[brundel]

Hey guys. Quick question, maybe Brundel can help me out. I was running some Test E at around 600mgs per week for about 12 weeks. Trying to bulk maybe 10 -15 pounds. My starting weight was 274 ( i'm just under 6ft 5 and I am in the wrestling business so looks are extremely important). After 12 weeks I ballooned up to 314. I never had to use an Anti or anything. So I heard from one of the guys in FLA that running hgh frag 177-191 after test will help cut. So I tried it. nope- 2 weeks later i was at 334. I'm retaining so much water its not even funny. the Last week I started a STRICT diet of high protein- low to moderate carbs - low to moderate fats with cardio in the morning and at night. He recommended your product for this very purpose so I placed an order for 2 from inside the gym on my cell. Will this product work for helping me kick that extra water and the estrogen levels? Atleast help me from walking around like a giant water balloon? lol

Bro...lol. No wonder you look like a balloon. Your estrogen is higher than a PMSing womans.
Formeron will drain a ton of water and all the bloat will go away.

I recommend running it at a high dose for a couple weeks to get things down and to drain water.
Like 5 pumps a day.
Then back off to 2-3 pumps.


Please......check back in here and let us know how it worked. Im 100% confident you will be happy with the results.
Your gonna love this stuff brother.

[IronPumper69]

Thanks man. I appreciate it! I feel like an idiot. I guess at 27, its time to use Antis.... (should've probably used them before lol) I'm thinking of running some clen with the Formeron. Is this safe do you think?

[brundel]

Thanks man. I appreciate it! I feel like an idiot. I guess at 27, its time to use Antis.... (should've probably used them before lol) I'm thinking of running some clen with the Formeron. Is this safe do you think?

Nah. Not an idiot. Now you know so....start doing it from now on. Always use an AI on cycle if your running compounds that can aromatize.
Youll be super stoked when all that water starts draining away and you can see the muscle underneath.
Im actually excited for you.
I think clen with Formeron is just as safe as running clen by itself. Formeron will not effect its safety at all.

[IronPumper69]

Can't wait to get it. Started my clen today. my shipment i ordered was a little odd. so much settlement on the side. Dude i ordered from said that was normal and to just shake it before every use.... I was burning up during my workout and cardio so I think its real... lol

[brundel]

Be careful bro.
This is why research chem sites are so terrible. They cant even make the oral vehicle right.
It should not all clump and settle. This is bad because Clen is measured in MCG....if you get 5mg in a clump which is like the size of 3 grans of sand it will most likely kill you.

[IronPumper69]

See this sucks.... I have to be really careful about what I get because I am tested regularly .... I usually get a heads about a few weeks(sometimes months ahead) so I have to be really careful and usually go with underground labs because I can't afford any of the undetectables yet..... ugh. I'm going to try and not die.

[Daddy Chan]

See this sucks.... I have to be really careful about what I get because I am tested regularly .... I usually get a heads about a few weeks(sometimes months ahead) so I have to be really careful and usually go with underground labs because I can't afford any of the undetectables yet..... ugh. I'm going to try and not die.

Get a pharma grade A.I. from a PHARMACY non of this Research ****....i simply dont trust it

[pjay5119]

Thinking of running formeron as a test booster with some IGF/HGH. What would you recommend as a PCT for this type of stack? Still haven't decided on the IGF/hgh though, looking at pill forms. Know it wont be as powerful, but shying away from needles. Thoughts on what to use for both pct and IGF/hgh would be great.

[brundel]

See this sucks.... I have to be really careful about what I get because I am tested regularly .... I usually get a heads about a few weeks(sometimes months ahead) so I have to be really careful and usually go with underground labs because I can't afford any of the undetectables yet..... ugh. I'm going to try and not die.

One of the main reasons I started Black Lion Research was to give guys an option to research chem sites.
It says right on the research chem site bottles not to eat.....they are 100% unregulated.
How many threads have you seen where guys are complaining about the RC chems being bunk.
Its not a good idea to play with your health and taking a drug sold by companies known to sell bunk, underdosed, mislabeled etc products is certainly playing russian roulette with your health.
What if you got 10mg of clen on accident? Even if you didnt die it would seriously fuk you up...permanently....but you would most likely die.
There isnt anything you can do or say about it either because it says on the bottle not to eat.


