First Official Bulk: Rate my homemade gainer
- 02-25-2010, 03:36 AM
First Official Bulk: Rate my homemade gainer
Hello, I have been lifting seriously for about two years now, while I have made significant progress in terms of strength I seem to not have made much in terms of mass. For example when I first began lifting I was benching 215 for one rep, now I have gone up to about 13 reps. My weight has hovered anywhere between 155-165, keep in mind I stand 5'7.
In order to help put on more mass I have decided to supplement with a homemade gainer 2X per day. let me know what you guys think, the ingredients I use are as follows;
1 scoop ON 100% whey
1 Scoop ON Nitrocore 24
1/2 cup of ground up raw quaker oats
3 tbsp natural peanut butter or almond butter
12-16oz non-fat milk
- 02-25-2010, 09:49 AM
I highly recommend using whole milk instead of the non-fat. If you haven't been gaining any weight, your calories aren't high enough. The extra calories from the whole milk will be a big help in getting overal calories up, especially if you're taking this two times a day. The oats and peanut butter are great ideas.
- 02-25-2010, 01:37 PM
i second the use of whole milk. i have to keep drinking whole milk during the first 3-4 weeks of my cut just to help keep muscle on, it will do nothing but help your bulk dont worry
02-25-2010, 01:53 PM
why add whole milkl, he can add more nut butter, 5g leucine, and maybe a lil bit of oil.
whole milk isnt needed IMO
4 tablespoon nutbutter is 32g fat (give or take) and 288 calories, plus 50g protein another 200 calories, and 50-75g carbs 200-300 calories
800 calories or so not including indirect carbs, from protein and PB, indirect fat from protein and carbs.
that should be pretty dam good
personally im lactose intolerant and dont eat any dairy
1 cup rice milk
4 tablespoon PB
2 servings farina
1 serving weight control oats
2 scoop protein
depending on consistancy i may add more rice milk
thats a pretty high calorie MRS
you could opt for Hemp milk and get the fat and carbs too,
Just giving suggestions
02-25-2010, 01:57 PM
milk fat is good for you expecially on a bulk man. i dont believe in foods boosting test enough to make a difference but milk fat is proven to boost it some. also it is good fat cals, ALOT of good fat cals. dont be mistaken that the only good fats come from nuts and fish, they also come from milk and eggs.
milk fat equals more quality fats, and he can add more pb too just dont neglect the importance of whole milk man.
02-25-2010, 02:03 PM
Coconut oil does that as well, (cholesterol synthesis in the testis)
olive oil- cant remember exactly what it did but had something to do with conversion to test (there was a thread about it, i read the article a while back so forgive me for not remembering offhand)
but yes saturated fats are important as well,
coconut oil fills that bill as well
and saying that its a lot of good fat cals is tru, but when someone wants more fat theres better ways to do it .
even heavy cream works, but like i said im lactose intolerant,
and milk does not do well for a lot of people even if they arent lactose intolerant, most people have slight milk allergy leading to increased water retention, and it makes you skin appear thicker, but thats another arguement not ment for here and was discussed in different thread already
02-25-2010, 03:23 PM
Drink the whole milk! Besides breast milk, what is the next best option for babies and toddlers? Milk. If it's good enough to promote growth in the earliest stages of life when strength and overall development are the most imortant things, why would it not be one of the best options for growth in healthy adults? If he's training hard enough, the fat isn't going to bother him one bit.
