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Can someone help explane exactly how I would mix and use this combo.

L-Clen - 30ml @ 200mcg/ml

1. How much do I mix into a bottle of Napalm?
2. How much do I use
3. How or where do I apply it
4. How many time/day do I apply it.

It sounds like I should use this combo for 2 weeks then go off for 2 weeks.

Please advise
I would use all.
Directions on the bottle - 1 to 3 squirts twice/day
Wherever you want fat loss - I'm using on abs and obliques
Twice - after a shower is best. Don't want to sweat after applying.

Use one week - then one week on something else (Lipoderm-Y for me).

Probably need a bigger container for the Napalm/clen mixture. I did. I transferred it all to an old Penetrate bottle - shook and then put some back into the Napalm bottle so I could use it's pump.
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How much of the clen did you put in the Napalm? I have a 30ml 200mcg/ml bottle from ag.
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he just said, put it all in. All 30 ml wont fit in a new napalm bottle, so put it all in something else, mix it up, then put some back in the napalm bottle.
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Can someone help explane exactly how I would mix and use this combo.

L-Clen - 30ml @ 200mcg/ml

1. How much do I mix into a bottle of Napalm?
2. How much do I use
3. How or where do I apply it
4. How many time/day do I apply it.

It sounds like I should use this combo for 2 weeks then go off for 2 weeks.

Please advise
I split a bottle of Napalm into two (I had an empty one), then added 15ml to one, going a little at a time, sealing, shaking vigorously, and repeating until it was all incorporated.

Also, the general consensus is that the best way is 1 week clen-added, 1 week regular napalm, and so on. I like 3 pumps with the non-clen, 4 with the clen, and you should apply it to the areas you want to slim down most, which for most, is lower abs/love handle region. Upper abs and obliques work nice too, as does lower back. But really you can put it anywhere.

Apply it twice a day, best after you've showered and dried off.
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Cool thanks for the imput. I like clen but hate the heart rate and shakes I get. Hope this works as well without the sides.
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Cool thanks for the imput. I like clen but hate the heart rate and shakes I get. Hope this works as well without the sides.
It's awesome. I got 0 shakes, no rapid heart rate...NO sides at all, except maybe a slight headache the first two days, and that could've been any or all of 9 other things I was taking. I apply with my evening shower, right before bed, and no problems sleeping. This is definitely, THE way to go.
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new question regarding supeing up your clen (and this question may be better suited for another section, but I'll try anyway)...

HGH Frag has been shown to be incredibly effective at spot reduction, but it's administered subcutaneously in the stomach area. Would Napalm work for delivering it too, as it does with clen?
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I was told that when using liquid clen, that it doesn't fully absorb (possible to sweat it out during the day). Did you anyone notice any of this?
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I was told that when using liquid clen, that it doesn't fully absorb (possible to sweat it out during the day). Did you anyone notice any of this?
No. I put it on before work - I don't sweat riding in the car or at work.

Not sure I can think of why you couldn't absorb it all. I don't remember Avant saying anything about that.

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new question regarding supeing up your clen (and this question may be better suited for another section, but I'll try anyway)...

HGH Frag has been shown to be incredibly effective at spot reduction, but it's administered subcutaneously in the stomach area. Would Napalm work for delivering it too, as it does with clen?
I don't think so. The frag is somewhat fragile once put into solution. Can't see it living in a dermal with alcohol (I think it just bac. water to reconstitute) for a month.
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I don't think so. The frag is somewhat fragile once put into solution. Can't see it living in a dermal with alcohol (I think it just bac. water to reconstitute) for a month.
Inclined to agree here as well. The HGH frag would be ineffective if exposed to the Napalm solution, as it would likely be denatured and rendered useless.
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Inclined to agree here as well. The HGH frag would be ineffective if exposed to the Napalm solution, as it would likely be denatured and rendered useless.
Yeah, all my research turned up the same. It couldn't survive.

Oh well, no sweat! I'm on a break now and have another 4 weeks of napalm w/ and w/out clen after that, so I'm golden!
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Puft - I'll email you my after pics in 2 or 3 weeks along with the before pics of this Napalm/clen with Lipo-Y run.

