i can help out with supps, cover the basics of dieting a pinch, you name it. i'm sure there's others here who have differing opinions, but take all the information in. if everyone tells you to eat more... f***in eat more. kapeesh? (however you spell it haha)

alright, now for the next diet specialist to take the stand and show their opinion :439:

 

[TripDog]

Milk is perhaps my most important diet staple. Not sure why people want to bash something almost nutritionally perfect for bodybuilding, with blend of when,casin, and sugars. I'm gonna go have a glass for all the haters....:439:

 

[brownstown89]

Alright i am on some stuff called halo test 25. stacking with no-estrogen and liver guardian. i take no-explode pre workout. I do 4 days on 1 day off. I have been on this stuff for 2 weeks now and have not seen one pound out of it. My target goal is 225 in 3 months. Will i not hit that? am i just losing fat right now? i am lost
My eating is as follows

After morning workout
1 scoop of syntha 6- 200 calories/ 22 g or protein.

1 hr later

Chicken breast, maybe 2 depends on how hungry i am, a v8,

3 hrs later

Chicken sandwhich, possibly a side if it looks good, a v8

3 hrs later
another syntha 6 protein drink with skimmed milk this time. soy milk if i can get it.

2 hrs later 3 slices of turkey and a slice of cheese with a snack pack of chips, a v8

2 hrs later

syntha 6 protein shake before bed.

Anybody see anythign wrong with the way i am eating. I am open for anything anybody has to add.

Thanks

Matt

thats less than what im eating, and i am trying to maintain 180.. Your not getting alot of calories im sure ur protien is fine but u need more calories..

 

[BigRed86]

haha ok so i guess i need to eat alot more. I will try to change this around. I was just to worried about intaking to many calories and carbs. I don't want to get huge just swole. So milk is good for you milk is bad for you. Just opinion or truth? and yes i have a 30 day post cycle lined up after my 8 week cycle.

So no-explode is waste of money, but i love the jump it gives me since i get up in the morning to work out. felt a diff. is there something else that is better?

And no i do not eat pre workout i can't fit it into my schedule. I am currently deployed so i wake up at 9ish hit the gym for hour and half shower go to chow,work at 1230 work till 1230 1ish come home and barely get 8 hours of sleep. I drink a protein shake before i go to bed becuase i know how important sleep is for working out.

If there is anymore input please do come forward.

I appreciate all the ridcule and pointers. lets me know what i am doing wrong and what i need to change.

Shred supp for after this cycle?

 

[R1balla]

i WOULD NOT jump to a cycle if you arent getting enough food as it is. i hate when ppl do this. im not doggin on you bro, just ppl in general. you will lose most, if not ALL your gains you make on the cycle once u are off if you are not eating. if u wanna be 220 pounds, eat like your 240 pounds. thats my principle. i HIGHLY suggest give your new diet a few months before you think about a PH. if you cant gain off of food, u will lose your steroidal gains i promise. so r u saying u dont wake up and eat before you lift?? if so, that is HORRIBLE. u already arent eating during sleep. why not make it harder on ur body and train hard lol at least make a shake

 

[BigRed86]

^

alright man thanks. I will start packing away some food.

 

[BigRed86]

also quick question. What is a good amount of time for gym time. I am currently doing 1 hr 30 ish in the gym and thinking about uping it to two. good idea or no.

 

[lennoxchi]

also quick question. What is a good amount of time for gym time. I am currently doing 1 hr 30 ish in the gym and thinking about uping it to two. good idea or no.

what kind of a routine are you doing? if you're only doing 2 body parts per w/o then 1-1/2 hours is probably too much. if you can't get done in 60-75 minutes what you need to do then you're moving to slow or talking to much.

