Pre-contest diet, protein shakes??

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Cooky32 View Post
    Ok, but Dennis went back to working with NO ONE. Proof that Gurus CAN mess you up.
    Kai greenes coach screwed him up by trying something different. anyway,
    Their are other things at play besides nutrition competing to win a pro card or pro show.

    and Layne Norton is who Layne is. He has a PHD pretty much, and is a huge voice in natural bodybuilding.
    and thats my bad...I didn't know we were talking about natural athletes..


  2. I'm about to start a pre contest diet (first show/natural). I plan on cutting out all shakes and my reason being - up until 3-4 months ago I would drink 3 shakes a day breakfast, post workout and one before bed. Due to insane protein prices I switch to 4 whole eggs 4oz meat for breakfast and 4-5 eggs and 1 and 1/2 cups cottage cheese before bed. I noticed with in a week I was thicker, fuller and stronger. I still drink WPI post workout but that's only because I do cardio and tan after weights, other wise I would run home and eat some steak and eggs. just my experience. I do not know the science about food and amino acids but I would choose food over protein shakes any day.

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  3. I also choose whole food over shakes. I am deployed on a ship, and room is an issue. I eat 4 food meals a day and 2 shakes. I am off season obviously and when I return to land will return to more cleaner whole food meals. I will eat 4-5 whole food meals and 1 shake or 2 pre and post training which will be WPI for the sake of quick absorption.
    I do not disagree with you Gman, and am not trying to argue. I am just stating they have their place ie.. convienence and when in a bind. I cant wait to eat what a better diet, and have a real gym to go to. I also wish i could hit up some pharmacies in Thailand lol, but there is too much risk being navy and all. Hey growth, what is the price range of working with a pro?

  4. Hey cooky you like canned chicken? I know you said room Is an issue. I don't know how the navy gets mail to you sailers or if they even do but if you ever wanted me to send you a box of canned goods just holler lol


  5. Dude, that would be a huge blessing. Canned Chicken or Canned tune in olive oil would be so awesome.

    USS HOWARD DDG 83 ER DIV
    FPO AP 96667-1274

    I will return the favor any way I can.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Cooky32 View Post
    Dude, that would be a huge blessing. Canned Chicken or Canned tune in olive oil would be so awesome.

    USS HOWARD DDG 83 ER DIV
    FPO AP 96667-1274

    I will return the favor any way I can.
    Can you e mail that to me - [email protected] Next time I'm at sam's club (I go twice a week) I'll get a good amount for u. I keep canned chicken / tuna in my squad and locker at work lol I hate missing a meal.


  7. The e mail address isnt working. Its sending i back to me.

  8. Got it. Thanks so much.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Cooky32 View Post
    I also choose whole food over shakes. I am deployed on a ship, and room is an issue. I eat 4 food meals a day and 2 shakes. I am off season obviously and when I return to land will return to more cleaner whole food meals. I will eat 4-5 whole food meals and 1 shake or 2 pre and post training which will be WPI for the sake of quick absorption.
    I do not disagree with you Gman, and am not trying to argue. I am just stating they have their place ie.. convienence and when in a bind. I cant wait to eat what a better diet, and have a real gym to go to. I also wish i could hit up some pharmacies in Thailand lol, but there is too much risk being navy and all. Hey growth, what is the price range of working with a pro?
    Thank you for your service. It is much appreciated. Nothing taken as argumentative...I think this has been a healthy discussion.

    The first pro (who won his ifbb pro card within the last few years), who is local, charges most everyone only $50/session, and requires a weekly visit precontest. The guy I am working with now lets me pay him as I can, generally $500 every coupld months.

    To work with Hany--plan on spending between $5k-$8k. George Farah use to be a little more than half that. Down in your neck of the woods the best bang for the buck would probably be Charles Glass in Venice. I think Glass is less than a couple thousand for a complete prep. I love the Flex wheeler/Chris Cormier look he helped produce. Come to think of it in SoCal you have some of the best to pick from lol.

