Hey everyone,

There's a new blog up on our website about why and how to use SuperCarb for athletic performance.

Check it out here-

SuperCarb’s Uses in Athletic Performance | Avant Research

All feedback welcome!

Awesome!

Yep, Rodja does good work.

I use supercarb in my soda replacement/endurance drink.

30oz water
30g Xtend
10g BA
30g Supercarb

Nice! What flavor of Xtend do you use?

Originally Posted by tattoopierced1

I use supercarb in my soda replacement/endurance drink.

30oz water
30g Xtend
10g BA
30g Supercarb

I was thinkin of this as a possiblity but with my diet which is very carb restrictive im unsure where i could employ this for the best results.

Originally Posted by rpen22

Nice! What flavor of Xtend do you use?

Orange. The taste is similar to an orange soda without the carbonation. I have played around with adding in more BCAAs and found that I can add another 10g of NP Bulk BCAAs without affecting the flavor too much.. any more than that and the taste starts to go south.

Originally Posted by tattoopierced1

Orange. The taste is similar to an orange soda without the carbonation. I have played around with adding in more BCAAs and found that I can add another 10g of NP Bulk BCAAs without affecting the flavor too much.. any more than that and the taste starts to go south.

Even though Xtend is a great product the bulk BCAAs have always been my (cheapass) play. The Supercarb goes a little ways into masking the taste, but citrus if your friend.

I think that Xtend Apple or Lemonade would be good in this too.

I am partial to the watermelon.

how come you guys are so anti High GI carbs? Theres monumental benefits to an insulin response immediately post workout. Read Nutrient Timing. Post workout carbs that don't illicit an insulin response are pointless.

Originally Posted by kitchenstud

how come you guys are so anti High GI carbs? Theres monumental benefits to an insulin response immediately post workout. Read Nutrient Timing. Post workout carbs that don't illicit an insulin response are pointless.

Who said we were so anti-High GI carbs for all purposes?

SuperCarb is not meant solely as a PostWorkout supplement(although that is one way to implement it).

Originally Posted by kitchenstud

how come you guys are so anti High GI carbs? Theres monumental benefits to an insulin response immediately post workout. Read Nutrient Timing. Post workout carbs that don't illicit an insulin response are pointless.

I beg to differ. Glycogen synthesis does not occur from a single meal; it is a process. Spiking insulin is not a good thing while training nor if you are dieting. Insulin fluctuations should be avoided, IMO, because of the possibility of fat gain. Also, GI is influenced by AA, particularly Leucine, so adding large quantities of high-GI carbs on top of that is overdoing it.

Originally Posted by kitchenstud

how come you guys are so anti High GI carbs? Theres monumental benefits to an insulin response immediately post workout. Read Nutrient Timing. Post workout carbs that don't illicit an insulin response are pointless.

i take in 60g of powdered gatorade post workout. if that aint high GI carbs then I dont know what is.

If you read Nutrient Timing, you'll see that multiple university tests(read: unbiased and with no vested interest in supp sales) shows that high GI carbs immediately post workout replenish glycogen stores more efficiently, and when combined in a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio of the carbs to protein, enzymes responsible for fat oxidation were much higher. And we're not advocating high GI carbs consumed all day long- just immediately post workout in the said 3:1 ratio, and then in a 5 or 6:1 ratio the other way(protein to carbs) another 2 hours or so later.

The studies implementing a system like this(using maltodextrin and glucose), along with BCAA's(especially Leucine, as you mentioned), showed improvements in bodyweight composition, strength, and endurance, as well as being less succeptible to colds than control groups.

Originally Posted by kitchenstud

If you read Nutrient Timing, you'll see that multiple university tests(read: unbiased and with no vested interest in supp sales) shows that high GI carbs immediately post workout replenish glycogen stores more efficiently, and when combined in a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio of the carbs to protein, enzymes responsible for fat oxidation were much higher. And we're not advocating high GI carbs consumed all day long- just immediately post workout in the said 3:1 ratio, and then in a 5 or 6:1 ratio the other way(protein to carbs) another 2 hours or so later.

The studies implementing a system like this(using maltodextrin and glucose), along with BCAA's(especially Leucine, as you mentioned), showed improvements in bodyweight composition, strength, and endurance, as well as being less succeptible to colds than control groups.

There are more studies done saying that glycogen synthesis is achieved as long as suffiecnient carbohydrate is consumed. Search pubmed, instead of using a book that is trying to sell you a particular product, if you really want to look at the current research about carbohydrate selection.

With all due respect, "Nutrient Timing" isn't trying to sell anything- you are. It also showed lab result comparisons of glycogen replenishment comparisons between low and high GI carbs- the high GI carbs replenished muscle glycogen stores significantly better. Also, there was a comparison between giving a carb drink immediately post workout, or 3 hours later, and the one given immediately showed much better results. Since SuperCarb is promoted as having a very slow digested carbs, that would seem to be the case here, as well.

Another thing that I'm curious about, and this is an honest question(not a debate), but what is SuperCarb derived from? the ingredient shown on the back of the container would indicated its some sort of fructose derivative, or that fructose is involved somehow or another. If thats the case... I don't see how it could replenish muscle glycogen at all, since fructose is broken down by your liver, and in large quanitities converted into triglycerides. I'm not a fan of fructose at all...

Originally Posted by kitchenstud

Another thing that I'm curious about, and this is an honest question(not a debate), but what is SuperCarb derived from?

It is derived from Sucrose.

Originally Posted by kitchenstud

With all due respect, "Nutrient Timing" isn't trying to sell anything- you are. It also showed lab result comparisons of glycogen replenishment comparisons between low and high GI carbs- the high GI carbs replenished muscle glycogen stores significantly better. Also, there was a comparison between giving a carb drink immediately post workout, or 3 hours later, and the one given immediately showed much better results. Since SuperCarb is promoted as having a very slow digested carbs, that would seem to be the case here, as well.

And therein lies the problem with a lot of research out there- it's not DIRECTLY applicable to real-world situations. That's not to say that nothing can be learned from them, because obviously, research is where scientific knowledge comes from. It's just that oftentimes, they are not realistic or directly applicable to real-world situations.

For example, the research you're talking about above- do you personally choose between taking a carb drink immediately post-workout or 3 hours later? I would hope not. In fact, I would hope you do BOTH and then some. The reason being, recovery occurs not only immediately post-workout, but up to 24 hours later. Therefore, the question is not "should I take a shake now or three hours later" since that is far to limited in scope.

And given what we know about fast-digesting carb sources' ability to impact blood tryglycerides and fat storage, they are certainly not what you want to be taking in throughout the day- carbs like SuperCarb are.

I basically agree with you Sir Savage, especially about SuperCarb very likely being a good option for carbs throughout the day.

I just don't get how somebody can argue against the overwhelming amount of evidence supporting the necessity of an insulin release post workout.

Originally Posted by kitchenstud

I just don't get how somebody can argue against the overwhelming amount of evidence supporting the necessity of an insulin release post workout.

/sigh.