 

[Ironhyde]

First and foremost, you have to increase your overall daily caloric intake. To do so, toss that jug of vag (read: skim) milk in the trash and get some whole milk! *cue the milk nazis* I see no beef. You need read meat, and lots of it. Steak and ground beef, both. Peanut butter is another highly beneficial food for putting on size. I've said it a hundred times before, and I'll say it again. There's nothing easier than sitting down with a jar of peanut butter and a huge glass of milk. You can down 1,000 clories in a matter of minutes. You're also lacking sufficient amounts of carbs. Pasta, rice, potatoes, etc. Overall, the bottom line is you need to eat more, and eat more of foods that deliver in the calorie/macronutrient departments. You've gotten some very sound advice on here. Read through it, take what you want and apply it. It bears repeating, so I'll say it one more time for the cheap seats...EAT MORE! Good day!

 

[Broly]

This diet is extremely poor, even to someone who's trying to bulk up naturaly so to someone "on cycle" is more than logical that you're not gaining weight! I'd be surprised if you were! For start, sicne you're "on something" try to ingest about 2gr of protein per pound, 4gr of carbs per pound and use as main source of fat nuts and olive oil or others like this. Than do as many meals per day as you can, your metabolism is boosted by the H-drol that you're taking, so I'll easely aim to 7 to 8 meals per day (and I've done so even without any anabolic help).

 

[sub001]

Bad diet, and spending hours in the gym? I smell troll. If not, eat more food, and be in and out of the gym in an hour at the most, 1.5 hours if you're the slowest person alive. Spending anymore time in there will just be over training, especially on a mass building routine.

 

[wedlund6]

i eat more then that when i am cutting. you need 3200 to 3500 clean good cals on a bulking cycle. eat big and eat clean so your body can use it.use some bulking protien not syntha 6.get a 600 or 800 cal protien

 

[BigRed86]

work out routine
day 1: chest 1hr 1/2
day 2: bi's and tri's 1 hr and 1/2
day 3: back and shoulders 1 hr 1/2
day 4: legs and hardcore sesion of abs. 1 hr 1/2

Will be doing more abs once my shred month comes.

So i am spending to much time in the gym? even taking that stuff? I don't ever feel SATIFIED at the end like i want to keep going and going for another hour. I guess its just how that stuff makes you feel?

Well today i tried cramming more down. It hurt haha. not used to trying to eat all the time
Shake begining of the day

then for breakfast since it is afternoon
chicken breast with mashed potatoes and some nachos with a v8

lunch
2 pieces of viel and pasta with a v8

proteing shake

Two ceral things that you get here in the desert with 2 things of milk

and another shake at the end of the day.

Gonna try to put more away tomorrow.

 

[brownstown89]

haha ok so i guess i need to eat alot more. I will try to change this around. I was just to worried about intaking to many calories and carbs. I don't want to get huge just swole. So milk is good for you milk is bad for you. Just opinion or truth? and yes i have a 30 day post cycle lined up after my 8 week cycle.

So no-explode is waste of money, but i love the jump it gives me since i get up in the morning to work out. felt a diff. is there something else that is better?

And no i do not eat pre workout i can't fit it into my schedule. I am currently deployed so i wake up at 9ish hit the gym for hour and half shower go to chow,work at 1230 work till 1230 1ish come home and barely get 8 hours of sleep. I drink a protein shake before i go to bed becuase i know how important sleep is for working out.

If there is anymore input please do come forward.

I appreciate all the ridcule and pointers. lets me know what i am doing wrong and what i need to change.

Shred supp for after this cycle?

what you gotta remember is when you see "Shredded" people you gotta remember magazine articles all those guys are gettin prepared for a shoot there not looking like that all the time.. GSP is ripped to shreds but thats at weigh ins and his sport calls for extreme weight management... Bodybuilders look shredded around contest time etc..

bottom line is you can down way more calories way more carbs and have more room to cheat and stay more ripped if you concentrate on getting your lifts up and improving your numbers rather then lifting for looks..

 

[BigRed86]

ok that sounds good. And yes i do know those guys on magazines are getting ready for shoots and stuff. I don't expect to be like that. Just wanna have a good body.