  10. Thanks so much for the valuable info.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Cooky32 View Post
    I agree. Of course he has a niche and an eye for these things. I am sure his nutritional knowledge is top notch too. However, I can study my own body and how it reacts to food too. Dennis wolf has done great with no GURU coaching him. I do sometimes need the motivation a trainer can bring.
    Dennis Wolf looks the best I've ever seen him this year at the Arnold and he does his own diet. But yeah it helps to have that third eye and motivation.

    Back to the question: No shakes. Maybe intra/post workout to minimize catabolism but never as a meal. whole foods. IF you must have a shake for whatever reason then it's better than not getting in any nutrition but make it a quality whey isolate. I use Isopure.
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  12. Quote Originally Posted by GrowthMan1 View Post
    Natural...what is that?
    LOL. It's a fallacy.
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  13. I would not use ISOPURE. They use a less effective way to filter the protein. ION EXCHANGE is not as effective as COLD CROSS FLOW MICROFILTERING. It gives you more bio availability of the protein. I would use ISOFLEX, By ALLMAX, or Gaspari INTRAPRO, NOW FOODS Isolate, SPECIES ISOLYZE, to name a few great ones. ISOFLEX is my favorite.

  14. Allow me to first say, at this point, I hate Isopure. I've noticed exactly what you're talking about with less effective filtration. I'm interested in Isolyze. Thanks for the info on that too! Really didn't know much about the process.
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  15. Just trying to help bro.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Cooky32 View Post
    I would not use ISOPURE. They use a less effective way to filter the protein. ION EXCHANGE is not as effective as COLD CROSS FLOW MICROFILTERING. It gives you more bio availability of the protein. I would use ISOFLEX, By ALLMAX, or Gaspari INTRAPRO, NOW FOODS Isolate, SPECIES ISOLYZE, to name a few great ones. ISOFLEX is my favorite.
    Syntrax Nectar all the way baby.. not sure what kind of filtration their "Promina Whey Isloate" goes through but their nutritional profile and taste is second to none. Its like cool-ade and mixes completely clear.

  17. Navy, Syntrax is another good one. Youre right. Its delicious. I didnt think of all of them off the top of my head earlier. Im on deployment rightnow. I should order some nectar. Yum. Good stuff.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Cooky32 View Post
    Navy, Syntrax is another good one. Youre right. Its delicious. I didnt think of all of them off the top of my head earlier. Im on deployment rightnow. I should order some nectar. Yum. Good stuff.
    Yeah, i just got 2 tubs of their twisted cherry last unrep.. I ordered 3 of their caesin too, and are exicted to try them.

    As far as contest prep, i have done a couple shows and have always been told to lay off the shakes. As far as personal experience, i tend to notice a little water retention from caesin, not so much isolates.. i guess it could depend on the brand/additives as well.

  19. True. I will minimize how many shakes i have next show. I will be on shore duty which will really help. I will try that one. Take care bro.

  20. a gram of protein from chicken yields 4 calories. a gram of protein from a shake yields 4 calories. Both break down into polypeptide chains of amino acids.
    Serious Nutrition Solutions rep

  21. True, but there will always be the debate. You have the GURUS who say no to shakes, and have a self proclaimed IMO trained expert eye that says My client looks better because I fed him this diet etc. and you have those who can get away with shakes in their diet. I believe Genetics, and diet, and training regimen and rest etc have more to do with it than anything. I will try 4-5 whole food meals this time and one shake for post workout, and see how that goes for next years show. Otherwise the debate goes on....

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Are you serious?! Doctor Layne Norton - only one of the greatest natural Pro bodybuilders ever and a man who definitely knows what he's talking about!

    ~Rosie~
    i wouldnt say one of the greatest. but his phd and writing reputation adds his "bodybuilding mystique"

  23. He is the authourity on natural bodybuilding and bodybuilding nutrition. He has done powerlifting and bodybuilding and competed successfully in both. I would listen to him.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Cooky32 View Post
    He is the authourity on natural bodybuilding and bodybuilding nutrition. He has done powerlifting and bodybuilding and competed successfully in both. I would listen to him.
    lol he just made pro debut end of last year with 1 one top 3placing and hes already the authortiy of natural bbing? (not hating on layne)
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