[witt51]

i never tried a transdermal and was looking to doing napalm/clen together. do you still experiance the same sides from clen when adding it to a transdermal?

[Stay Puft]

Certainly not witt. The local carrier keeps a large quotient of the dosage at the site of application, thus mitigating the potential systemic sides of clenbuterol.

See this thread for some more info on the old school methods (with Lipoderm).

Lastly, this is a WELL timed question, as I just penned a blog entry about this very topic. It should be posted at www.avantresearch.com within a few days (our excellent technical staff is taking well deserved Holidays).

[witt51]

thanks. i will check it out. that was the only thing holding back from trying it out.

[crader]

I have used a Napalm, clen, cap combo with good results and no sides!! Good stuff!

[Rock Head]

Originally Posted by crader

I have used a Napalm, clen, cap combo with good results and no sides!! Good stuff!

Please explain process of combining as I have Napalm on hand and have began using it.

[B5150]

Clen @100mcg/ml

30ml Clen + 120ml Naplam + Shake vigorously before each application.

[crader]

Originally Posted by B5150

Clen @100mcg/ml

30ml Clen + 120ml Naplam + Shake vigorously before each application.

This is a good start but You can also add cap if you need more as a boost! B5150's got a really good starting point! Napalm is good stuff and is a good delivery system for clen with non-systemic sides! I add cap because I have used many tanning tinglers and feel no pain from it.

[B5150]

Originally Posted by crader

This is a good start but You can also add cap if you need more as a boost! B5150's got a really good starting point! Napalm is good stuff and is a good delivery system for clen with non-systemic sides! I add cap because I have used many tanning tinglers and feel no pain from it.

What form of cap are you using and how much do you use?

[Rock Head]

I read through the whole thread that someone linked to above. I think that I will try cap HP with Napalm/clen. I will alternate the Nap/clen and just Napalm weekly as it appeared that the best results were achieved that way. After reading it is kind of scary to use the cap, but I guess I will know how much it is worth it to get rid of some of this midsection fat. Can't believe that the one guy lost 4" in just over a month to his waist.
I do need to look up a little more info on Clen just to be sure that I am aware of potential sides/ overall benefits.

[crader]

Originally Posted by B5150

What form of cap are you using and how much do you use?

Capzacin HP in cream form. I use about a quarters size of it per application.

[B5150]

Originally Posted by crader

Capzacin HP in cream form. I use about a quarters size of it per application.

OH!

I've used that too. I grew tired of the multiple product applications after a few weeks. It is effective. Weren't the ketones intended to be an effective alternate to capsascin without the burn (and/or the need to use the HP cream)?

I was getting the impression you had some cap that you were adding to the Napalm. Maybe someone you know could source some capsascin powder.

EDIT: Capzasin-Hp Cream contains Capsaicin (0.075%) -- A 1.5oz (45ml) bottle would contain ~34mg/ml. So a 120ml bottle of Napalm would need 4g (~34mg x 120ml = 4g Cap) to equate to the same concentration that HP has.

No more Capzasin-Hp Cream!!!

[crader]

I could probably souce the cap powder but I'm the only one that cares for it . So I would be ruled out on putting it in a bottle of Napalm for household use I honestly don't feel the pain that others get from it but Matt does. So no powder for me

[crader]

Ketones are effective but imho not as useful as the cap. Maybe used together they would be a good combo for me. But I tend to go all out on the transdermal actives.

We are actually considering the cap oil/powder to use as a tingler additive in our fat burning tanning lotion. But we don't want to alienate the market for the people who hate tinglers. Its a tough call.

[Stay Puft]

Originally Posted by crader

Ketones are effective but imho not as useful as the cap. Maybe used together they would be a good combo for me. But I tend to go all out on the trasdermal actives.

As was alluded to above, the RK's are certainly in Napalm due to their noted ability to induce similar intracellular events as it's structural relative, capsaicin.

They were chosen in favour of the cap due to the pain factor -- essentially re-creating much of what adding Cap has to offer, without the negatives. It was a business decision in which we ultimately felt Napalm was a better overall product with RK's.

[crader]

Originally Posted by Stay Puft

As was alluded to above, the RK's are certainly in Napalm due to their noted ability to induce similar intracellular events as it's structural relative, capsaicin.

They were chosen in favour o