So......since one of my goals is to give guys viable options to replace RC chems...

What supps would you like to see us make?

We have an AI, a prolactin supp and an acne supp.
What else?

[brundel]

Get a pharma grade A.I. from a PHARMACY non of this Research ****....i simply dont trust it

Or just use Formeron......its good everytime, never bunk, never mislabeled...... Always the bomb.

[brundel]

Thinking of running formeron as a test booster with some IGF/HGH. What would you recommend as a PCT for this type of stack? Still haven't decided on the IGF/hgh though, looking at pill forms. Know it wont be as powerful, but shying away from needles. Thoughts on what to use for both pct and IGF/hgh would be great.

You dont need a PCT for this.
Formeron can be used for PCT so...your HPTA will be better after the cycle then before

[Piston Honda]

So......since one of my goals is to give guys viable options to replace RC chems...

What supps would you like to see us make?

We have an AI, a prolactin supp and an acne supp.
What else?

A clen-like topical.

[BigRigg]

We have an AI, a prolactin supp and an acne supp.
What else?

A HGH like product or a really good sleep aid something along those lines, maybe an insulin mimetic?

[Daddy Chan]

Or just use Formeron......its good everytime, never bunk, never mislabeled...... Always the bomb.

Lol actually im usin it right now stuffs awesome.

[brundel]

A HGH like product or a really good sleep aid something along those lines, maybe an insulin mimetic?

Did you know that Prolactrone, our prolactin product is an amazing HGH product?
In studies, the ingredients in Prolactrone elevated HGH levels to a level on average comparable to 5-7 iu injected HGH.

Eur J Pediatr. 1976 Jun 8;122(3):195-200.
[HGH secretion after oral application of L-dopa and L-carbidopa (author's transl)].
[Article in German]
Sch?nberger W, Ziegler R, Brodt B, Grimm W.
Abstract

The stimulatory effect of L-Dopa and L-Carbidopa (Nacom) on HGH secretion was determined in 12 children of normal height aged from 6 to 14 years. Each child received a standard dose of 250 mg L-Dopa and 25 mg L-Carbidopa p.o. HGH concentration in the serum was determined at standard intervals. All subjects showed a sufficient increase of HGH. The mean value was 19.6 ng/ml. According to the maximum values of the HGH concentration the sample can be divided into two groups; the first group reached the highest values after 20--40 min, the second one after 60--90 min. On evaluation of the curve of the mean values it appears that 2 blood samples taken 40 and 90 min after the ingestion of L-Dopa and L-Carbidopa are sufficient in order to exclude HGH deficiency. The theoretical background for HGH secretion after stimulation by L-Dopa and L-Carbidopa is discussed.

PMID:
1278188
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[BigRigg]

Did you know that Prolactrone, our prolactin product is an amazing HGH product?
In studies, the ingredients in Prolactrone elevated HGH levels to a level on average comparable to 5-7 iu injected HGH.

Eur J Pediatr. 1976 Jun 8;122(3):195-200.
[HGH secretion after oral application of L-dopa and L-carbidopa (author's transl)].
[Article in German]
Sch?nberger W, Ziegler R, Brodt B, Grimm W.
Abstract

The stimulatory effect of L-Dopa and L-Carbidopa (Nacom) on HGH secretion was determined in 12 children of normal height aged from 6 to 14 years. Each child received a standard dose of 250 mg L-Dopa and 25 mg L-Carbidopa p.o. HGH concentration in the serum was determined at standard intervals. All subjects showed a sufficient increase of HGH. The mean value was 19.6 ng/ml. According to the maximum values of the HGH concentration the sample can be divided into two groups; the first group reached the highest values after 20--40 min, the second one after 60--90 min. On evaluation of the curve of the mean values it appears that 2 blood samples taken 40 and 90 min after the ingestion of L-Dopa and L-Carbidopa are sufficient in order to exclude HGH deficiency. The theoretical background for HGH secretion after stimulation by L-Dopa and L-Carbidopa is discussed.

