I'm taking 3 Twinlab B-100 - 100 mgs of B6 per cap.

I am sure I'm holding water. I can see it when my abs relax - I'm bloated maybe an extra half inch on my waist when at rest.

Should look less bloaty in a week after Lipo-Y only.

Originally Posted by jmh80

I'm taking 3 Twinlab B-100 - 100 mgs of B6 per cap.

I am sure I'm holding water. I can see it when my abs relax - I'm bloated maybe an extra half inch on my waist when at rest.

Should look less bloaty in a week after Lipo-Y only.

Yep. Same here. I already notice a a change, but I definitely think that a week or so after I finish up I'll really see a difference. What about just taking some simple, cheap water pills either on or that first week off? Any thoughts on that?

By, the Optimus name is a MUCH better superhero name. That should be the one you use on your superhero business cards.

Originally Posted by ThisGuy02

Yep. Same here. I already notice a a change, but I definitely think that a week or so after I finish up I'll really see a difference. What about just taking some simple, cheap water pills either on or that first week off? Any thoughts on that?

By, the Optimus name is a MUCH better superhero name. That should be the one you use on your superhero business cards.

I think a water removal pill is a good idea - just maybe one or 2 per day. The water leaves on it's own as it is - the water pills would just get the process going quicker.

Damnit! Thought I was gonna be able to hold off for a while, but I'm reaching the end of my 1st bottle and the results keep on coming, so I'm not gonna stop the gravy train.

Just put in an order for a second bottle of napalm that I should have by the end of the week, decided "what the hell??", and ordered a bottle of clen hcl (30ml @ 200mcg per).

Starting Monday I'll have exactly 21 days left on this cycle, so I'm planning on splitting my new bottle 80ml/40ml and adding 15 mcg clen to the 80ml (bringing it up to 95ml). Naturally, I'll keep the other 40ml clean. The last 3 weeks will go:
1 week clen-added napalm
1 week clean
1 more week clen-added.

And I'll just reserve the extra 15ml clen for another quick 20 day run after I've taken about a month off (unless I freak out again, buy another bottle of napalm, and extend it a third time, or just run another 40 day-er).

Any thoughts on this? Is my math right as far as seperating for 3 weeks?

Originally Posted by jmh80

Grew up in south FLA - not quite Miami.

Had to go to college elsewhere (wanted to go to The U) for chemical engineering.

I live in Looziana now.

yea its already hot and humid down here. what part of LA are you living in?

Guy,
I would just add the whole bottle of clen to that part of your new Napalm bottle.

You might go ahead and order some more clen.......

Ralph,
South Looziana - no NOLA though. (Not far.)

Originally Posted by jmh80

Guy,
I would just add the whole bottle of clen to that part of your new Napalm bottle.

You might go ahead and order some more clen.......

I'm definitely not opposed to using the whole bottle of clen, but am worried about the consistency. According to what B5150 said early in this thread, past 30ml clen per 120 napalm it becomes too runny. Wouldn't that be a concern if I added a full 30ml to half the bottle?

Originally Posted by ThisGuy02

I'm definitely not opposed to using the whole bottle of clen, but am worried about the consistency. According to what B5150 said early in this thread, past 30ml clen per 120 napalm it becomes too runny. Wouldn't that be a concern if I added a full 30ml to half the bottle?

So long as the consistency is manageable, you don't have to worry. The add it in descending exponential increments while good shakes in between to ensure the viscosity is workable.

Ok, one more question. Since using the clen transdermally removes al the stimulant-like effects, can I continue taking my Venom Hyperdrive, or would that be dangerous?

It should be fine. I use the clen/napalm with Reloaded. Just take it slow use correct dosages and see how you feel on it. Although I take clen orally and take Reloaded as well with no issues.

Originally Posted by crader

It should be fine. I use the clen/napalm with Reloaded. Just take it slow use correct dosages and see how you feel on it. Although I take clen orally and take Reloaded as well with no issues.

hmm...for me venom's stronger than reloaded, but I still probably wouldn't take it along with orally-dosed clen . I guess I'll go back to the original 1 dose of venom per day, until I've had a few days to assess how it feels with the clen.

Thanks!

I've had no stimulant effects with the clen/Napalm mix.

But - you have a good plan Guy with the 1 cap/day.

Originally Posted by jmh80

I've had no stimulant effects with the clen/Napalm mix.

But - you have a good plan Guy with the 1 cap/day.

Thanks. I'm psyched to try it out. napalm straight up has done some very nice things for me in three short weeks (sad to say, I just ran out about 10 minutes ago).

Clen arrives in another 3 or 4 days, so I'm just taking the whole week off and starting with 1 week clen, 1 week regular plan from there. I figure even if it doesn't really help, a week off in between won't hurt it any.

Can't wait to see how this works!

Who knows what about powdered clen? Maybe you could PM me?

so boys we have hit the clen pretty hard, and i have it in my napalm now

but

how about cap? I was thinking of adding it as well. There is liquid roll-on cap hp, or the cream. Could the cream be a good idea to thicken the clen thinned napalm? or better to go with the liquid from the rollon for easy application?

and fitnecise posted an article on capsacian linked to some form of depression in mice or something, anyone know about this? I'll see if I can find this somewhere for comment.

