i want to get really big but be cut at same time any reccomendations?
07-28-2009 04:11 PM
07-28-2009 04:19 PM
07-28-2009 04:26 PM
well im eating 3 meals of chicken per day and 2-3 shakes 1 in morn and after gym and bed still to be fair im finding growth process slow considering im injecting really want results! lol plus dont eat fish lol
07-28-2009 04:52 PM
Get really big... THEN .. get really cut. Hopefully if you got big enough you will end up both big AND cut. Amazing isn't it.
07-28-2009 05:22 PM
07-28-2009 05:24 PM
07-28-2009 05:30 PM
Two more words....
Cabergoline and Arimidex
07-28-2009 05:34 PM
Alot of more words.. Why mess around w/Tren when there is Test with much less sides and more results? And more words.. at 5'7 180 and wanting to lose fat he most likely is not anywhere near his genetic potential which juicing now will end up hurting him in the long run. Everyone wants a quick-fix and to take the easy way out these days.
07-28-2009 05:38 PM
More words to add to the party... I'm also not guessing someone who actually takes BCAA TABS knows what Cabergoline is and the way to go about getting and using it.
07-28-2009 05:48 PM
First, plasma levels dont reach peak until week 3-4 with test e. So dont expect any supernatural changes just yet. Also, your not eating enough calories to gain with test e. i am not very familiar with Sus, but hear enough people talk about it and nothing but good things to say. Second, testosterone has a natural fat burning capability, so you will lose fat while gaining on gear. The exception to this rule is natural bodybuilding. You are either gaining, cutting or trying to maintain. Sorry to say that science has shown time and again that to gain a lot of lean mass, while trying to cut up is just not physiologically possible. The metabolism just doesnt work that way. Study the Krebs cycle of metabolism and it will help you understand a little more on how the body burns energy and fat. as far as getting big. eat, eat and then go eat some more. lift heavy, one body part a week, 5 days week is best while on cycle. stick to your compound movements and maintain a log. I know it sucks and its a pain, but you will see better whether the cycle is working for you or you need to add anything. On average, and i am really generalizing here, you should go up 20lbs a week in almost every exercise, if not more. My bench went from 235 on incline to 315 for 6 in 1 1/2 months. results will vary...hahaha. but seriously, with the added test your recovery time is down and your strength is going to go up. You just need to capitalize on the gear and work your ass off. the other thing i want to stress is sleep. minumum 6 hours, and i mean minimum. also add in some glutamine to your bedtime shake. 15-20gms should do it. and since test helps nitrogen retention, go buy some AKG poweder and supplement that in the morning when you wake up3-5 gms and then later on in the day 3-5 gms. keep the nitrogen high while in cycle and you will see results like you would not believe. hope this helped.
Last edited by medicone; 07-28-2009 at 05:51 PM.
Reason: forgot something rather important
07-28-2009 05:51 PM
I also forgot the most important question of all. what are you doing for PCT, post cycle therapy. If you dont have it, well you better tell us now so we can direct you on what to do, otherwise all your efforts are for ****.
07-28-2009 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by medicone
good post. rite on the money
08-02-2009 06:26 PM
yup yup get about 20 lbs above the weight you want to be than cut down after so you'll be nutz!
Originally Posted by h0other
08-02-2009 06:36 PM
Originally Posted by h0other
Test gives more results than Tren? In which parallel universe would this occur?,
Tren, for one, is 4 times as anabolic as test.
Yes, you wouldnt want to run Tren without Test...But to say Test is "Better" for straight up lean mass, is a joke. I ate all day long, even fast food, and still lost fat while simultaneously growing muscularly. Try that on a test only cycle lol. You'd be rocking a 40 inch waist in no time.
The great thing about tren is it partitions a large portions of your cals into muscle development.
Sides can be controlled with a moderate dose.
Put it like this noob, if God was on Gear he'd run Tren.
Do you even workout?
08-02-2009 11:02 PM
hahah great line
Originally Posted by Richard Gears
08-03-2009 04:41 AM
Sure do, am natural and most likely am bigger and stronger than you. Where are your pics Captain Juice-a-thon? Do you honestly think my calling people you dont know "Noobs" you seem bigger? You have a picture and a obvious obsession of a guy that is not you .. Gay much? Now go ahead and be the keyboard warrior you are and respond with an assortment of noobie and comments and cutdowns while I see no proof of anything.
Have a good one.
08-03-2009 05:17 AM
cant do both
do one or the other.
The human body just doesnt work like that
The conditions to do one succesfully, usually rules out the other
This game of ours is a marathon, not a sprint
Choose one the focus 100%, when goals are reached switch to doing the other 100%
08-06-2009 12:52 AM
Originally Posted by h0other
edit : a 59 y/o guy calling someone a noob is funny.
i couldnt imagine my dad calling someone a noob in real life.
For me, the action IS the juice.
08-02-2011 08:42 PM
If you have the money, take anavar @ 80mg/day. You'll lose that fat around the waiste, get stronger, and because of the 500mg/test --> you'll also get larger. Can't say it all will be solid gains tho, some water weight is to be expected.
This is probably the best way to lose the fat around the belly while not dealing with or worry about the possibility of sides like no sex drive, night sweats, cold shakes, etc. Otherwise you can take Tren-e with the test, around 300mg/week and you'll be fine. Drop the Tren two weeks before the test to let it clear otherwise you might end up crashing after everything clears.
08-03-2011 02:33 PM
EAT big now, cut in march. Yourn not gonna grow huge unless you eat xtra cals
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