 

[Cdubya]

Pretty much what everyone else said. You said you don't want to gain weight? But then you make a "Why can't I gain weight?" thread. Like mentioned, you need WAY more carbs and healthy fats. Your protein is high, but you need more from whole foods. No offense, but I think you need to go back to the drawing board and do a little bit more research. You're under-eating, overtraining(1 and 1/2 hours on arms?), and on top of it, running a cycle. Drop the cycle and supplements and buy FOOD. If you want a pre-workout boost, buy some caffeine tabs online, 7 bucks or so for 200 caps. Take 1-2 pre-workout and adjust your tolerance from there. Take in 3500-4000 calories a day(Split up with 6-8 meals a day, eating every 2 hours) and expect a little fat gain( you can cut it off later). Shoot for a gram/lb of bodyweight in protein, double that in carbs, and get your healthy fats in. Keep the training to 45 mins - 1 hour and no more. Remember, you grow outside the gym, not in it. Drop the 4 on 1 off schedule and go with a 1 on, 1 off, or 2on, 1 off type. You will be more recovered. You're routine looks fine though, just shorten the workouts to what I mentioned earlier. Now go EAT!

 

[BigRed86]

Pretty much what everyone else said. You said you don't want to gain weight? But then you make a "Why can't I gain weight?" thread. Like mentioned, you need WAY more carbs and healthy fats. Your protein is high, but you need more from whole foods. No offense, but I think you need to go back to the drawing board and do a little bit more research. You're under-eating, overtraining(1 and 1/2 hours on arms?), and on top of it, running a cycle. Drop the cycle and supplements and buy FOOD. If you want a pre-workout boost, buy some caffeine tabs online, 7 bucks or so for 200 caps. Take 1-2 pre-workout and adjust your tolerance from there. Take in 3500-4000 calories a day(Split up with 6-8 meals a day, eating every 2 hours) and expect a little fat gain( you can cut it off later). Shoot for a gram/lb of bodyweight in protein, double that in carbs, and get your healthy fats in. Keep the training to 45 mins - 1 hour and no more. Remember, you grow outside the gym, not in it. Drop the 4 on 1 off schedule and go with a 1 on, 1 off, or 2on, 1 off type. You will be more recovered. You're routine looks fine though, just shorten the workouts to what I mentioned earlier. Now go EAT!

I actually did say my target goal was 225 so i am trying to gain weight.
And thanks for the advice. Any is appreciated to make my Lifestyle for what i want better.

I will see where i end up at the end of this week as far as weight gain.

 

[omni]

Your over training and under eating. All the advice so far has been on the money. Glad your asking questions. I spend 20-45 minutes 3-4 times a week in the gym. The rest of the time is eating and shopping for toilet paper. Without protein you won't grow. Without carbs...I think you get it. I always tell people not to waiste money on supplements until their diet is good. My friend wants to start using aas but he's basically a vegetarian, lactose intolerant, and just doesn't get enough protein. If he won't change his diet i won't let him get any gear( i'm his only source) There's help but no magic to getting big. Diet is what most people fail at.

 

[julius kelp]

like they said EAT. +quality carbs pasta, whole grain bread, brown rice, sweet potatoes, etc, +nuts, seeds, healthy oils, do some squats, deadlifts, presses, do mostly compound moves, you'll add weight. real halodrol did nothing for me.

 

[nucleus]

I think you have your answer on the food front - Eat loads more carbs and good fats, and don't train on an empty stomach.

As for training, again you've been given some very sound advice already. All I would add is to plan your training and rest days better so you don't overtrain body parts by doing them 2 days running: eg chest Monday then Triceps Tuesday will just overtrain triceps. Maybe try: Day 1 push (Chest/triceps)
Day 2 pull (back/biceps)
Day 3 rest
Day 4 Thighs (Quads/hams)
Day 5 Shoulders/Calfs
Day 6 & 7 rest

The rest is just as important as the training - also has been mentioned already but if you're spending more than 60-70 mins in the gym you're not training hard enough!

Good luck!

 

[BigRed86]

Update:

217, not as much as i wanted to gain but i am losing alot of fat. starting to look bigger and feel stronger and better in the gym. still have 1 1/2 months until i stop bulking.

i know you guys talked about the over training but when i do chest then bis and tris the next day my chest is the only thing that is soar. My tris are never sore from chest day. So saying that, i can still overtrain them?

