- 01-14-2014, 02:52 AM
Have to say I read few articles now proving DAA does nothing to boost test plus some members on other forums saying they had blood works proving their test stayed the same.
From experience - I tried 2 products containing 3.12g of DAA and both gave me diarrhea in 1-3h after taking even half this dose but I did felt at least around day 5-10 to have a test boosting effect on my body but never took it more than 12 days.
- 01-14-2014, 08:44 AM
DAA lowered my test, free test, and raised e2. The stuff sucks and I am one of many that have reported this happening on here.
- 01-14-2014, 09:12 AM
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01-14-2014, 12:14 PM
Daa raises estrogen big time. My co worker was taking it and got sore swollen nips. Added formeron to it and all ways well. He couldn't tell if the the testboosting effect was from the daa or formeron though. Believe it or not there a expense ass testbooster called p6 extreme red that worked good on me. I would never buy it myself cause of price but some was giving to me.
01-14-2014, 01:18 PM
01-14-2014, 01:45 PM
We will likely ditch it and add in some other well proven test boosters.
I sent off a batch of the test boosters with NMDA in them to guys in this thread.
Well see how they like em. Its not just NMDA so.....
Anyways we will most likely switch to something else. The tongkat we have is pretty good. I might run some bloodwork with it.
01-14-2014, 01:47 PM
Soon we will likely add DAA and NMDA to the list of bunk supps.
01-14-2014, 01:54 PM
01-14-2014, 02:15 PM
Haven't found the one that you could take for like 4 weeks and feel the boost in libido and erection every time you'd take it.
Not to even go into crappy claims with bulbine supplements and 347% increase in testosterone - one of biggest scams. If this would really work then no guy would go on TRT if enough just such natty product.
01-14-2014, 02:21 PM
The last tests we are gonna run with it have shipped out.
Thankfully we have more trustworthy backups. NMDA is just so cheap as is arimistane I so wanted them to work.
Anyways I have some other things at the shop Im gonna cap up and we will test.
In addition...I think we have stumbled upon 2 plants with anabolic properties. Im gonna study more and then order some samples.
Ill keep you guys posted, perhaps we can test them publicly.
01-14-2014, 02:23 PM
01-14-2014, 03:07 PM
01-14-2014, 03:31 PM
From p6 I got a lil strength major libido and a lot of muscle fullness.. Not sure if it actually raise test but it does something for sure.. Not worth 100 bucks though
01-14-2014, 03:31 PM
I feel incredibly informed and knowledgeable about sports supplementation and nutrition in general, but it took me years and a lot of money/lab work and trial and error to find out that I wasted thousands of dollars to get here. It sucks, but it is nice to see people around here (moreso than on other boards) getting informed and not going in with blinders like they used to. Of course, there will always be the next crop of guys looking for an edge that will keep these companies in business- much like I did when the old schoolers tried to teach me.
01-14-2014, 03:38 PM
Hey also there's a tbooster called colossal labs testofreak it like 19.99 haven't tried it yet but a guy at the gym swears buy it. It has tongkat in it.. I may grab one since it's cheap.
01-14-2014, 03:47 PM
What is he swearing by? I look at the ingredient profile and the mg per serving and it is low for any of those ingredients in a standalone, let alone a blend. Not saying don't try it, just saying that it looks like any of the other blends out there taking our money with lots of ingredients.
01-14-2014, 03:53 PM
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01-14-2014, 04:19 PM
That's how much I usually see it for. Luckily it was giving to me. But that's ridiculous for that. Get 3 bottles of formeron for that price lol
01-14-2014, 04:32 PM
Cellucor... not a fan of the company.
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Really looking forward to your findings brundel. In particular the nmda. Is this ingredient in your free T product?Originally Posted by brundel
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01-14-2014, 09:48 PM
The test boosters I just sent out went to guys in this thread. This will be the last test with DAA /NMDA. Unless something magical happens to them Im gonna reformulate. I am getting some good feedback on this tongkat we have so....well see how it goes.
01-14-2014, 09:50 PM
Free T would likely just be Boron and a high grade nettle. Really thats all we need. I have seen bloods with both those working so..together they will shine.
Maybe we should do tongkat,boron,nettle, a light AI or SERM.
01-14-2014, 09:53 PM
01-15-2014, 01:55 AM
Gnc kids sell it cuz it's the only p3 that's not a Gnc product and the PM on the highest capped p6 is insane. Just rubbed me the wrong way.
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01-15-2014, 04:09 AM
Now when ever I see a DAA containing product I'm not interested in trying no matter the hype around it.
As I said so far the best stuff that worked for me was anything that raises free test - so far just tested SHBG inhibitors like Tongkat and divanil which worked OK so here we both agree on.
Boron I'm curious never tried it on it's own - had once a multivitamin caps that contained in daily dose around 1 mg of boron and had nice effect on morning wood and mood just it had 80 other substances inside so not knowing what exactly worked.
Last summer I did stack of Tongkat + Endosurge + Erase Pro and this was working great for 2 weeks that i was testing.
Summary - yeah agree with your thinking to make a natty test product with Tongkat, divanil, boron and maybe 25mg of arimistane as a light AI.
But don't go crazy and add too much AI like Alphamax I see has 75mg of arimistane - that would be too much for most (which is another thing like DAA), that makes me not want to buy such product.
Or maybe not add any AI since Formeron works so great.
01-15-2014, 04:37 AM
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01-15-2014, 10:38 AM
I am sure Brundel has his studies to back his info on Divanil and nettle root. I have yet to find anything on that though- all the PubMed and other info I found says that it does include 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran compounds, along with +)-neoolivil, (-)-secoisolariciresinol, dehydrodiconiferyl alcohol, isolariciresinol, and pinoresinol. I like nettle for the prostate benefits because there is no question how well it works for me and the docs that did my dad's prostate cancer surgery all recommended it. Good enough for me.
01-15-2014, 10:48 AM
01-15-2014, 10:57 AM
Currently on PCT from epistane. I'm running Clomid, DAA and AD-3 (75mg Arimistane and L-Dopa from velvet bean) and I've got a bottle of Formeron on the way. Should I wait until my AD-3 runs out, as both AD-3 and Formeron contain suicide inhibitors or would I be fine stacking them? Right now I'm thinking about holding off and starting to take Formeron at the tail end of the bottle, bridging my PCT into a more subtle transition.
01-15-2014, 12:49 PM
INhibit p is 90mg ldopa,300mg agnus castus and 50mg p5p.
First p6p/b6/pyridoxine has an interaction with Ldopa. Even 10mg increases peripheral metabolism. This in turn prevents it from becoming dopamine within the brain which is the only way it can lower prolactin so...50mg p5p being several times stronger than pyridoxine is like taking 150-300mg b6/pyridoxine. This is MORE than enough to completely prevent the Ldopa from working to lower prolactin.
THey then say b6 lowers prolactin but it takes 600+ mg daily which isnt in there.
Then there is agnus castus which has been shown in some studies to lower prolactin but elevate it in others.
Its a lose lose lose.
By all means...try one then the other.
We ran blood work on ours to prove it worked and several other people have run bloods and posted them on the net.
You cant do this with inhibit P because it wont work.