Originally Posted by jmh80

In other words - I look like my dead grandmother in a few minutes in water.

So wrong but so hilarious! hahaha you have me crackin up over here bro!

I'm thinking of adding some liquid Albuterol to my napalm and lipo ultra how many ML do you suggest?

Originally Posted by applesmack23

I'm thinking of adding some liquid Albuterol to my napalm and lipo ultra how many ML do you suggest?

Don't think that works very well. Loki answered that on here (I think) but if not - it's at M&M.net

I know this is a Napalm thread but has anyone tried it with Eviscerate yet?

Originally Posted by B5150

A bottle of Napalm is 120ml. If you add 30ml more that is an additional 25% more volume. Adjust your dose by an additional 25% to continue to get the same amount of Napalm actives.

Max recommended dose of Napalm is 6ml/day (3ml x 2/d). Take 6ml x 25% more = 7.5ml/day (3.75ml x 2/d)

An other way is this way; 120ml lasts 20 days at the max doses of 6ml/day (3ml x 2/d). When you add 30ml to 120ml you have a total of 150ml. Divide that by 20 days for 7.5ml/day (3.75ml x 2/d)

This this way, 1mL=20mcg clen so you would be dosing 150mcg of clen a day

how many mcg of clen do you guys recommend dosing a day?

Im assuming that most ppl are dosing it at 6mL a day with 120 total mL and 3,000mcg of clen so that would be 25mcg/mL and 6 pumps would =150mcg a day?

150mcg's per day should be fine as systematic absorption is quite low but as with anything,one should start at the lowest dose and slowly increase as desired.

Originally Posted by warbird01

This this way, 1mL=20mcg clen so you would be dosing 150mcg of clen a day

how many mcg of clen do you guys recommend dosing a day?

Im assuming that most ppl are dosing it at 6mL a day with 120 total mL and 3,000mcg of clen so that would be 25mcg/mL and 6 pumps would =150mcg a day?

Originally Posted by Colin

150mcg's per day should be fine as systematic absorption is quite low but as with anything,one should start at the lowest dose and slowly increase as desired.

I know with oral ppl usually go like 40/60/80/ect

What do you think should be the pyramiding scheme for topical?

Is no one doing this any more?

I mean someone has to have some info...

Originally Posted by warbird01

I know with oral ppl usually go like 40/60/80/ect

What do you think should be the pyramiding scheme for topical?

I just put half the dose for the first half week to week and then went to the dose I intended for the rest of the clen/Napalm cycle.

I don't think I even ramped down.

I added 3 mgs of clen to the napalm and then calculated the dilution effect and then worked back to get to how many squirts it would take for the normal 4 pumps/day dose of Napalm. I think it was like 6 or something.

Anyway - so I started with 3 pumps, let's say, for the first bit and then just went to 6 and stayed there.


You will need a bigger bottle to mix the clen with the Napalm. I used an old Penetrate bottle but whatever works.

Originally Posted by jmh80

I just put half the dose for the first half week to week and then went to the dose I intended for the rest of the clen/Napalm cycle.

I don't think I even ramped down.

I added 3 mgs of clen to the napalm and then calculated the dilution effect and then worked back to get to how many squirts it would take for the normal 4 pumps/day dose of Napalm. I think it was like 6 or something.

Anyway - so I started with 3 pumps, let's say, for the first bit and then just went to 6 and stayed there.


You will need a bigger bottle to mix the clen with the Napalm. I used an old Penetrate bottle but whatever works.

so were you applying 2x a day? And 6 pumps/day would = 120mcg clen/day (20mcg a pump)

Originally Posted by warbird01

so were you applying 2x a day? And 6 pumps/day would = 120mcg clen/day (20mcg a pump)

F*ck ya brah. So much on one application for the 3 pumps. I'd have to bathe in the sh*t for 2 applications.

I guess. I did do a bottle later with 5 mgs of clen. That's what F'ed my hands up.

Originally Posted by jmh80

F*ck ya brah. So much on one application for the 3 pumps. I'd have to bathe in the sh*t for 2 applications.

I guess. I did do a bottle later with 5 mgs of clen. That's what F'ed my hands up.

SOrry i dont understand you post. so you were dosing 3 pumps 2x a day? can you tell me what times you applied at?

Originally Posted by warbird01

I know with oral ppl usually go like 40/60/80/ect

What do you think should be the pyramiding scheme for topical?

