- 03-01-2014, 04:01 PM
- 03-01-2014, 04:14 PM
Ai cycle support 2 scoops a day am and pm plus Greens every day.http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/262422-mst-ragnorok-elite.html Mst Ragnorok Elite log
- 03-01-2014, 04:25 PM
03-01-2014, 04:46 PM
The SERM is a natural compound that could be used by cancer patients not wanting to use synthetic drugs.
It is comparable to nolvadex in strength and action. It works on the same receptors.
We have also modified it to improve absorption. It has been sold as pct product before, however, dose was 10x too low.
Its not cheap.
Its hard to make/obtain.
It works VERY well.
This is all Ill say for now.
03-01-2014, 04:49 PM
03-01-2014, 04:56 PM
My guess is that the "natural SERM" is "CAPE" - bee propolis! Am I right?
Lol, I'm just bored and excited...
03-01-2014, 06:58 PM
But good guess.
Once we get closer Ill start posting studies as well as real work examples from cancer patients.
I just know that many companies are coat tail riders. They wait for the next new thing then copy it and try to undercut.
We are not the first with this stuff just the first to use realistic doses.
03-02-2014, 05:15 AM
For me white is also more positive color than black but that's just me.
I like labels and color chosen for Abyss bottles - once again green color makes me feel more positive than black or gray so any combination of white and green over gray on black wins for me.
But OK this are just insignificant things - for me I'd prefer you stay with current white bottles. For labels and color also don't care that much as long as product works.
I think better focus on catchy name - similar name Tauro Test already on the market.
You could either just call it TongkatBoron which would come up in many searches when people want to buy one or both products and type this into Google search or on website of a merchant. You know many times people don't remember a name of a product then simply enter as search tongkat or tongkat boron.
If you do want a name not reveling full name of both ingredients few names that pops out in my head are:
- AliBoron, BorAli, AliBor, BoronAli, LongBoron...
Still I like the most TongkatBoron cause everybody knows right away what the product is all about and it will pop out in searches to people wanting to buy a product containing one or both of these ingredients.
As a bonus tip - check your PM
03-02-2014, 05:19 AM
03-02-2014, 02:45 PM
I think you make good points regarding color etc.
I do think the labels need rebranding though. Problem is I do EVERYTHING myself and Im stretched a bit thin. Also I dont trust anyone to do it for me so there is a problem there lol. Ill keep at it.
Also a quick update. Release date for the tongkat boron is pushed back about 10 days beyond previous estimates but here is why.
Instead of me making small batches Im having a few thousand made. Currently we have been running into serious supply issues caused by a giant increase in demand. This is a good problem but one I need to address. So...I need to ensure we have stock.
We have 0 prolactrone in stock currently which = losing money.
At any rate. Soon....maybe 10 days-14 days Ill have plenty of the tongkat boron. We are using boron citrate. Well absorbed version.
03-02-2014, 02:54 PM
03-02-2014, 02:55 PM
6 months after Formeron came out Formasurge came out. Now...we didnt invent transdermal formestane but...the guys behind that were also the owners of our second largest formeron distributor. I used to talk to him everyday and hed ask questions about transdermals and formulations. I thought it was friendly conversation but it turns out to be otherwise. 100% he followed my example. Period. Thankfully I didnt share transdermal carrier formulations.
I work hard to ensure we have products that are not copies of other companies stuff and that our products are relatively innovative. It sucks when people blatantly re create our stuff. BUt....in this industry its gonna happen.
I have learned to keep secrets to myself. Hence not talking about the SERM or the anabolic. They exist. I just cant say anything publicly or every coat tail rider will have it in a bottle and undercutting my price before I blink my eyes.
03-02-2014, 02:55 PM
03-02-2014, 02:56 PM
03-02-2014, 03:24 PM
03-02-2014, 03:29 PM
Hes still in training though. Its gonna take about a month to get him up to speed on certain processes but hes a fast learner. An old college buddy.
INtelligent and dedicated.
Also I can pay him in trident layers.
03-02-2014, 07:33 PM
03-02-2014, 07:39 PM
We will need a picture of the participants drivers license and a signed waiver with the signatures matching.
Along with some other pre reqs.
This is to protect us but also to help us validate results.
We want to make sure EVERY single person who starts the study completes it along with the required measurements.
Ill post a thread about it after I feed this stuff to my friends.
03-02-2014, 07:45 PM
I'll keep my eyes peeled.
Check out my LG Bulk Kit log.
03-02-2014, 08:29 PM
Ill post it here so guys who are always in our forums can have a chance to be a part of it.
Unfortunately participants wont know if they are getting the active or control.
03-02-2014, 10:06 PM
03-03-2014, 12:36 AM
Itll be good in the end. Even control guys will be able to be a part of the study.
And it will give anyone who wants to know an open book on exactly how we ran our testing. This way when someone says " oh well it doesnt do this or that or how do you know" I just link the trials thread.
Anyone considering the product can see exactly how it worked in a number of people, compared to each other and compared to a control group.
The down side is...if it doesnt work I spent alot of money on nothing lol......but thats the nature of the game I suppose.
