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  1. Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    Really? There COR bcaas, are the only bcaas I drink. Haven't tried there protein, but I heard it's excellent...
    Oh yeah their stuff tastes great, don't get me wrong. It's all over priced IMO. I met one of their head guys boasting on how their p6 was the best test booster out there and one ingredient imitated hcg. Then saying before p6 black was out that it was going to be even stronger than anything that's ever been out. Told him in a nice way he was full of it. He said he'd post blood results one day on their website... right.
    Gnc kids sell it cuz it's the only p3 that's not a Gnc product and the PM on the highest capped p6 is insane. Just rubbed me the wrong way.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    No but its in the recent version of the test booster and I sent a 30 day supply to two of the tongkat testers so well see how they like it.
    Free T would likely just be Boron and a high grade nettle. Really thats all we need. I have seen bloods with both those working so..together they will shine.

    Maybe we should do tongkat,boron,nettle, a light AI or SERM.
    Yeah I'd advise you to remove DAA/NDMA since many like me get diarrhea plus now even you see it that it doesn't raise test plus even raise prolactin and estrogen so better the ones that swear by it just keep buying bulk DAA.

    Now when ever I see a DAA containing product I'm not interested in trying no matter the hype around it.

    As I said so far the best stuff that worked for me was anything that raises free test - so far just tested SHBG inhibitors like Tongkat and divanil which worked OK so here we both agree on.

    Boron I'm curious never tried it on it's own - had once a multivitamin caps that contained in daily dose around 1 mg of boron and had nice effect on morning wood and mood just it had 80 other substances inside so not knowing what exactly worked.

    Last summer I did stack of Tongkat + Endosurge + Erase Pro and this was working great for 2 weeks that i was testing.

    Summary - yeah agree with your thinking to make a natty test product with Tongkat, divanil, boron and maybe 25mg of arimistane as a light AI.

    But don't go crazy and add too much AI like Alphamax I see has 75mg of arimistane - that would be too much for most (which is another thing like DAA), that makes me not want to buy such product.

    Or maybe not add any AI since Formeron works so great.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    Yeah I'd advise you to remove DAA/NDMA since many like me get diarrhea plus now even you see it that it doesn't raise test plus even raise prolactin and estrogen so better the ones that swear by it just keep buying bulk DAA.

    Now when ever I see a DAA containing product I'm not interested in trying no matter the hype around it.

    As I said so far the best stuff that worked for me was anything that raises free test - so far just tested SHBG inhibitors like Tongkat and divanil which worked OK so here we both agree on.

    Boron I'm curious never tried it on it's own - had once a multivitamin caps that contained in daily dose around 1 mg of boron and had nice effect on morning wood and mood just it had 80 other substances inside so not knowing what exactly worked.

    Last summer I did stack of Tongkat + Endosurge + Erase Pro and this was working great for 2 weeks that i was testing.

    Summary - yeah agree with your thinking to make a natty test product with Tongkat, divanil, boron and maybe 25mg of arimistane as a light AI.

    But don't go crazy and add too much AI like Alphamax I see has 75mg of arimistane - that would be too much for most (which is another thing like DAA), that makes me not want to buy such product.

    Or maybe not add any AI since Formeron works so great.
    DAA is useless. But so is arimistane.

    If brundel can source a really high quality divanil, boron and tongkat then that is pretty set.

    If needed or anything extra maybe some NMDA.

    Or hey, for a AI, some oral formestane as well

  4. Oral formestane would most likely be useless.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Lhns2 View Post
    Oh yeah their stuff tastes great, don't get me wrong. It's all over priced IMO. I met one of their head guys boasting on how their p6 was the best test booster out there and one ingredient imitated hcg. Then saying before p6 black was out that it was going to be even stronger than anything that's ever been out. Told him in a nice way he was full of it. He said he'd post blood results one day on their website... right. Gnc kids sell it cuz it's the only p3 that's not a Gnc product and the PM on the highest capped p6 is insane. Just rubbed me the wrong way.
    Understand.

