Old stuff...4ad and One+ Cream/Gel????

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  1. Old stuff...4ad and One+ Cream/Gel????


    Anyone got any info on the old Avant 4ad cream and One+ gel?


  2. Its the best stuff since sliced bread!.
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  3. ???


    Like comparisons to current stuff, effectiveness, pct necessity, etc.

  4. There is no comparison between the 1T/4AD stack anything presently available. They do require a full PCT with a SERM, but they are wonderful compounds for bulking, recomping, or cutting.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

  5. 1T/4ad


    These are the transdermal creams made by avant. Any clue as to dosing/application and length of cycle? Expected gains?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by srx600 View Post
    These are the transdermal creams made by avant. Any clue as to dosing/application and length of cycle? Expected gains?
    Can't remember the mg/mL off the top of my head, but aim for 250-300mg of 1T and 300-400mg 4AD. A six week cycle is solid and the gains are hard to say due to numerous genetic factors, but they are solid nonetheless.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  7. As Rodja said, there is nothing out there right now that can beat them. They were THE pinnacle of over-the-counter androgen supplements.

    Unfortunately, though, they had to go the way of the dodo.

  8. For an 8 week cycle at higher end dosing (12 squirts per day) WITH diet and routine dialed in, you could expect a good solid 15-20 pound gain.

    This is by far one of THE most potent stacks ever created by the demented mind of Avant.
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  9. And it inspired a cornicopia of homebrewing by certain unidentified members of this board. Years ago. When it was legal.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    And it inspired a cornicopia of homebrewing by certain unidentified members of this board. Years ago. When it was legal.
    I would even posit that the homebrewing controversy MADE this board what it is today (foundation-wise, and attitude).
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  11. speaking of all this guys, if one were to say have 200mg 4ad caps and wanted to make a trans outta them... then penetrate could be used, correct? what about the fillers? how much of a problem would they present? also i wish the infamous homebrewing forum was still here, cause im sure there was a recipe for removing fillers, do you gus remember off the top of your head how to do this? and did it significantly reduce the final amount frm losing any in the process?

    thanks guys, i remember reading all these things years ago but cant remember the exact answers and would look it up myself but like i said the trans and homebrew sections were sadly removed
  12. cycle


    Well lets say I'm 186lbs and 21 y/o. How many squirts/dosage of each? When? I am new to PS may I say. I have researched pct, etc for months, but I am curious as to dosage. Would this be for experience users only? Even better than Superdrol?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by srx600 View Post
    Well lets say I'm 186lbs and 21 y/o. How many squirts/dosage of each? When? I am new to PS may I say. I have researched post cycle therapy, etc for months, but I am curious as to dosage. Would this be for experience users only? Even better than Superdrol?
    the gains are easily on par wth superdrol but insanely less sides. i think Dsade posted above how many squirts to use.... is there not a ml/mg reatio listed on the bottle? let me know what that is and i can generally give you how many squirts are necessary.

    if its like 100mg/ml then with .5ml a squirt one would probally use 6-8 squirts of 4ad (300-400mg) and if the mg/ml ratio was the same for the 1T then youd want 4-6 squirts (200-300mg) this would be more then likely spread between two seperate doses doses 8-12 hours apart to maintain constant levels....

    youd probally want to start with the lower dose to assess your reaction and move up from there and could easily run this for as long as 6 weeks and maybe longer if your doing ok bp and sides wise.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    speaking of all this guys, if one were to say have 200mg 4ad caps and wanted to make a trans outta them... then penetrate could be used, correct? what about the fillers? how much of a problem would they present? also i wish the infamous homebrewing forum was still here, cause im sure there was a recipe for removing fillers, do you gus remember off the top of your head how to do this? and did it significantly reduce the final amount frm losing any in the process?

    thanks guys, i remember reading all these things years ago but cant remember the exact answers and would look it up myself but like i said the trans and homebrew sections were sadly removed
    IIRC, the fillers are not alcohol soluble. Get some cheesecloth, or coffee filter, dump the caps into alcohol and let them sit. Then strain through the above. The liquid should contain your hormone, and the powder left behind should be filler.

    Use as little alcohol as you can get away with, as it will change the dynamics of the transdermal carrier slightly.
    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Flawless Skin Couture - We give you the tools to make you Flawless

  15. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    IIRC, the fillers are not alcohol soluble. Get some cheesecloth, or coffee filter, dump the caps into alcohol and let them sit. Then strain through the above. The liquid should contain your hormone, and the powder left behind should be filler.

    Use as little alcohol as you can get away with, as it will change the dynamics of the transdermal carrier slightly.
    saweeeet thanks Dsade

    just to clarify, this is rubbing alchohol? or a specific solvent alchohol?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    saweeeet thanks Dsade

    just to clarify, this is rubbing alchohol? or a specific solvent alchohol?
    If you can find >90% that is probably ideal. Should have it at a drug store, if not they can order it for you.

    Just make sure you try to buy 400 pseudoephedrine tablets and ask them if they sell acetone in drums as well.
    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    If you can find >90% that is probably ideal. Should have it at a drug store, if not they can order it for you.

    Just make sure you try to buy 400 pseudoephedrine tablets and ask them if they sell acetone in drums as well.
    LMAO what about some octane booster? thanks again.

  18. Some good write ups on bn.com in the articles section.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Goat View Post
    Some good write ups on bn.com in the articles section.
    More to be found here as well, if you haven't came across them.
  20. creams


    How much would this stuff be worth?

  21. One. billion. dollars.

  22. lol, well basically this point is moot considering they are banned. there is no value for them as they are not sold and discussing what someone would pay for them from you would be no better then trying to sell them in the eyes of the mods, so be careful how you proceed or you may be banned for trying to traffic a scheduled drug openly on the boards....

    Youd even have trouble selling something like this on Ebay for the same reason you would haave trouble selling a sack of weed on there.... lol.

    if you really dont want it your best bet is to see if any of your buddies do, thats all i can tell ya.

  23. Yeah. What he said. However, for one billion dollars I can be swayed to allow you to talk openly about whatever products you want*










    *because I will be on a beach somewhere instead of hanging around here.
  24. price


    No, I was just curious for if I wanted or could get more how much it might cost me. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the info.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by srx600 View Post
    No, I was just curious for if I wanted or could get more how much it might cost me. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the info.
    ahah, ya its banned, sounless you live outside the US your SOL.
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