Originally Posted by billm311

so boys we have hit the clen pretty hard, and i have it in my napalm now

but

how about cap? I was thinking of adding it as well. There is liquid roll-on cap hp, or the cream. Could the cream be a good idea to thicken the clen thinned napalm? or better to go with the liquid from the rollon for easy application?

and fitnecise posted an article on capsacian linked to some form of depression in mice or something, anyone know about this? I'll see if I can find this somewhere for comment.

you're a sick, sick man.

...but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested to hear how that goes!

Originally Posted by billm311

so boys we have hit the clen pretty hard, and i have it in my napalm now

but

how about cap? I was thinking of adding it as well. There is liquid roll-on cap hp, or the cream. Could the cream be a good idea to thicken the clen thinned napalm? or better to go with the liquid from the rollon for easy application?

and fitnecise posted an article on capsacian linked to some form of depression in mice or something, anyone know about this? I'll see if I can find this somewhere for comment.

Before you go balls in with the capsacin - try it by itself.

I can't use the Cap HP concentration level - waaaaaaaaaaaaay too uncomfortable.
I've not tried a lower concentration - haven't seen any in the stores.

I'd hate to see you ruin a good Napalm/clen solution.

(As an aside - the pain is a main reason why raspberry ketones are added. No real pain factor with them.)

Originally Posted by jmh80

Before you go balls in with the capsacin - try it by itself.

I'd hate to see you ruin a good Napalm/clen solution.

(As an aside - the pain is a main reason why raspberry ketones are added. No real pain factor with them.)

Agreed. I would keep it separate and just apply it before the Napalm. It's definitely not something everyone can handle.

Originally Posted by rpen22

Agreed. I would keep it separate and just apply it before the Napalm. It's definitely not something everyone can handle.

I agree. I found strait cap suspended in oil. I added a pretty minimal amount to a Lipo-Ultra/PGF-2A mix and LORD. It worked extremely well, but crying while driving to work wasn't my idea of fun!

Adams

I took heed of all of the warnings, yet felt that for some reason, I could handle it.

well, bought some .1% "HP" and ran my experiment. Small amount rubbed into stomache area - no problem, hardly an itch.

after a few minutes, rub on some thermo-glide... okay, the penetration enhancers go to work. I can feel it now... but I kinda like it. Not too bad at all. Added more cap, still good, can def feel it, but more so in certain sensative areas. Upper ab region, no prob, the closer to the "transition line" at lower end, more heat.


so I added what I estimated to be enough "pea size" globs for 12 applications, mixed it in the napalm. Tried it out later in the day. Loved the burn. Not overbearing at all. I might even add a little more, just dont want to over-do it so that it can't be tolerated.

maybe I didnt add that much? Maybe The area is somewhat desensitized from hip flexor injury, multiple icy-hot/begay/sportscreme apps?

Maybe I am just that badass

Originally Posted by billm311

Maybe I am just that badass

Haha that's possible.

I have to say though, I did the same thing on my first application and the next time I tried it, I got a little too ****y and it burned like hell.

Note- Standing in front of a fan temporarily alleviates the feelings of being engulfed in flames.

Originally Posted by rpen22

Haha that's possible.

I have to say though, I did the same thing on my first application and the next time I tried it, I got a little too ****y and it burned like hell.

Note- Standing in front of a fan temporarily alleviates the feelings of being engulfed in flames.

I'm sure I'll get burned eventually.


At what point does the napalm carrier get fully saturated? I would hate to have some of the original ingredient get displaced by adding too much clen or other.

Originally Posted by billm311

I'm sure I'll get burned eventually.


At what point does the napalm carrier get fully saturated? I would hate to have some of the original ingredient get displaced by adding too much clen or other.

Shouldn't have a problem based on the low concentration of the cap. You pain threshold will be exceeded before the bottle of Napalm is saturated.

What about adding some Y/C? Is there room? Would it help?

Originally Posted by Cool

What about adding some Y/C? Is there room? Would it help?

It's already got that in it. I wouldn't add more.

Back to the clen topic, are you supposed to feel NO sides at all, or just no stim sides? I ask because I'm on day 4, and I've had a pretty consistant headache for the past 4 days, though it's not really too bad. Also, I'm STARVING all the time! Is this normal?

Originally Posted by Cool

What about adding some Y/C? Is there room? Would it help?

Adding C would help keep the water retention down, but I'll have to check on how much you could fit in.

Regarding adding more C/Y:

Meh. Not necessary for certain, but if you got some lying around going to waste (??) then go ahead. It is particularly deleterious if you've already added clen, because you risk bumping less soluble components out of solution (and no, I don't have the solubility data off-hand, because I know people are about to ask, .)

Originally Posted by rpen22

Adding C would help keep the water retention down, but I'll have to check on how much you could fit in.

This is a good point RE: the H2O. If the water is more than a mere cosmetic inconvenience, this would be potential worthwhile.

Can someone help explane exactly how I would mix and use this combo.

L-Clen - 30ml @ 200mcg/ml

1. How much do I mix into a bottle of Napalm?
2. How much do I use
3. How or where do I apply it
4. How many time/day do I apply it.

It sounds like I should use this combo for 2 weeks then go off for 2 weeks.

Please advise