02-25-2010, 03:29 PM
i think someone heres gotta lil grudge against milk...
anyway, drink the whole milk. im sorry but saying not to is just a bad arguement. theres nothing behind it.
milk fat is good fat. hes on a bulk. end of story
lets talk about the rest of what he said now, the arguement about the milk fat shouldnt even have been brought up because there is no argument there
02-25-2010, 03:30 PM
first of all, COWs milk is optimal for calves, but whatever,
oh and what i bolded, isnt true, formula was based around what breast milk has. and Milk being a source of calcium, is why its promoted so heavily, as a Nation relying on processed food, Calcium intake has dropped severly. While growing calcium is importand for bones and much more thats just one example obviously. As people age their ability to digest the Milk and Milk proteins becomes harder, hence Lactose intolerance
also breast milk is best due to the amount of colostrum in it to help with growth, caloric intake ect.
and MOST healthy adults have a MILK ALLERGY,
sorry, i may lose more weight drinking it from all the pissing out my ass ill be doing.
Fat your right wont bother him, unless he has gall bladder issues which is why i reccomended the other options.
there are better calories then "milk calories". you waqnt to add another 200 calories?
milk is not the be all end all people
02-25-2010, 03:33 PM
02-25-2010, 04:38 PM
no one ever said milk is the end all be all. that was never even implied. what was implied was by using whole milk you get MORE good fats and more calories. if he drinks a few glasses of milk a day then if he changes it to whole milk he gets EVEN MORE calories. when your on a bulk its all about calories. i dont have a milk allergy and i only know a hand full of people who do. this thread isnt about milk. hes on a bulk so drink whole milk.
02-25-2010, 04:58 PM
the underlying point is....calories.
doesn't matter if he used cow, goat, or soy milk. or he can skip right to cream if he really wants calories.
he can plug his ingredients into fitday.com and see how many calories each shake is, then figure out how many total he takes in a day and adjust upwards until the pounds start to pile on.
i use whole milk in mine plus olive oil or cream. mine work out to about 1100 cals each. now thats a bulking shake. 2-3/day do me good.
02-25-2010, 05:25 PM
02-25-2010, 05:36 PM
this is what i use twice a day
1 and 1/2 cups of oats
2 large scoops of vanilla ice cream
2 scoops of nitrocore 24
once in a while i will add in berries and stuff for taste and more cals
2 spoon fulls of vanilla yogurt
02-25-2010, 05:39 PM
02-25-2010, 05:42 PM
and its good fats too
and you realize a handful of walnuts in between meals is even better then milk inbetween meals,
your right CALORIES
both a serving of raw nuts or nut butter have more calories then milk!
02-25-2010, 05:47 PM
I said what's the next best option BESIDES breat milk for babies...good ol' cow's milk. Why would you assume he has gall bladder issues??
Sorry you're so bitter towards milk for whatever reason. You can have your handful of walnuts and cups of rice milk. The rest of us will just opt to drink straight from the udder and continue to get bigger and stronger!
02-25-2010, 05:49 PM
good point....my wife tends to hit peanut butter and nuts for her snacks/extra calories. i however just dont like their taste, so i look elsewhere. things like cheese, milk, salami
02-25-2010, 05:51 PM
im not assuming i was relating the fact that you said to much fat is bad, or something to that effect , or too much fat wont hurt him, i said it would IF theres gall bladder issues,
what i say still stands IMO, you should try it,
i try and stay gluten free and lactose free, body composition is MUCH better when removing them from diet
02-25-2010, 05:52 PM
02-25-2010, 05:54 PM
02-25-2010, 09:26 PM
you are wrong we are saying eat them both. i get you cant drink it, but we all can so we are going to drink up. you are missing the point.. it was whatever at first but know im starting to doubt your knowledge. not advocating whole milk for an able bodied person who can drink it? rediculous
02-25-2010, 09:27 PM
[QUOTE=Ironhyde; Sorry you're so bitter towards milk for whatever reason. You can have your handful of walnuts and cups of rice milk. The rest of us will just opt to drink straight from the udder and continue to get bigger and stronger![/QUOTE]
my thoughts exactly
02-25-2010, 09:47 PM
