- 10-07-2013, 02:14 PM
You would have to Pre test and run the form then post test and compare and a host of other things play a role in DHT so....
If low E can lead to elevated DHT at least youll know Formeron also acts to reduce DHT so....at worst it worst is should cancel out.
- 10-07-2013, 02:15 PM
- 10-07-2013, 08:04 PM
My mate is getting a bit of "thin" hair on 2-3 pumps a day but I really think it's all in his head tbh. It's been about a month for him. I even showed him the study where it shows formeron can even act as a light DHT inhibitor but he swears that by increasing test it's also converting to DHT and causing his hair to dramatically thin.
I can't notice it so it could be all in his head
10-07-2013, 10:34 PM
And maybe that's why on form you feel good? I still think the increase of DHT wouldn't be enough to notice though at a small dosage
This is a interesting post from another member which makes sense:
"Formestane competes with the 5a reductase enzyme and the 5a reduced metabolite is less androgenic than 5a reduced testosterone(DHT). In vitro it reduces DHT because there is no increase in testosterone. In vivo however, it does not reduce DHT because the body increases testosterone production to a point that although 4-OHA still competes for the 5a reductase enzyme, plenty of testosterone still interacts with it. The result is increased testosterone, and increased DHT, but lower DHT than would be expected for the corresponding testosterone increase"
So really people with MPB or very prone to hormone manipulation to even stay away from formeron if they worry so much about scalp DHT/baldness etc
That's like anything really though
10-07-2013, 11:20 PM
Im thinking its probably in his head. If Formeron is causing balding in him then Creatine would make all his hair fall out for sure lol...seriously. Creatine causes some serious DHT spikes.
10-07-2013, 11:41 PM
Have you got bloods to prove that creatine blows DHT levels up? I've seen one dodgy study and that was about it.
I just told him that the formeron can inhibit DHT so even if his test is increased it should cancel it out or not increase DHT to the point of hair loss. He's stopping the bottle already so I said give the rest to me
And I am super prone to anything hormonal destroying my hair
10-08-2013, 11:58 AM
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10-08-2013, 01:04 PM
Do you guys cycle off formeron or stay on most of the time? Does this product lose effectiveness if you don't cycle it?
10-08-2013, 01:32 PM
I haven't since I started almost 2 months ago. I found that it takes some time to get dialed in right because it is a td and the pump isn't going to be accurate, so you go by looks. 1 fast pump isn't noticed, 2 fast pumps is ideal for me for dryness, mood, and strength. 3 fast pumps makes me lethargic and unmotivated.
No question it works, just have to know how much/little.
10-08-2013, 02:40 PM
And..unless hes using 4-6+ pumps daily its not androgenic enough to be an issue. Might be your friend already has the symptoms of male pattern balding and even a slight DHT increase makes it worse.....the bad news is this means his hair is gonna fall out either way so...,why fight it.
Guys go bald every day...most not on anything at all.
Secondly...I have more than one friend who uses the Formeron to prevent androgenic sides and it seems to work well for them.
At any rate....at least you now have a second bottle of Formeron
10-08-2013, 02:42 PM
Doesnt lose potency.
Also this depends on the use. Solo for test boosting 1-2 pumps is pretty safe and sane.
Even 4+ pumps is relatively safe when compared to pretty much every other anabolic substance.
I think higher doses should be cycles. Low dose is ok long term.
10-08-2013, 02:43 PM
10-08-2013, 05:25 PM
Surely if he's on propecia would prevent it anyways but I did read it can be counterproductive with arimidex (a different anti aromatase)
Haha some people like to hold onto their hair.
One bottle lasts forever as well! Bonus for me!
10-08-2013, 05:36 PM
10-09-2013, 12:59 AM
For all you possible propecia users and using anti aromatase. This study is done on dogs though haha still interesting to see, considering it can actually help increase DHT and test. This is only measured in da balls as well
Prostate. 1998 Oct 1;37(2):70-6.
Effect of dual inhibition of 5-alpha-reductase and aromatase on spontaneously developed canine prostatic hypertrophy.
Suzuki K, Okazaki H, Ono Y, Kurokawa K, Suzuki T, Onuma E, Takanashi H, Mamiya Y, Yamanaka H.