    And it's definitely overpriced in retail settings (such as GNC). Online there more reasonable. Either way, I can see why you has a distaste for them.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Ill let you in on a secret....you know how everyone sells nettle root...standardized for divanil....Well there is no divanil in nettle root. None, nada 0.
    Im 100% certain.
    Divanil is a METABOLITE of nettle root. This means your body makes it. Like a prohormone.
    So...everyone out there buying nettle standardized for divanil is being scammed. THe companies that sell that stuff are either ignorant or lies to you and capitalizes on people not knowing otherwise. Either way....steer clear of it.


    Im not saying nettle root is bad...Im saying nettle root has no divanil. Period.

    I have a batch of tongkat we imported ourselves and had specially extracted for us. Its good stuff but we need more time to test it.
    Honestly I wasnt looking at it for test boosting but another property of a specific compound within the plant.

    I take boron all the time. Best supplement in my med cabinet.
    I thought divanil and nettle root don't work?

  7. I am sure Brundel has his studies to back his info on Divanil and nettle root. I have yet to find anything on that though- all the PubMed and other info I found says that it does include 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran compounds, along with +)-neoolivil, (-)-secoisolariciresinol, dehydrodiconiferyl alcohol, isolariciresinol, and pinoresinol. I like nettle for the prostate benefits because there is no question how well it works for me and the docs that did my dad's prostate cancer surgery all recommended it. Good enough for me.

  8. Nutraplanet has a product called Divanex. It's currently on sale now.

  9. Currently on PCT from epistane. I'm running Clomid, DAA and AD-3 (75mg Arimistane and L-Dopa from velvet bean) and I've got a bottle of Formeron on the way. Should I wait until my AD-3 runs out, as both AD-3 and Formeron contain suicide inhibitors or would I be fine stacking them? Right now I'm thinking about holding off and starting to take Formeron at the tail end of the bottle, bridging my PCT into a more subtle transition.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    Gonna get my hands on some prolactrone soon. I want to compare it to SNS inhibit P
    There isnt a comparison.....here is why.

    INhibit p is 90mg ldopa,300mg agnus castus and 50mg p5p.
    First p6p/b6/pyridoxine has an interaction with Ldopa. Even 10mg increases peripheral metabolism. This in turn prevents it from becoming dopamine within the brain which is the only way it can lower prolactin so...50mg p5p being several times stronger than pyridoxine is like taking 150-300mg b6/pyridoxine. This is MORE than enough to completely prevent the Ldopa from working to lower prolactin.
    THey then say b6 lowers prolactin but it takes 600+ mg daily which isnt in there.
    Then there is agnus castus which has been shown in some studies to lower prolactin but elevate it in others.

    Its a lose lose lose.

    By all means...try one then the other.
    We ran blood work on ours to prove it worked and several other people have run bloods and posted them on the net.
    You cant do this with inhibit P because it wont work.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    Yeah I'd advise you to remove DAA/NDMA since many like me get diarrhea plus now even you see it that it doesn't raise test plus even raise prolactin and estrogen so better the ones that swear by it just keep buying bulk DAA.

    Now when ever I see a DAA containing product I'm not interested in trying no matter the hype around it.

    As I said so far the best stuff that worked for me was anything that raises free test - so far just tested SHBG inhibitors like Tongkat and divanil which worked OK so here we both agree on.

    Boron I'm curious never tried it on it's own - had once a multivitamin caps that contained in daily dose around 1 mg of boron and had nice effect on morning wood and mood just it had 80 other substances inside so not knowing what exactly worked.

    Last summer I did stack of Tongkat + Endosurge + Erase Pro and this was working great for 2 weeks that i was testing.

    Summary - yeah agree with your thinking to make a natty test product with Tongkat, divanil, boron and maybe 25mg of arimistane as a light AI.

    But don't go crazy and add too much AI like Alphamax I see has 75mg of arimistane - that would be too much for most (which is another thing like DAA), that makes me not want to buy such product.

