[ub6ib91]

Napalm, Lipoderm Y, Lipoderm Ultra (I will also add cap with it)

My situation is,

I am a competitive bodybuilder, and when i cut down, my abs surprisingly always are the last to dial in. I can have striated glutes before completely shredded abs. Anyway, i was in the middle of bulking and got threw a curveball and have a very short time period to get into relatively good shape for a photo shoot. I will be using AAS to cut down, (Test/tren/t3). But at the same time, i wont be in a severe caloric deficit, slightly above maintenance because you can do that on AAS and I am looking to hold all muscle as i only have to get down to 8-10%ish bf wise.

Would any of these be bennifical if im eating slightly above maintenance? Keep in mind, using Test/Tren/T3 as well as OTC fat burners because clen messes me up bad.

Thanks guys for any help possible!

[Rodja]

Napalm for 2 weeks and then Lipo-U for 2 weeks. Also, you can add clen into the carrier without having the systemic effects associated with it.

[Colin]

I would use Napalm spiked with clenbuterol (8mL's at 200mcg per mL,caps won't work) for two weeks then use capsaican+ LipodermULTRA or regular Napalm for two weeks as clen tolerance sets in after 2 weeks,as you likely know.

As you are using androgens,T3 and OTC fat burners you can (if you're a meso) get away with still reaping benefit from fat loss transdermals.I will stiplulate that overfeeding can only be done once or twice at the most,per week,in order to consistently lose fat.

This is accounting for diet being clean with cardio and training dialed in.

[Stay Puft]

Originally Posted by Rodja

Napalm for 2 weeks and then Lipo-U for 2 weeks. Also, you can add clen into the carrier without having the systemic effects associated with it.

+1 for the sound recommendation.

Hows it feel to get rec's from all the reps on the board, haha.

[Sir Savage]

Good stuff, guys.

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by Colin

I would use Napalm spiked with clenbuterol (8mL's at 200mcg per mL,caps won't work) for two weeks then use capsaican+ LipodermULTRA or regular Napalm for two weeks as clen tolerance sets in after 2 weeks,as you likely know.

Question on this, would taking ketotifen orally prevent the clen tolerance from kicking in using it in napalm? Been pondering trying this

[ub6ib91]

Originally Posted by Colin

I would use Napalm spiked with clenbuterol (8mL's at 200mcg per mL,caps won't work) for two weeks then use capsaican+ LipodermULTRA or regular Napalm for two weeks as clen tolerance sets in after 2 weeks,as you likely know.

As you are using androgens,T3 and OTC fat burners you can (if you're a meso) get away with still reaping benefit from fat loss transdermals.I will stiplulate that overfeeding can only be done once or twice at the most,per week,in order to consistently lose fat.

This is accounting for diet being clean with cardio and training dialed in.

Thanks for the response man, much appreciated. Just a few things.

1. Why is Napalm+Cap pointless? Im guessing because of the RK, but Cap is well known to be much stronger then RK. At least personally experience in my book shows that. Is there another reason?

2. Also, I add 1600mcg of Clen to the bottle of napalm? I am aware of the tolerance.

3. Lastly, you said, "I will stiplulate that overfeeding can only be done once or twice at the most,per week,in order to consistently lose fat."

^^Can you elaborate on that. Im not sure what you meant by it. I plan on eating above maintenance everyday, but i will also be doing much more low intensity cardio. I find it much easier to loose fat while maintaining muscle this way.

Thanks bro!

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by ub6ib91

Thanks for the response man, much appreciated. Just a few things.

1. Why is Napalm+Cap pointless? Im guessing because of the RK, but Cap is well known to be much stronger then RK. At least personally experience in my book shows that. Is there another reason?

2. Also, I add 1600mcg of Clen to the bottle of napalm? I am aware of the tolerance.

3. Lastly, you said, "I will stiplulate that overfeeding can only be done once or twice at the most,per week,in order to consistently lose fat."

^^Can you elaborate on that. Im not sure what you meant by it. I plan on eating above maintenance everyday, but i will also be doing much more low intensity cardio. I find it much easier to loose fat while maintaining muscle this way.

Thanks bro!

Cap with Napalm is not pointless, but semi-redundant. If you do decide to add clen to any transdermal, then you need to cycle in the same fashion as oral clen. I am partial to a 7 on/7 off fashion for this type of usage.

When you are constantly overfeeding, your body is not in a prime state for fat loss or recomposition (depending on how much you are overfeeding, of course). Eating maintenance calories while still adding the cardio would be a better idea or even a carb-cycling plan.

[Stay Puft]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Question on this, would taking ketotifen orally prevent the clen tolerance from kicking in using it in napalm? Been pondering trying this

Yes, but to a lesser degree than whilst taking the clen orally.

Since Napalm limits the distribution of the actives contained therein (ie Clen, if you've spiked it), the level of AR downregulation is also limited to the isolated areas of application. In that scene, I wouldn't expect result typical of the oral/oral dosing protocol.

However, and most importantly, it will help. The distribution of ketotifen will be fully systemic, inclusive to the abdominal areas with highly activated AR's. It will likely allow you to extend the usage of spiked Lipoderm/Napalm beyond the currently recommended 1 week on, 1 week off.

[EasyEJL]

If I had lipoderm u and napalm both, which would be the better choice to spike with clen?

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

If I had lipoderm u and napalm both, which would be the better choice to spike with clen?

I would spike which ever on you haven't used before.

[Colin]

Originally Posted by ub6ib91

Thanks for the response man, much appreciated. Just a few things.

1. Why is Napalm+Cap pointless? Im guessing because of the RK, but Cap is well known to be much stronger then RK. At least personally experience in my book shows that. Is there another reason?

2. Also, I add 1600mcg of Clen to the bottle of napalm? I am aware of the tolerance.

3. Lastly, you said, "I will stiplulate that overfeeding can only be done once or twice at the most,per week,in order to consistently lose fat."

^^Can you elaborate on that. Im not sure what you meant by it. I plan on eating above maintenance everyday, but i will also be doing much more low intensity cardio. I find it much easier to loose fat while maintaining muscle this way.

Thanks bro!

No problem brah,you're quite welcome

1)
I worded my response a bit too strongly,Rodja's take on it of "semi-redundant" fits better.Cap may be more effective than RK but not by all that much.IMHO the pain and inconvienience doesn't justify its use in Napalm.

2)
16mL's of clen if it's 100mcg per Ml or 8mL's if it's 200mcg's per mL.Either way,shake the hell out of it before each application.

3)
I had thought you were were in a caloric deficit most days of the week with 1 or 2 refeeds per week.Not everyone can lose fat while on anabolic steroids eating above maintainance,solely b/c of the increased nutrient partitioning so you have the advantage of being a mesomorph w/exceptional genetics.I also didn't know you were doing a ton of cardio which obviously plays a big role.

If you're doing cardio ED while eating above maintainance and you say you have taken this approach in the past rendering successfully cuts for shows then so be it.I'm envious

As Rodja pointed out,you could get leaner a good deal faster by lowering kcals to maintainance a couple days per week or doing a Carb Cycling diet.

[Stay Puft]

Originally Posted by Rodja

I would spike which ever on you haven't used before.

Agreed.

They have the same chemical 'base' or carrier, so it won't matter which you use it in, however I like Rod's suggestion since you'll get an appropriate gauge of the quality that is Napalm as a standalone (I'm clearly assuming you haven't tried the newer version of our topicals).