Wont be the first time.
Im pretty confident in this stuff though.
03-03-2014, 02:37 AM
I had a hand written cartoon type of video made by a guy from fiverr for $5 with any text and drawings plus music in HD quality - and this video got over 20,000 views. Best $5 spent on advertising my website and a service offered on that website.
I like how you treat your clients and know stuff about new ingredient but I think you could use a guy that knows stuff about online marketing and getting social momentum going for your products at Youtube, Facebook, Twitter...
I'm happy you got TongkatBoron.com - I didn't post it here in this public thread cause there was a chance somebody would register this domain before you.
It's all about good karma - you do good things for people so this is my small contribution to help you in making more money with future products (I'm sure many of us could benefit).
03-03-2014, 01:35 PM
Understand that BLR is pretty much just me. I designed the products, labels, website..I do all the marketing and shipping and ever FN thing there is.
At this point Im overwhelmed. I do have significant business experience as I used to work for a multibillion dollar corp leading a R&D branch.
At some point we will work on more vigorous marketing but Formeron is sort of grey area and I dont want to draw too much attention.
Part of the reason guys get whacked by the F D A (think primordial) is because they are too loud. PP for example was advertising "leading the steroid revolution" on their website and banners all over the net. Its like putting a giant target on yourself.
I had a friend offer to run affiliate marketing and other things for us but this type of advertising is expensive.
Affiliates often want 50-70%. At this % they would have to increase sales by 500 bottles a day to even be consistent with current sales.
So for now Ill likely continue as things are with regards to marketing.
Eventually..Formeron will go away and we will begin aggressive marketing in magazines and social media. For now...in order to be able to continue offering formeron I need to fly under the radar.
Im working hard to develop new products though that will fill the void. 3 that you guys know of currently in R&D phases.
I have also been testing everything I can find AI wise just in case Formestane gets banned. You would be surprised....most of the known legal AI's are pretty much inert. The strongest we tested achieved 30% aromatase inhibition at super high doses...far above what could be cost effective. This is disheartening.
But Ill keep throwing money and time at it.
Im also open to suggestions. Any person who believes they know everything is an idiot.
There are over a hundred thousand members on this forum alone. Its HIGHLY possible one or more have spent some time looking into herbal or chemical AI's and might have suggestions. Ill take em. via PM.
Generally speaking our goal is to produce products that fill existing voids.
We created a fat burner....honestly its one of the best in its class. It doesnt sell well, partially because I didnt market it much but also because there are so many fat burners out there.
When you look at our other products there are not many competitors. We want to continue to be innovative moving forward.
Id hate nothing more than to be just another supp company with BCAA a fat burner and a PWO....blah.
WOW....whats in this coffee O_O
03-03-2014, 04:43 PM
03-03-2014, 05:00 PM
TBH Incinidrine has a great profile and the only reason I haven't tried it yet myself is that it isn't mentioned much around here.
Stumbled across it while looking at Formeron, which is the most recommended formestane product as far as I can see, and preferred over other brands.
Been following this thread a while because I can see the work that goes into your products and their formulations, Formeron will be a purchase of mine in the near future
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03-03-2014, 05:27 PM
Incinidrine is killer guys! Closest thing to ECA I've ever found in an otc. I even dare say it works better.
03-03-2014, 05:52 PM
Currently we are out of stock on it. Im considering discontinuing it due to lack of sales but again the lack of sales is not because the product is bad its because I just didnt push like I did our others.
Its incredible stuff. I put a ton of solid ingredients at viable doses in there.
03-03-2014, 05:53 PM
03-03-2014, 05:57 PM
03-03-2014, 05:59 PM
Perhaps Ill run another batch and push marketing some more.
03-03-2014, 06:02 PM
This is a buddy of mine who used it for contest prep.
Hes 6'5 245 in these pics.
03-03-2014, 06:03 PM
He used only Incinderine as a fat burner for his prep.
03-03-2014, 06:04 PM
This is one of the initial testers during R&D.
Same deal. Only Incinderine as a fat burner.
This one is crazy.
03-03-2014, 06:11 PM
03-03-2014, 06:19 PM
03-03-2014, 06:22 PM
Oh by the way this run/cut was prepping him for the cover of iron man magazine recently.
Hes my primary guinea pig for all our initial trials. I feed him everything lol.
Hes gonna start the new anabolic tomorrow. lets keep our fingers crossed.
03-03-2014, 06:26 PM
All the raws are en route to the guys who cap our products so it wont be long. Im running 1000 pro and tongkat.
Should hold us for a month or two and plenty of time to start new batches. Normally I order when we are half out...this time it sold faster than I could prepare for.
Formeron is the same. I have like 5 Formeron. But tomorrow Ill have 1000. Sounds like alot.....but itll go in 2 -3 weeks at this pace.
I was gonna discontinue incinderine but...perhaps Ill give it another shot with a heavy marketing push.
I honestly believe its the best out there.
03-03-2014, 06:27 PM
03-03-2014, 06:30 PM
I just ordered enough forskolin for another 300 units.
I think I have everything else at the shop.