go ahead and eat like a squirrel while us real body builders keep doing what we are doing that has been working for us during bulk. sure we eat almonds and natty butter, but u cant replace milk. lemme guess what ur next tip for bulking is....eating salad instead of chicken? oh, with almonds. cant forget that
02-25-2010, 10:08 PM
02-25-2010, 10:18 PM
trust me, we will
02-25-2010, 10:59 PM
hmm...and all your items arent? whats your problem with milk??? and dont even go there will gall bladder issues. i work in the med field. he didnt even say anything about gall bladder issues that i saw. many things are good from milk. the amt of calcium that should be consumed daily is around 900 mg give or take 100 or so. most americans fall short of that. an extra glass of milk can fill the void. calcium may even lower the risk of high blood pressure, coronary heart disease, stroke, and type 2 diabetes. calcium is also the number one mineral that, on average, we lack in our diet daily. what can fix that? milk. calcium deficiency can lead to hypertension(high blood pressure). what can fix that? milk. i could go on for hours man. if u want more examples ill keep going. and dont say "oh, u can just take a multi vitamin or a calcium pill". calcium pills are mainly for ppl who are lactose intolerant.(cant drink milk because they are allergic to lactose, the sugar in milk) or for ppl who need more. but for the average joe, milk is what u need for many things in the body
02-25-2010, 11:07 PM
02-25-2010, 11:14 PM
02-25-2010, 11:16 PM
you do not want people to come in here who cannot drink milk or have celiac or UC, to think they cant bulk without it.
your making it sound like a staple when it is not
02-25-2010, 11:42 PM
IT IS A STAPLE FOR THOSE WHO CAN DRINK IT
This thread is becoming obnoxious
02-25-2010, 11:56 PM
but there are 2 kinds of allergys,
one to the proteins in milk bc it provides so many and another to the lactose,
Not ideal for babies,
a QUICK google scholar search gives me 3-5 pages of how cows milk may affect the developing child,
goats milk, help milk, almond milk, rice milk, All alternatives for people bulking who cannot have cows milk.
they all serve purpose and if you need the calories you can get them various ways.
for some its milk,
others its something else
Ill really suggest to all the guys who highly reccommended the whole milk, to try to go without it for 1 month, and get those added calories from walnuts, macadamia nuts, and almonds
See how you like it, if its about calories thats where its at.
02-26-2010, 12:04 AM
your taking the baby comment way to serious and you keep talking about allergies. we do NOT have allergies to milk. we also eat almonds and other nuts but we also drink whole milk so were getting even more calories than just eating the nuts. you dont understand, you dont get it, you keep bringing up unrelavant things about babies and allergies. we are getting more calories from drinking milk IN ADDITION TO OUR DIETS.
i actually cannot believe i am having this discussion. this is so elementary and basic. am i awake, is this a dream or am i really being told to take milk out of my diet. im sorry but thats just idiotic
02-26-2010, 12:07 AM
also, if thats you in your avatar then my point is proven by our physiques. mine with milk, yours without. i dont want to turn this into an attack at you personally i havent looked like that since middle school.
02-26-2010, 12:08 AM
theres no argueing that either
02-26-2010, 12:10 AM
02-26-2010, 12:17 AM
02-26-2010, 12:21 AM
and yes i did say take milk out of your diet, watch how your physique changes
whatever im really over this, after the arguement started , i kept posting bc i felt it was funny, and you kept getting more annoyed and mad,
then made personal attacks.... like i said idc ,do what you want with your 21% bodyfat,
02-26-2010, 12:34 AM
i see you changed your pic, not for the better i might add.
it wasnt an attack at you, it was a comparisson. you can call me fat all you want if it makes you feel better. out of my 80 pound gain, 30 of it was solid muslce, went from 170 to 250, 250 at 21%=190 lbm, 202.5 at 6 % and solid i might add when im done. milk, milk, milk, thank you milk.
02-26-2010, 12:36 AM
did i say i love milk?
thank you milk, you and your milk fats have done so much for me. ever since i brought you home in your gallon sized jug i new it was love at first sight.
this is stupid. note to everyone, drink your milk
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