    Or maybe not add any AI since Formeron works so great.
    An interesting piece of info....There is NO divanil in nettle root. Or anywhere existing in a plant that I am aware of.
    I know of more than one reputable chemist who tested extensively and it was nowhere to be found. Of course this is commonplace in the supp industry.

    Divanil is a METABOLITE of nettle root so...its produced by the intestines or by the liver, Im unsure the mechanism but I know 100% its not naturally present.

    This means every company who sells you something saying standardized for XXX% divanil is lying to you. Period.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    Oral formestane would most likely be useless.
    You would be surprised. This is the common belief but here is why....All the companies who introduced oral form were scam artists.
    12-25mg per dose. Obviously this isnt gonna work but people bought it and thought well...form doesnt work orally.
    THe truth is, in my experience, its significantly better orally than transdermally.
    But you need to take alot.
    200mg a day is super good. 300-400 is incredible. 500 is like winstrol....from personal experience/.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by koi1214 View Post
    I thought divanil and nettle root don't work?
    Nettle works great if its processed properly. A good extract.
    Divanil is not present in nettle so its a moot point. THere is not now, nor has there ever been divanil sold in the supplement industry.
    It can be created in a lab or in your body but its not a naturally occurring compound in nettle.
    Something in nettle, becomes divanil after ingestion. So there is no standardized extracts like everyone claims. Its impossible.

    I like nettle root. I think Boron is superior though.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    I am sure Brundel has his studies to back his info on Divanil and nettle root. I have yet to find anything on that though- all the PubMed and other info I found says that it does include 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran compounds, along with +)-neoolivil, (-)-secoisolariciresinol, dehydrodiconiferyl alcohol, isolariciresinol, and pinoresinol. I like nettle for the prostate benefits because there is no question how well it works for me and the docs that did my dad's prostate cancer surgery all recommended it. Good enough for me.
    THere is a study I am aware of that states divanil is found in nettle.
    Most that study divanil directly indicate it was obtained from a lab NOT from a plant.
    Also its important to remember...tons of these studies are faked. The primary producers of Nettle root for example will pay to have a study done and grease the palms of the people doing the studies so it indicates what they want it too. This happens more than you may want to think....This is part of the reason we have so many **** plants and chems that dont work being stuffed into caps and sold to you guys. Or a company will find 1 study...done on chipmunks or something and from that decide it must work properly in all humans. This is horrible logic and obviously doesnt often work.

    My direct knowledge is derived from two well known industry giants who extensively tested nettle and found no divanil. One of these guys I know very well and trust 100%. If he says they didnt find it its not there.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by xant View Post
    Currently on PCT from epistane. I'm running Clomid, DAA and AD-3 (75mg Arimistane and L-Dopa from velvet bean) and I've got a bottle of Formeron on the way. Should I wait until my AD-3 runs out, as both AD-3 and Formeron contain suicide inhibitors or would I be fine stacking them? Right now I'm thinking about holding off and starting to take Formeron at the tail end of the bottle, bridging my PCT into a more subtle transition.
    Unfortunately only the Clomid is likely doing anything as it appears both DAA and arimistane are useless. Ldopa will mildly elevate test levels (in studies) but Im not sure how well it works in the real world. CLomid I know works well but it will not leave you in a favorable condition post PCT.
    I would add the Formeron in for the last 2 weeks of PCT. THis way when you stop PCT estro is low and test is high. They will normalize into reference range hopefully.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by xant View Post
    Currently on PCT from epistane. I'm running Clomid, DAA and AD-3 (75mg Arimistane and L-Dopa from velvet bean) and I've got a bottle of Formeron on the way. Should I wait until my AD-3 runs out, as both AD-3 and Formeron contain suicide inhibitors or would I be fine stacking them? Right now I'm thinking about holding off and starting to take Formeron at the tail end of the bottle, bridging my PCT into a more subtle transition.
    Unfortunately only the Clomid is likely doing anything as it appears both DAA and arimistane are useless. Ldopa will mildly elevate test levels (in studies) but Im not sure how well it works in the real world. CLomid I know works well but it will not leave you in a favorable condition post PCT.
    I would add the Formeron in for the last 2 weeks of PCT. THis way when you stop PCT estro is low and test is high. They will normalize into reference range hopefully.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    Nutraplanet has a product called Divanex. It's currently on sale now.
    I know....and MANY companies sell it. Part of the problem is the guys developing the products dont know any better.
    They just buy whatever the Chinese suppliers say is good or they read is the hot ingredients online.
    0 real research is done.
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  18. Oral formestane!! Oral formestane! Oral formestane! Anyone second that motion?? Lol