You guys can use them - but on the condition that you (A) put out bulk Lipo-Y again and (B) send me some of it.
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Has anyone ran Napalm + L-clen mix with L-clen oral?
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Has anyone ran Napalm + L-clen mix with L-clen oral?
Not sure what the point would be, other than just to be able to dose clen higher, which I don't know if anyone would recommend. The whole point behind going transdermal is to eliminate those nasty sides. If you can split a bottle in half and slowly work in 30ml of 200 mcg concentration, you're getting a pretty high dose in you already.
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Puft - I'll email you my after pics in 2 or 3 weeks along with the before pics of this Napalm/clen with Lipo-Y run.

You guys can use them - but on the condition that you (A) put out bulk Lipo-Y again and (B) send me some of it.

Sounds good, but I can't make any promises. If I had to guess, I'd say the chances are slim, since I think that was a liquidation-type promo. Where in particular does your love for the Lipo-Y stem from?
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Has anyone ran Napalm + L-clen mix with L-clen oral?
In theory it can be done, but....

The reason adding clen to a topical solution like Napalm or Lipoderm is so popular is because it is much safer than taking clen orally. The deleterious side effects are mitigated almost in their entirety when clen is applied topically.

Ultimately you can do whatever your heart desires, but I'd just throw it in the Napalm like everyone else.
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Sounds good, but I can't make any promises. If I had to guess, I'd say the chances are slim, since I think that was a liquidation-type promo. Where in particular does your love for the Lipo-Y stem from?
One bottle could last 2 Napalm/clen cycles. (I plan to run Lipo-Ultra with clen later this summer just as a contrast to Napalm.)

I like the carrier - more gel-like in consistency than the last bottle of Lipo-Y I had. Easier to keep on my skin.

Napalm is a runny mess with all the clen I put in.
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How about psuedo ephedrine to napalm?
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How about psuedo ephedrine to napalm?
Nah, don't like it. The adrenergic angle is pretty well blanketed with plain old, kick ass Napalm. The obvious exception -- hence, the most potent addition -- is the beta-3 AR.
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Ok, just a few questions before I start.

I will be doing a Lipo-U/Clen one week and a Napalm (standalone) the other week (alternating weekly).

I was going to add one 30ml/200mcg (6000mcg total) to the one bottle of Lipo-U. Is this enough or should I add more (60ml)?

*Note* - I've never used clen before, but I've done 2 albuterol runs in the past.

Is one week Lipo-U/Clen (7 days) and then one week Napalm (7 days) correct?

Do I continue the recommended Lipo-U and Napalm dosage? (Lipo-U 4 pumps, 2x a day and Napalm 1-3 pumps, 1x a day?) If not, how should I dose it?

Not sure if this matters, but would there be a difference as to what compound I added the clen to? (Add it to the Lipo-U or the Napalm?)

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Puft - I'll email you my after pics in 2 or 3 weeks along with the before pics of this Napalm/clen with Lipo-Y run.

You guys can use them - but on the condition that you (A) put out bulk Lipo-Y again and (B) send me some of it.
I've heard rumors of a former AM sponsor bringing bulk Lipo-Y carrier out in a month or so.
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Guys - Got a smal (big) problem... I really want to try this but the 200mcg/ml clen I have is grape flavored ha... It is very dark colored and very grape... Is there any way I can add this to napalm or is it a loss?
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I don't see why you can't add it. Grape shouldn't make a big difference.
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I don't see why you can't add it. Grape shouldn't make a big difference.
I was worried about it being sticky or something... I don't know but its very grape which shocked me when I opened it...
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The clen will really make the napalm runny - I wouldn't worry about that aspect.
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It will be sticky and runny, but that is the course of action that was set up upon buying grape-flavoured clen.
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I was worried about it being sticky or something... I don't know but its very grape which shocked me when I opened it...
Dude, I think we may use the same source! My clen was also purple and very grape-y. Don't worry about it. Worked great for me.
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Guys - Got a smal (big) problem... I really want to try this but the 200mcg/ml clen I have is grape flavored ha... It is very dark colored and very grape... Is there any way I can add this to napalm or is it a loss?
I know where that came from. I ordered the same clen and when it arrived I was not pleased. I was more worried about staining my skin/clothing with it so I picked up another bottle of clen elsewhere.
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