Department of Urology, Gunma University School of Medicine, Maebashi, Japan. email@example.com
BACKGROUND: Our aim was to assess the effect of dual inhibition of 5-alpha-reductase and aromatase on prostate glands. METHODS: We investigated the morphological changes in the prostate gland and the changes in the hormonal environment after administration of finasteride and arimidex to intact canine specimens. The study consisted of four groups: a 5-alpha-reductase only group (5RI only, n = 5); a 5RI plus aromatase-inhibitor combination group (5RI + ARI combination, n = 5); a BPH control group (n = 3); and a castration control group (n = 3). Finasteride (1 mg/kg/day) and the same dose of arimidex were orally administered for 80 days. RESULTS: In the 5RI group, a significant decrease in the serum dihydrotestosterone (DHT) level was found, and prostatic volume was significantly decreased. However, significant increases in serum testosterone (T) and DHT levels were observed, with a concomitant increase in prostatic volume in the 5RI + ARI combination group. Morphometric analysis showed that histopathological findings in the 5RI + ARI combination group were similar to those in the BPH control group. CONCLUSIONS: Dual inhibition of 5-alpha-reductase and aromatase resulted in a significant increase in prostate volume, accompanied by a 3-10-fold increase in serum testosterone levels and a significant increase in testicular volume.
10-09-2013, 04:42 AM
10-09-2013, 05:59 AM
So I've been off of formeron for about a day and a half and I noticed my testicles are pulled tight against my scrotum. On the formeron they were always hanging very low. Is this something I need to worry about? I'm using some other natty test boosters as well right now. (Tongkat Ali, massularia, bulbine natalensis, horny goat weed, IGF 2, fenugreek, DIM bioresponse 150)
10-09-2013, 02:37 PM
From experience running a million steroid cycles I can tell you your balls go through so serious changes when androgens are introduces and when they are withdrawn. Mine would often ache alot when I started a cycle and when I stopped the cycle. Eventually this stopped and Im on lifetime HRT lol.
For you, running natty test boosters I dont think there is an issue. I would, however, make sure your using test boosers and not phytoandrogens.
Some boost test,...some mimic it which will reduce test.
10-10-2013, 12:07 AM
10-10-2013, 03:36 PM
Running a formeron, dermacrine and epi cycle soon. I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate the Formeron in both the cycle and post cycle.
I'm going to run epi 60mg for 6 weeks and I will go higher if derma can hold off lethargy. Preload derma two weeks and run along epi for 6 weeks. Pct will be toremifene and d-pol. How would I properly dose formeron through out. Cycle goal is to recomp/cut after a bulk cycle. My thoughts are 2 pumps a day throughout cycle and 1 pump every other day during pct. Please advise
Fyi-ordered two bottle of derma and two bottle of Formeron
10-10-2013, 07:49 PM
10-11-2013, 09:32 AM
10-11-2013, 10:04 AM
10-11-2013, 02:20 PM
THis is the same if you inject winny or anadrol. No matter how it gets in it still causes liver stress.
Where transdermal is preferred is in the case of a NON methylated hormone. Often these get destroyed in the stomach and intestines and are poorly absorbed.
Testosterone is a great example. Eat some test.....nothing happens. Apply it transdermally, however, and it works well.
This is because we bypass the GI tract and get right into the bloodstream. FOrmestane...is actually VERY good orally. I dont know where the myth started but its actually better orally than TD. I think the myth started because the companies selling it were dosing it at 25mg which is stupid.
100mg is the lowest dose I would use orally. 250+ is AMAZING. 500 feels like winstrol....of course this gets pricey.
10-11-2013, 02:21 PM
10-11-2013, 02:27 PM
I have read conflicting things in this regard. If its not an AI then run it like you had outlined. 2 pumps on and 1 off.
10-11-2013, 02:39 PM
10-11-2013, 02:40 PM
Epi solo I didn't need an ai and was very dry. However on test and epi, I blew up like a balloon.
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10-11-2013, 02:42 PM
Good luck with derma and lethargy. Derma has never done anything to help my lethargy on cycle or off. Oral DHEA really helps though. I personally like to use Diesel Test Hardcore while on cycle and off. I has both DHEA and pregnenalone plus a bunch of other goodies. I really helps with recovery and lethargy.
10-11-2013, 02:42 PM