Pre-contest diet, protein shakes??
- 09-06-2010, 01:19 PM
Pre-contest diet, protein shakes??
I've been searching and searching for a good pre-contest diet and am a bit confused. Almost every single one has 2-3 protein shakes a day. I think this is fine except when you get close to the contest like 4-5 weeks out. I have heard seasoned bodybuilders over the years tell me you need to cut those shakes out to really get shredded and just do whole foods. Do you guys agree? How many drink protein shakes right up until the contest?
- 09-28-2010, 06:58 AM
when it got closer I would try to eat more whole foods, but a good whey isolate is good to have around. I especially like using it pre and post workout. ISOFLEX is best IMO. You can also make it as a pudding for a quick snack, and craving reducer. Just try to get real foods in, because its hard to fight the hunger pains with just shakes.
04-23-2011, 09:11 PM
04-23-2011, 09:25 PM
Why? or why not? I see no problem with a high quality whey isolate. Some of us have a hard time stopping work to eat a meal. I am in the navy and that worked for me. We dont always work at a desk. I would have a whey isolate shake with natural peanut butter.
04-23-2011, 09:26 PM
04-23-2011, 10:08 PM
04-24-2011, 07:53 PM
For the weekend warrior trying to stay in good shape sure 2-3 shakes per day. Actually come to think of it by old roommate was a Natl level bb who lived on shakes so now I am contradicting my above comment.
I guess to each their own. I get small on shakes personally.
04-24-2011, 08:26 PM
Oh no doubt whole food is best. I agree. Im just speaking in real life terms. Not everyone can be a Hany Rambod client and live by his terms nutritionally. I will be doing whole foods for my next prep except pre and post training. 6 whole food meals and one shake post workout. Pre will be PWO and BCAA etc.
04-24-2011, 10:23 PM
04-24-2011, 10:30 PM
I agree. Of course he has a niche and an eye for these things. I am sure his nutritional knowledge is top notch too. However, I can study my own body and how it reacts to food too. Dennis wolf has done great with no GURU coaching him. I do sometimes need the motivation a trainer can bring.
04-28-2011, 10:09 AM
What bodyfat percentage would one be at when they need to cut shakes to loose fat? Would it be more beneficial for me, (Im cutting right now) to have a tub of low fat cottage cheese before bed instead of a shake?
04-28-2011, 10:11 AM
04-29-2011, 01:15 AM
04-29-2011, 01:25 AM
I would eat cottage cheese with splenda and cinnamon all the time prepping for my last show, and it didnt hurt my conditioning at all. I understand this doesnt hold true for everyone, but it worked for me.
04-29-2011, 02:01 AM
04-29-2011, 07:19 AM
Along with Rosies Constant nuggets of truth, it was a welcome difference in taste and texture from my usual chicken, veggies, or lean steak or my breakfasts I had to rewarm up in the microwave and eat at work. My body tolerates it well. Wow, I am so starving rightnow. My last meal on the ship is coming up. Gotta go.
04-29-2011, 03:49 PM
Serious Nutrition Solutions rep
04-30-2011, 10:54 AM
04-30-2011, 11:06 AM
04-30-2011, 11:14 AM
Not trying to be a **** here...my only point was that whole food proteins (lean meats, egg whites) are far superior to protein shakes (and now cottage cheese as mentioned above).
Then again, I don't know what your goals are, or anyone's for that matter. If the goal is to be as huge and lean as humanly possible there is no room for shakes/cottage cheese. For the novice bodybuilder trying to win a local show perhaps you can get away with these things. This is all just my .02 after working with a couple different IFBB pro's.
04-30-2011, 01:35 PM
04-30-2011, 01:54 PM
04-30-2011, 04:50 PM
Serious Nutrition Solutions rep
04-30-2011, 09:53 PM
Ok, but Dennis went back to working with NO ONE. Proof that Gurus CAN mess you up.
Kai greenes coach screwed him up by trying something different. anyway,
Their are other things at play besides nutrition competing to win a pro card or pro show.
and Layne Norton is who Layne is. He has a PHD pretty much, and is a huge voice in natural bodybuilding.
04-30-2011, 09:59 PM
Help me understand what is "not true?" Because the natural pro you worked out with drinks shakes? Does that discredit two different current IFBB pro's who coached me that whole foods were superior to shakes? No. If shakes work for you and Layne natural then great. For me, there is no way I would be able to bring enough mass onstage to do damage in a show by drinking shakes leading up to the show.
