SUPPLEMENT SUGGESTION THREAD

[brundel]

As stated above, this thread is designated for you guys to tell us what supplements you think are worth us developing.

Whats missing from the current market as a whole?

WHat would you like to see in our lineup.

[southsideguy]

Something that will allow me to stay ON forever with no shutdown!!!!!!!!!

That or a woman that doesn't nag all the time....(worry about where I'm going, why I didn't call, where have I been all day, yadayadayada)

[brundel]

They make something that allows you to stay on forever and not worry about shutdown.
Its called testosterone. You just dont stop.
I have been on for almost 6 years now and I feel fantastic.

Going on hormone replacement therapy was a great decision for me. May be for you as well depending on age and some other factors.

as for the woman.......
get yourself a dog or a cat cause all that ^^^^^ aint ever gonna happen.

[southsideguy]

How about adding some joint lubricant to that Formeron. That stuff is too potent bro (but I like it)

[brundel]

at least you know its working.
Considering the current state of things we will not likely alter FOrmeron.

[southsideguy]

Hopefully it won't pass...

[Cordeen]

Any possibilities of a myostatin product that out right delivers?

Very efficient and pure, unmatched delivery, and effectively dosed ecdysterone product with a reasonable price ....key being optimal dosage.

[brundel]

Any possibilities of a myostatin product that out right delivers?

Very efficient and pure, unmatched delivery, and effectively dosed ecdysterone product with a reasonable price ....key being optimal dosage.

Here is the thing.....
Currently there is a proposed bill in process that will allow ANYTHING marketed for muscle gain to be deemed a steroid at random and for you to be prosecuted for possessing it and us for selling it.
Unless a herbal option appears a mystatin inhibitor is not likely from anyone ever as a dietary supp.

THe company who took the risk to make this would be risking a 2.8 million dollar fine.

[Spaniard]

Here is the thing.....
Currently there is a proposed bill in process that will allow ANYTHING marketed for muscle gain to be deemed a steroid at random and for you to be prosecuted for possessing it and us for selling it.
Unless a herbal option appears a mystatin inhibitor is not likely from anyone ever as a dietary supp.

THe company who took the risk to make this would be risking a 2.8 million dollar fine.

I thought I read that claims have to be made to give "steroid type" gains. Not just a muscle builder...

[brundel]

The word steroid is not used. It states that if its marketed to build muscle or works in a manner in any way similar to testosterone it can be added to the list. For example d aspartic acid: with a concurrent increase in testosterone and growth hormone a user can expect some muscle growth and fat loss. Its also marketed as a testosterone booster. So it gets whacked.

[Spaniard]

The word steroid is not used. It states that if its marketed to build muscle or works in a manner in any way similar to testosterone it can be added to the list. For example d aspartic acid: with a concurrent increase in testosterone and growth hormone a user can expect some muscle growth and fat loss. Its also marketed as a testosterone booster. So it gets whacked.

Its bull **** man. Wasted ****ing resources... The government is so backwards.

[brundel]

It really is terrible.
In reality I can understand some government of the sales of certain supplements.
I could see regulations on manufacturing so materials needed to be a certain purity.
I could understand age restrictions and required labeling stating the risks of use.
Just lumping everything they can find together and making it illegal is plain stupid.
There are items listed on the ban that dont even exist....they just copied everything they found on the internet and banned it.
Aromatase inhibitors like 6oxo and formestane are on there and they are not anabolic steroids at all.

[pyrobatt]

Yohimbine plus raspberry keytones plus olive leaf extract plus t2 plus caffeine (100 to 150. Keep the doses moderate please) plus alcar in one pill or 2 please

[brundel]

We have been considering a thermogenic/ Fat burner.

Please let us know what you would like to see out of one. What ingredients and why.

t2 makes sense although some would prefer to not use thyroid meds.
A heavy stim with some fat burners might be awesome.

[pyrobatt]

Muscle builder
Name?ursoalpha?
Ursolic acid with all the studies on ursolic coming out I think it speaks for its self. Although please dose appropriately
Daa a little increase in free test and lh never hurt building muscles
And the erase AI.I'm in my phone but you know the one.its amazing.

[pyrobatt]

We have been considering a thermogenic/ Fat burner.

Please let us know what you would like to see out of one. What ingredients and why.

t2 makes sense although some would prefer to not use thyroid meds.
A heavy stim with some fat burners might be awesome.

Then take out t2 and leave in the olive leaf. It has been shown to increase t3.
Yohimbine is in because its a beta antagonist and vasodialator.
Caffeine can be replaced if you like but the energy has to be there in a fat burner in my opinion.
Alcar is a well studied fat burner.
Raspberry keytones seem to be getting a lot of buzz. They have fat burning properties but to be honest they will boost sales.

[brundel]

I have been going back and forth about the T2 for 6 months. I have 40000 x 300mgc sitting on my shelf in the lab currently.
I also have ALL of the ingredients you mentioned except ursolic.
I have kilos of ras ketone and olive leaf. I was perhaps planning on a fat burner and a PWO. I have some bomb vinpocetine as well for the PWO.
You can literally see a difference after a bout 20 min. All the veins stand up. Its amazing.

[brundel]

I have synephrine and caffeine on hand which will be enough for energy imo but I can tinker with other stims as well.

[pyrobatt]

I have synephrine and caffeine on hand which will be enough for energy imo but I can tinker with other stims as well.

alpha-methylphenethylamine haha!
But in all seriousness I do have a profile Ive been working with.

caffeine
citrulline malate
agmatine
Creatine monohydrate
beta alanine(you can leave out as I know people complain)
Ornathine Ketogluterate (OKG)
b12
niacin
betaine hcl
alcar
and nitrates(maybe even arginine nitrate)
most of these have to do with endurance.You could take out the caffeine and go the non stim route aswell!

[brundel]

This is actually a nice blend^^.
I like beta alanine. If everything else is actually in 1 serving in the proper dose you can use it. This way people dont need to take 3 scoops and get itchy.
Beta alanine is in my personal mix and I could add or take anything out I wish.

One potential issue is this.
If we add all the good ingredients at the proper doses itll take like 20g a scoop and the supp will have to be expensive.

Would you rather have a high caliber PWO, with all the good stuff at proper doses but it costs a little more....

or

a proprietary blend like most companies where for 100% certain some of the ingredients are not included in enough quantities but its cheap.