PMID:
1278188
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Interesting, thanks for sharing! I really want to try Formeron for my prep. Been on the fence for a while. Now you have me wanting to try Prolactrone as well. Damn you lol

[Lhns2]

Interesting, thanks for sharing! I really want to try Formeron for my prep. Been on the fence for a while. Now you have me wanting to try Prolactrone as well. Damn you lol

Makes for quite a good stack

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[IronPumper69]

i know this is off topic but the clen i ordered ( see previous post here) is now like syrup and crystalized and not mixable... the UG lab I bought it from attempted to help me but then sent me an email telling me to beat the bottle against my hand constantly..... put it in the microwave for 3 seconds.... and shake it for 5 minutes constantly. For ****s and gigs i did this... nothing worked..... I wish I could bash them on here ..... but I wont.... my Formeron is coming today... sitting here at the door waiting.... I have no doubt this stuff will be amazing

[brundel]

This is why I started Black Lion. So guys would not have to buy research chems.

Clen should not be doing this^^^
Its measured in micrograms. Most likely they put milligrams in there instead and its too much powder for the volume of carrier.
Oh.....itll also likely kill you if you drink it.

Throw that **** away.

Where did you get it?

[IronPumper69]

GEN X CHEMICALS.

[brundel]

Good...now everyone knows to NOT buy anything from them.
Its a hazard to the health of the bodybuilding community and these guys dont care at all what happens to you.
Im just glad that nothing bad happened to you.

[IronPumper69]

Dudes... Okay I figured I'd wait for about a month until i gave the full results of my formeron cycle.... but after i today .... i can't wait!!! lol

for three days now i have been taking 5 pumps per day. this morning i did 5 pumps and went to mma class to get some cardio in, sweat, ect. I was there for 4 hours. during this time i drank approx a half gallon of water. left. went and ate with the girl. came back to pick up some gear and weighed my self..... I weighed 9 1/2 pounds less than I did Thursday night..... This stuff is really helping me get rid of the water i got from my dumb cycles i did...... I can't wait to see how I will look in a week, month, and 2 months! lol without a doubt this stuff works.

[JD261985]

Dudes... Okay I figured I'd wait for about a month until i gave the full results of my formeron cycle.... but after i today .... i can't wait!!! lol

for three days now i have been taking 5 pumps per day. this morning i did 5 pumps and went to mma class to get some cardio in, sweat, ect. I was there for 4 hours. during this time i drank approx a half gallon of water. left. went and ate with the girl. came back to pick up some gear and weighed my self..... I weighed 9 1/2 pounds less than I did Thursday night..... This stuff is really helping me get rid of the water i got from my dumb cycles i did...... I can't wait to see how I will look in a week, month, and 2 months! lol without a doubt this stuff works.

Yea it gets the face and body leaner for sure. Water weight is so annoying

[tyga tyga]

At 225mg formestane, it better be shedding water off. Correct me if im wrong brundel, isnt each pump 50mg?

[Petrichor]

At 225mg formestane, it better be shedding water off. Correct me if im wrong brundel, isnt each pump 50mg?

at 10% absorption, each pump is 5mg.

[gymrat99]

Stupid question but can you apply this anywhere or is it better to apply it on certain areas?

[Lhns2]

Stupid question but can you apply this anywhere or is it better to apply it on certain areas?

Try abdominal areas, especially your sides, chest, and some people do tops of feet. Ain't nobody got time for that!

[brundel]

Upper chest
Neck
Shoulders
sides of abdomen

These are good easy to reach application areas.

[bswanny]

Tried to read through most of the facts so sorry if this was already answered. I am on HRT and have high estrogen. My question is if I am using two pumps a day, is it more beneficial to do two pumps together or spread them out or doesn't matter? Also, would it be a horrible idea if I took erase at a mild dose (25 or 50mg) while still using Formeron just as some insurance? I know it was stated this was overkill earlier however I believe I have a lot of estrogen as when I have ran Erase at 100mg in the past, I still had no joint pains (I know that's not exactly scientific). Thank you for any help.

[Lhns2]

I'd say split through the day but Brundel might have a different opinion. You shouldn't need any erase.