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Cjg View Post
    Oral formestane!! Oral formestane! Oral formestane! Anyone second that motion?? Lol
    No way. As I've said, I love the smell, the ease of application, the consistency, and the quick response. I'd be begging for transdermal.

  20. Therin lies the problem.
    Everyone loves Formeron. I have almost made an oral version several times but because formeron works so well Id rather leave it alone. Why fix whats not broken.
    Just for an fyi. I have a buddy who won his ifbb pro card recently. He was taking formestane caps i made him. 100mg twice a day. And he was on approx 3000mg mixed aas. Dry as a bone. It def works orally.
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  21. There was a product produced years back called formex. It worked well. They discontinued it though for some reason. I believe it was do to legality and it being modified
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by horizons View Post
    DAA is useless. But so is arimistane.

    If brundel can source a really high quality divanil, boron and tongkat then that is pretty set.

    If needed or anything extra maybe some NMDA.

    Or hey, for a AI, some oral formestane as well
    I think even oral formestane combined with the above ingredients could have some real synergy

    It may not need to be dosed too high with all the other legit ingredients

  23. Brundel,

    Mail man brought me your package!

  24. Oral formestane would certainly be more convenient. I'd buy it if dosed right.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Therin lies the problem.
    Everyone loves Formeron. I have almost made an oral version several times but because formeron works so well Id rather leave it alone. Why fix whats not broken.
    Just for an fyi. I have a buddy who won his ifbb pro card recently. He was taking formestane caps i made him. 100mg twice a day. And he was on approx 3000mg mixed aas. Dry as a bone. It def works orally.
    I would def buy capsules as I know it takes alot for a transdermal (formeron,androgel)to work for me as I have thicker skin. I know im the minority though. First time though I heard an oral version works. Always read it was ineffective as an oral. Good info

  26. Oral Formestane, transdermal epiandrosterone, the Free-T product... There you go.

  27. I will buy some oral formestane. I'm always on the go and can put my pill in my pocket so I don't miss a dose vs. carrying the pump bottle.

  28. Got my Tongkat today. I will say right off the bat that I am pleased to see it the dark brown color that I have attributed better quality from in the past. Anytime I get the light beige color, it is never as good.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    Unfortunately only the Clomid is likely doing anything as it appears both DAA and arimistane are useless. Ldopa will mildly elevate test levels (in studies) but Im not sure how well it works in the real world. CLomid I know works well but it will not leave you in a favorable condition post PCT.
    I would add the Formeron in for the last 2 weeks of PCT. THis way when you stop PCT estro is low and test is high. They will normalize into reference range hopefully.
    Do you have studies negating the ones already done on DAA and Arimistane? I may not have bloods to prove it, but I know from many personal experiences that they are at least touching my testosterone and estrogen levels. However, if you actually think that Arimistane and Formestane won't have any detrimental interactions (i.e. estrogen being taken too low.) then I may add in the Formeron as soon as my shipment comes in.


    Edit... Just checked, there are neither studies done confirming or denying the claimed effects of Arimistane outside of in vitro usage. There are an abundance of reviews for and against its effectiveness as well. Logically, I am led to believe that it affects certain people in different ways. It may all be placebo, though I don't see how it could remain on the market this long if that were the case.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by koi1214 View Post
    Brundel,

    Mail man brought me your package!
    Awesome! I cant wait for you guys to try it.
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