"Time after time, I have noted that the more shakes a bodybuilder drinks as opposed to consuming more whole-food meals, the flatter and softer his muscles appear to be. Every time I have an athlete stop drinking shakes and eat all whole food, itís never long before he takes on a fuller and harder appearance."-Hany Rambod, Coach to Jay Cutler and Phil Heath, etc etc.
"A bodybuilder relying on multiple shakes per day in place of whole food will have a very different physique from one who eats more whole food. The natural digestion process is important and you can only get that with whole foods. Protein powders are broken down so much that they don't digest and get absorbed like food. It is better to add specific amino acid supplements to a meal than to replace a meal with a shake. However, if you are in a bind in the offseason, an occasional shake is fine and is far better than missing a meal."-Hany Rambod, that is coach to the current IFBB Mr. Olympia..
"There is no substitute for whole food. However, we don't live in a perfect world and because of work or family obligations, we may end up missing meals, which is an absolute no-no. In such situations, I allow shakes to be used. But aside from that, when you are dieting, would you rather have a protein shake made with water or a grilled chicken breast and sweet potato?"-Oscar Ardon, coach to many elite IFBB pro's (Orville Burke, Kai Greene)
(Myth)#1 Powders are better than food. Protein powders are easy to absorb, and absorption is an important part of the mass-building process. However, whole-food animal sources of protein, such as eggs, dairy, fowl, red meat and fish, have complete, though somewhat different, amino-acid profiles. Some are higher in certain amino acids than others, and this may be a reason why bodybuilders like Jay Cutler claim that serious mass canít be built without red meat. Cutler tells FLEX, ďWhen I exclude red meat, I canít add the mass and grow like I do when I eat it daily and sometimes twice daily.Ē Is it the iron, B vitamins or creatine in the meat? Maybe. Itís also likely that the unique amino-acid combinations allow greater protein synthesis. For optimal mass gains, donít succumb to living mainly on powders. Choose a wide variety of foods and include powders before and after workouts, and at times when convenience is essential. The variable amino-acid concentrations among different foods may exert unique effects on you that result in better growth, as opposed to sticking with one or two protein foods or a couple of foods and a protein powder.-Chris Aceto, trainer of multiple IFBB pro's
Sure, there are articles from Neil Hill and George Farah saying shakes are ok, but my .02 was the for ME, trying to become an NPC Superheavyweight at the national level, there is no way I can do that using shakes. Not much to disagree with here...Bodybuilding is individual, what works for you works for you...just my .02
Also, I am assuming everyone who says whole food diets are inferior to shakes has actually tried both, and not just speculating?
04-30-2011, 10:01 PM
04-30-2011, 10:13 PM
I'm about to start a pre contest diet (first show/natural). I plan on cutting out all shakes and my reason being - up until 3-4 months ago I would drink 3 shakes a day breakfast, post workout and one before bed. Due to insane protein prices I switch to 4 whole eggs 4oz meat for breakfast and 4-5 eggs and 1 and 1/2 cups cottage cheese before bed. I noticed with in a week I was thicker, fuller and stronger. I still drink WPI post workout but that's only because I do cardio and tan after weights, other wise I would run home and eat some steak and eggs. just my experience. I do not know the science about food and amino acids but I would choose food over protein shakes any day.
04-30-2011, 11:05 PM
I also choose whole food over shakes. I am deployed on a ship, and room is an issue. I eat 4 food meals a day and 2 shakes. I am off season obviously and when I return to land will return to more cleaner whole food meals. I will eat 4-5 whole food meals and 1 shake or 2 pre and post training which will be WPI for the sake of quick absorption.
I do not disagree with you Gman, and am not trying to argue. I am just stating they have their place ie.. convienence and when in a bind. I cant wait to eat what a better diet, and have a real gym to go to. I also wish i could hit up some pharmacies in Thailand lol, but there is too much risk being navy and all. Hey growth, what is the price range of working with a pro?
04-30-2011, 11:18 PM
Hey cooky you like canned chicken? I know you said room Is an issue. I don't know how the navy gets mail to you sailers or if they even do but if you ever wanted me to send you a box of canned goods just holler lol
04-30-2011, 11:24 PM
Dude, that would be a huge blessing. Canned Chicken or Canned tune in olive oil would be so awesome.
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