 

[nynone]

i personally don't believe in over training, just under re-cooperation. if your triceps dont feel super week the day after chest, then do a tricep/bicep day. if they feel like 85%, then do some core work to wait for an arm day... make sense?

i typically used to do a routine like this:
Day 1- arms
Day 2- chest
Day 3- legs
Day 4- back (sometiems burn out the biceps at the end)
Day 5- shoulders (and sometimes burn up the tri's a bit too)
Day 6- core work
Day 7- rest
repeat

so, as you can see, i did arms and chest back to back, and have even done them in the same day with no poor results. the choice is yours my friend. just let your body tell you what is best for that day. listen to your body, that's the key to it all.

 

[BigRed86]

alright i switched up my days

1- chest
2 back
3 legs
4 arms
5 rest
I feel much better this week. Thanks for the tips everybody.

 

[nynone]

i have to ask, but what about shoulder and core work?

 

[sonny4753]

Alright i am on some stuff called halo test 25. stacking with no-estrogen and liver guardian. i take no-explode pre workout. I do 4 days on 1 day off. I have been on this stuff for 2 weeks now and have not seen one pound out of it. My target goal is 225 in 3 months. Will i not hit that? am i just losing fat right now? i am lost
My eating is as follows

After morning workout
1 scoop of syntha 6- 200 calories/ 22 g or protein.

1 hr later

Chicken breast, maybe 2 depends on how hungry i am, a v8,

3 hrs later

Chicken sandwhich, possibly a side if it looks good, a v8

3 hrs later
another syntha 6 protein drink with skimmed milk this time. soy milk if i can get it.

2 hrs later 3 slices of turkey and a slice of cheese with a snack pack of chips, a v8

2 hrs later

syntha 6 protein shake before bed.

Anybody see anythign wrong with the way i am eating. I am open for anything anybody has to add.

Thanks

Matt

Woh, dude that is less calories then my gf and she's working toward being a figure competitor at 5'4 lol.

Here is my daily diet, give or take a few standard items, that maintains me at 6' 200 and approx 8.5 - 9.0 bf %

I'm a classic ectomorph, started at 24, 6' and 155 lbs and 15% bf.

If I want to gain weight with my current lifting program (5-day split, 2 days off) I have to add to this. Talk about expensive...lol.

 

[BigRed86]

i have to ask, but what about shoulder and core work?

yeah my bad, i do back and shoulders same day. also i do core every other day for about 20 to 25 mins.

 

[Knowbull]

Okay, heres my take; Ya gotta eat till your guts protuding at least 3 times a week, all you can eat buffets are great for this. WO: 3 full body workouts a week, 3x10-14 for about an hour, start with squats and end with tri-extensions, use a push-pull routine that works opposing muscle groups in a sequential manner. Vary your poundages in an ascending manner, add a little more weight every 7 days, dont do any cardio, Use creatine in a cyclical manner, drink 1-3 liters of water a day, take breaks and stay with it. I hope that helps.

 

[nucleus]

ThanksBigRed. No PMs yet as I have only really been using the site for research but seeing the post on gaining weight reminded me of where i was about 10 months ago - with proper diet, sleep and training in place I had it pointed out that I should have more rest days to actually allow myself to grow!

Best advice I ever got - I found it really hard to gain - fast metabolism etc: I seem to burn hundreds of calories by just looking at cardio equipment lol. so just thought I'd point out what is so often overlooked when people are focusing on getting everything else just right. Big compound lifts and don't train more than 3 days in a row IMO - everyone is different but this works for me.

 

[WarMachine000]

There is A LOT wrong with this diet. Missing lots of food, (c/p/f).

I am 170 and take in three times that much.

If you want to grow, you need to focus on the diet. There is no magical supplement out there.

NO Xplode? Wasted your money.

Agreed! You have to take in more calories than you burn. Wanna put on weight- replace some chicken with beef, get 450 grams protein a day, and closer to 4500 calories. Learn about anything you plan on putting into your body- especially supps (although nutrition is the backbone of bodybuilding! ) most supps are garbage and some are dangerous. Stay informed