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10-11-2013, 02:20 PM
THis is the same if you inject winny or anadrol. No matter how it gets in it still causes liver stress.
Where transdermal is preferred is in the case of a NON methylated hormone. Often these get destroyed in the stomach and intestines and are poorly absorbed.
Testosterone is a great example. Eat some test.....nothing happens. Apply it transdermally, however, and it works well.
This is because we bypass the GI tract and get right into the bloodstream. FOrmestane...is actually VERY good orally. I dont know where the myth started but its actually better orally than TD. I think the myth started because the companies selling it were dosing it at 25mg which is stupid.
100mg is the lowest dose I would use orally. 250+ is AMAZING. 500 feels like winstrol....of course this gets pricey.
10-11-2013, 02:21 PM
10-11-2013, 02:27 PM
I have read conflicting things in this regard. If its not an AI then run it like you had outlined. 2 pumps on and 1 off.
10-11-2013, 02:39 PM
10-11-2013, 02:40 PM
Epi solo I didn't need an ai and was very dry. However on test and epi, I blew up like a balloon.
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10-11-2013, 02:42 PM
Good luck with derma and lethargy. Derma has never done anything to help my lethargy on cycle or off. Oral DHEA really helps though. I personally like to use Diesel Test Hardcore while on cycle and off. I has both DHEA and pregnenalone plus a bunch of other goodies. I really helps with recovery and lethargy.
10-11-2013, 02:42 PM
10-11-2013, 03:51 PM
Ok my first application was applied today. High quality bottle and it was very easy to apply and it dried in seconds.
I won't say a con but I thought it was funny that it mildly smells like my grandmothers perfume and it left hardly noticeable glitter on my forarms.
10-11-2013, 04:37 PM
10-11-2013, 04:38 PM
10-11-2013, 06:41 PM
10-11-2013, 08:57 PM
A month ago felt pain in my left nipple and decided to use 40 mg of tamoxifen for a month. It worked! but now I have vision problems as a side effect of tamoxifen. Then, I did a blood test to measure my total estrogen levels and the results were "261 pg/mL" that according to the range expected shown by the laboratory this should be betweet "40 - 115 pg/mL". Now I have Formeron, DAA, Mucuna Pruriens (Standarized to 98% L-DOPA), Vitamin D and Zinc Picolinate in my NP cart to use them all to try to low my extremely high estrogen levels... this also is seriously affecting me in my libido and sexual performance.
Please tell me something! Will Formeron and the other things help me? --- Thanks in advance
10-11-2013, 09:10 PM
Sorry to hear about your negative experience. 40mg tamox is about 4 times the normal dose I would recommend!!!!
At any rate, I think I would start with the Formeron only. DAA can significantly elevate estrogen levels and we dont want anything working against us!
Ldopa, D, and zinc will also elevate test levels significantly which could lead to even more estrogen. While I would recommend these for increasing test levels I would not recommend them under the current circumstances.
Start an aggressive dose of Formeron 3-4 pumps daily for a week then back off to 1 pump am 1 pump pm.
The Formeron will reduce the estrogen and will increase test levels with no need for other products. I saw bloodwork from one customer whos test level was 81ng/dl. After 6 days at 2 pumps Formeron it went to 700! and his Free test was double the range!
Get the rest of the stuff if you want but wait till you feel better before starting it.
I think in 2 weeks or so you should be good as new using the Formeron only. I know how you feel. I got lazy recently and kept putting off grabbing a new bottle of Formeron from work. My libido crashed and I felt terrible. My estro was 200% of the ref range lol. 1 week on FOrmeron and I feel 100% better.
Please check back in and let me know how your doing.
If you have any other questions or anything is unclear feel free to ask
10-11-2013, 09:15 PM
I like to apply some alcohol based hand sanitizer about 15 min after the Formeron. It helps force more through. Make sure its the kind with aloe or vit E so skin doesnt get dry. The scent is called eau de Granny and its made primarily from tiny pieces of doilies and old knitting yarn from my grandmothers house.
10-11-2013, 10:01 PM
10-11-2013, 10:17 PM
10-11-2013, 10:18 PM
10-11-2013, 10:57 PM
Itll come in these.
10-11-2013, 11:32 PM
10-12-2013, 04:18 PM
10-22-2013, 08:56 PM
Well, I finally got my NP order with Formeron in it (took awhile since I live in Dominican Republic). Today I started with 6 pumps and I'm gonna stick to that protocol for 7 days and then drop the dosage at 4 pumps until I finish the bottle. I'm also including since Day 1 the following: Indole-3-Carbinol (I3C), Omega-3, CoQ10 and some Alpha Lipoic Acid before meals. Next week I'm gonna start training and I'll be running a PH named Stano (3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one) at 600mg a day + BCAA and Myofusion.