No,this is not really an issue,considering the low amount of clen that is systematically absorbed.

You can use Napalm/clen for several months,as long as you cycle it with a week off after a week on.Lipoderm ULTRA,Dermatherm Target,Eviscerate or Lipoderm-Y would be good for the time between Napalm/clen.

Would E/C be hitting the same receptors? Low dosed 50-75 mg E? Too much? I'm also wanting to use some alpha-yohimbe (RPN), any suggestions?

I'm thinking 7 days clen solution + AY, 7 days (no clen) solution E/C + AY, repeat.

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Bump. Can I use E/C when I cycle off the solution or will that defeat the purpose?

So how many mcg should one apply for their first application? I'm thinking 100mcg in 3 pumps upon waking up?

Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt

does clen transdermally have any of the anti catabolic effects taking it orally does?

Originally Posted by Colin

Where The Napalm/clen is applied,it would have the same effects as oral usage

Otherwise,no.

serious? One of the main reasons I thought ppl ran clen was because of its anticatabolic/mildly anabolic effects. I have seen ppl run 1500 cal diets and gains streangth (200+lb dudes)

so you are saying that topical clen will just preserve muscle in the applied area?...damn...

Originally Posted by warbird01

serious? One of the main reasons I thought ppl ran clen was because of its anticatabolic/mildly anabolic effects. I have seen ppl run 1500 cal diets and gains streangth (200+lb dudes)

so you are saying that topical clen will just preserve muscle in the applied area?...damn...

Clen is used by most for fat loss but it also has milder effects on hypertrohy and strength gains as well.Topically applied clen in a localized carrier will infer ALL of the benefits that clen imparts with oral usage(muscle retention,fat loss) on the application site.

As one is not imbibing 100mg of clen per day as one would need with oral dosing to see such signifigant benefits,side effects are greatly minimized with localized/topical application while still allowing for maximal effect on the desired localized area.

Originally Posted by Cool

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Bump. Can I use E/C when I cycle off the solution or will that defeat the purpose?

bump

Originally Posted by Cool

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Bump. Can I use E/C when I cycle off the solution or will that defeat the purpose?

5 day bump

I'd stay off the ephedrine while taking the AY/clen break brah.

Maybe take the eph after coming off

You can alternate clen and ephedrine though - lots of people do it. I'm just thinking the AY addition is going to be potent. Wouldn't want you to over do it.

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Right, not (topical) clen/AY/E all at once. I was thinking of using the E when cycling off the topical clen/AY.

Originally Posted by Cool

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Right, not (topical) clen/AY/E all at once. I was thinking of using the E when cycling off the topical clen/AY.

im pretty sure E and clen hit the same receptors, so i wouldnt run E on the 2 weeks off period

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But, with the dermal, I think it wears down site specific receptors. I THINK orally, it wears down different ones.

I'm realy not sure about this,I'll check with Savage for ya.

It's the same receptors. The main difference is the nature of the delivery (e.g. trans vs oral). The carrier is primarily localized, but some will inevitably be absorbed systemically. You can use E during the time off, but I'd avoid overloading the stims, which is one of the reasons for the carriers in the first place.

Examples:

Week 1
Naplam/Clen mix
Non-stim supplements (e.g. forskolin, TTA, SesaThin, etc)

Week 2
Napalm (w/o clen) or Lipo-U
Non-stim supplements

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Note: using stims for a pre-WO purpose is different than using them as the basis for a cutting stack.

Yeah, clen and E hit the same receptors, just in different ways and there is an obvious difference in delivery methods, as well.

And as Rodja said, you can probably use E during off times, but don't go overboard. Just cycling off the dermal is probably good enough to give the localized receptors time to upregulate.

Can you guys tell me how many MG's of nicotine to buy to then grind and extract?

I've seen 4 mg lozenges at various amounts - 160 and 110 or in that ball park.

Want to add nicotine to something - just not sure which dermal.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by jmh80

Can you guys tell me how many MG's of nicotine to buy to then grind and extract?

I've seen 4 mg lozenges at various amounts - 160 and 110 or in that ball park.

Want to add nicotine to something - just not sure which dermal.

Thanks.

IMHO,ideal results would be seen with 4mg nicotine per mL of solution.This works out to 250mg nicotine per bottle of Lipo or Napalm.Please keep us posted on your progress,if you do follow through with this.

i know the effects are just felt topically on the location applied but does this raise BP at all?