[CHAPS]

So i've got 2 bottles of clen/ketotifen 100mcg clen/1mg ketotifen per ml, would that be ok to mix in with lipo-derm ultra or will the ketotifen mess with things? I'm also going to use the cap cream with it. If not no biggy i'll just get straight clen.

[macedaddy]

DAMN CHAPS! youa re really trying to cut weight! first it was clen with leviathan now THIS!?!?!?!?

[dsade]

Topical Ketotifen?

[CHAPS]

Still using the clen/ketotifen+Leviathan and it's friggin awesome! I just wanted to try out the spooky lipo-derm when i hit a bit of a sticking point with some stubborn fat, right now all is good and it's drippin off .

[NoSwtTea4U]

Clen and Leviathan at the same time?

[FitnFirm]

spooky scary coo coo what is the world coming too !!!

[macedaddy]

Originally Posted by CHAPS

Still using the clen/ketotifen+Leviathan and it's friggin awesome! I just wanted to try out the spooky lipo-derm when i hit a bit of a sticking point with some stubborn fat, right now all is good and it's drippin off .

i cant bring myself to do the leviathan WHILE clen, too! I do the leviathan on OFF days! I dose clen 2 days on, 2 days off and leviathan on the off days.

I hope i never run into you in a dark alley, you are one crazy cat!

[CHAPS]

Originally Posted by macedaddy

i cant bring myself to do the leviathan WHILE clen, too! I do the leviathan on OFF days! I dose clen 2 days on, 2 days off and leviathan on the off days.

I hope i never run into you in a dark alley, you are one crazy cat!

I'm using the leviathan mainly for the yohimbine hcl content and it's nice smooth energy, the ketotifen makes me a zombie and the leviathan slaps me out of the daze. I LOVE leviathan best OTC fatburner i've EVER used. I doubt i'll need the spooky lipo-derm seeing as how things are going but i was also wondering for a friend of mine who is a female bodybuilder as she was asking about it as well. Ya the fat is just falling off me now But ya i sweat like a friggin pig 24/7, i can only sleep with a sheet and i'm soak through my shirt first thing in the morning and stay like that all day, lol. It's gross but hey whatever it works. I'm doing 5 days of weights 4sets 8-12 reps of everything and 20 minutes cardio post-workout while sipping on 10-12 scoops Xtend throughout the entire workout. Switching back to high volume from DC has made a HUGE difference for me with fatloss, with DC i was doing TONS of cardio and the fat was still being a pain, so ya high volume is still king for fatloss and i'm still lifting as heavy as possible to maintain if not build a tad of muscle.


And mace i'm not just trying to get lean i want like contest lean, i've never gotten THAT lean so that's the goal then i'll bulk from their, from now on i'm not letting my bf go over 12% or so, i've really had to cut down in the past year from over doing it with the bulking and doing the see food diet on my last bulk, lol.

And ya i AM friggin jacked 24/7 lol But the leviathan doesn't put me on edge like most burners it puts me in a damn good mood which is soooooooooo cool.

[macedaddy]

Originally Posted by CHAPS

I'm using the leviathan mainly for the yohimbine hcl content and it's nice smooth energy, the ketotifen makes me a zombie and the leviathan slaps me out of the daze. I LOVE leviathan best OTC fatburner i've EVER used. I doubt i'll need the spooky lipo-derm seeing as how things are going but i was also wondering for a friend of mine who is a female bodybuilder as she was asking about it as well. Ya the fat is just falling off me now But ya i sweat like a friggin pig 24/7, i can only sleep with a sheet and i'm soak through my shirt first thing in the morning and stay like that all day, lol. It's gross but hey whatever it works. I'm doing 5 days of weights 4sets 8-12 reps of everything and 20 minutes cardio post-workout while sipping on 10-12 scoops Xtend throughout the entire workout. Switching back to high volume from DC has made a HUGE difference for me with fatloss, with DC i was doing TONS of cardio and the fat was still being a pain, so ya high volume is still king for fatloss and i'm still lifting as heavy as possible to maintain if not build a tad of muscle.


And mace i'm not just trying to get lean i want like contest lean, i've never gotten THAT lean so that's the goal then i'll bulk from their, from now on i'm not letting my bf go over 12% or so, i've really had to cut down in the past year from over doing it with the bulking and doing the see food diet on my last bulk, lol.

And ya i AM friggin jacked 24/7 lol But the leviathan doesn't put me on edge like most burners it puts me in a damn good mood which is soooooooooo cool.

i'll have to add the leviathan in on other days.........i am hurting now from a "bulk" gone wrong, too..........that see food diet as you speak of.......

thanks for the pointers and good luck with your journey!

[FitnFirm]

Secret is = CARDIO Biatches !!!!!!! LOL

[CHAPS]

Originally Posted by FitnFirm

Secret is = CARDIO Biatches !!!!!!! LOL

Oh ya i hear ya i'm doing 20 minutes post-workout 5 days a week workin up to 45 minutes then when that isn't enough i'll throw in morning sessions as well. I was doing way more cardio before and not losing as well as i am now by upping training volume.

[Stay Puft]

Edit: I was wrong with my initial assumption.

It turns out that "In the form of hydrogen fumarate it is readily soluble in water." This is a good thing with respect to its efficacy for the use under investigation. You can guinea pig it, let us know if the results are noticeably better than standard SpookyDerm.

Best of Luck Bro .

[Gutterpump]

Originally Posted by NoSwtTea4U

Clen and Leviathan at the same time?

Clen + Yohimbe = awesomeness

At least for me since I need an extra kick before workouts and in the morning, even while on clen. Depends on how stims affect you I guess.

Today I'll be dosing my RPM pre-workout while on clen. Haven't tried this yet

[Gutterpump]

Question about lipo-derm ultra:

I was wanting to mix clen into a bottle as well, but have yet to buy this product. Is the top screw off to allow this? Also, I read it has some sort of gel in the ingredients. Will I even be able to mix external ingredients into the lipoderm ultra can/bottle or is it better just to get the bulk one to mix? I like the ingredients in the ultra version though, would rather go with that one to mix with.