I'll keep you posted ;-)
10-22-2013, 10:27 PM
10-27-2013, 09:33 AM
I am planning on using Formeron a few times a week for aesthetic purposes. I am not on exogenous testosterone or other AAS, nor have I ever been. I believe I have above average levels of estrogen, and this gives me a watery, bloated face. I hope Formeron will help rid me of this. However, I am concerned about potential acceleration of MPB. I know that this is dependent on DHT levels. The FAQ says that Formeron is an 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor, but it will also raise levels of testosterone. Do you suppose that Formeron will make my DHT levels higher or lower than they were to begin with? My current level of serum testosterone is 650 ng/dl in case that's relevant.
10-27-2013, 05:07 PM
The only difference was my friend was on propecia so I am thinking it made the propecia useless while on formeron. I think he went to get bloods and told me DHT was skyrocketed so I highly doubt formeron has a strong affinity to DHT inhibiting. But as I said there was a study I posted that shows propecia & AI actually increases DHT ten fold, so I really think it renders propecia useless so it makes the hair have no medication for how long you are on formeron.
In saying all this it definitely increases test. So therefore you're going to get a DHT increase while also dropping estrogen so you look and feel awesome
10-27-2013, 05:14 PM
10-27-2013, 06:07 PM
10-27-2013, 10:48 PM
When you say it "destroyed" your friend's hair, are you now certain it's not in his head? And you said two pumps a day? No other cycling? I only plan on two pumps per week, just to dry out a bit. I guess if that kills my hair, time will do it on its own. But ****, you unnerve me with that proposed interaction between finasteride and formestane. My backup is gone.
I'll monitor my hairline with extreme caution from the day when I apply it for the first time. If I see shedding, I'll stop immediately, wait for the aromatase to return, and then start dutasteride and get a transplant. For anyone interested, here's a link to an album with pictures of my hairline. imgur.com/a/fomkt
I will update it regularly after I start formeron.
10-27-2013, 10:56 PM
I have NEVER heard of Formeron causing hairloss.
For certain it is a mild 5 ar inhibitor so it reduces conversion of test to DHT. I have two friends who use it on cycle to reduce prostate enlargement and it works.
In addition its unlikely that an increase in test within normal range will cause excessive hairloss.
Also...if a guys hair is already falling out before hand and hes using Propecia to combat MPB you cant really say Formeron caused it. HIS HAIR WAS ALREADY FALLING OUT LOL.
10-27-2013, 11:00 PM
10-27-2013, 11:34 PM
10-27-2013, 11:55 PM
I don't think it was formerons fault but I did think it make his propecia render less on formeron which was like him taking nothing for over a month for his hair = hair loss
I honestly believe formeron increases DHT rather than inhibits it and I believe it's more androgenic than anyone would think. I would love to see some bloods to prove that it inhibits DHT. In saying this though, high DHT is sooooo enjoyable though plus something that deceases estrogen and increase test sometimes in dramatic measures is going to cause androgenic/anabolic effects.
Vascularity, aggression, libido though.... So good
10-28-2013, 12:16 AM
I'm still confused about products containing Formestane. I read a lot of positive reviews, so it must be a good product. I think it's fair to say that it's a legit aromatase inhibitor, which leads me to think it's used as in PCT. However it's also noted for its androgenic properties, which would make it suppressive...a definite no-no when putting together a legit PCT.
I've heard it compared to Aromasin, however Aromasin is always taken with Clomid / Nolvadex in PCT. I don't think anyone would recommend taking Aromasin as a stand-alone PCT, nor as a stand-alone anabolic.
Which leaves me wondering, where is the need of Formestane?
To be clear, I've read the comments here and elsewhere and users of Formestane products have great things to say...I'm just asking when / why are they using it (PCT, stand alone, other)?
10-28-2013, 08:50 AM
10-28-2013, 02:28 PM
Prone to hairloss and formeron has never given me any problems.
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10-28-2013, 09:41 PM
10-28-2013, 09:52 PM
Formestane needed to be injected though and is considerable anabolic at high doses which is bad for primarily female breast cancer patients it was intended for so it was replaced by AI's like aromasin that have greater bioavailibility and no anabolic/androgenic effect.
At lower doses....75-175mg or so it not significantly suppressive. I know this because I have seen dozens of blood results indicating huge increase in Total and free T using Formeron. So...its great for on cycle AI and also works well for PCT.
At higher doses it will become more and more anabolic and more and more suppressive but most people dont go this high with the dose so....
Formeron is a great AI for on cycle and PCT and at higher doses is a great standalone.
Now..........why not take an AI solo for PCT?
In men estrogen is made primarily via an enzymatic conversion...
So...when estro is low the brain sends the signal to the testes (leutinizing hormone) to make more testosterone so that in turn more estrogen can be made and homeostasis is achieved, however, since we are blocking this conversion with Formestane or your AI of choice estro does not go up and test levels continue to rise.
In fact...clomid and tamox merely trick the brain into thinking estro is low by binding to selective receptors and having no effect so the brain thinks estro is low.
The down side to this is once you stop the SERM estro may still actually be elevated and test levels will plummet again.
So...for PCT AI alone is better than SERM alone but ideal is both. SERM to get things started and AI to keep estro down so when the SERM is stopped test and estro can equalize into normal ranges.
10-28-2013, 09:55 PM