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WannaBeHulk

WannaBeHulk

rollin' on dubs!
ok, i am faithful to my bodybuilding lifestyle 360 days per year. however, i will be vacationing in vegas next week wed-sun with old high school friends. last time i was in vegas was weeks after my last bodybuilding competition and i do get carried away with the buffets and partying/alcohol.

i was wondering if taking phenogen while on vacation could maybe lessen the damage that im sure to experience. would 3 caps, 3x daily be a good dose? does salvia need to be loaded into your system for awhile to be more effective or will it work instantly?
 
i also have sesathin, melting point, and R-ALA on hand and i plan on using throughout the vacation. i really cant think of anything else that might help. any additional suggestions? and is it necessary to take phenogen with or without food?
 
Bodytype? Setpoint?
 
dsade said:
Bodytype? Setpoint?
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ecto/mesomorph is my bodytype and my main interest is to avoid destroying my physique. im at about 7.5-8% bodyfat as of now and lately i have been making great progress in the gym while staying lean.

yeahright said:
SAMe, NAC and milk thistle to protect your liver.
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is this concerning health advice from the alcohol or does it have merit for nutrient partioning or metabolism benefits?

jmh80 said:
Green tea can help with insulin levels.
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yeah, i was considering this. ill probably take some with me.

im probably being a little too paranoid about this and just focus more on having a good time. oh well, thanks all for the suggestions. keep em coming!
 
I think Phenogen is geared more towards endos, but the Sesamin is definitely a good idea along with the Raspberry ketones.
 
dsade said:
I think Phenogen is geared more towards endos, but the Sesamin is definitely a good idea along with the Raspberry ketones.
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shoot, i didnt even think of rasberry ketones. too late now to order cause it wont ship til monday and i leave wednesday so i gotta work with what i have.

so are you saying phenogen wont be too effective. the description on the bottle states that people who are already lean who are looking to stay lean without a perfect diet, take 3 caps 3 times daily. i do recall avant changing their stance on this though. if nothing else, jmh80 mentions green tea extract and that is included in phenogen so i suppose it couldnt hurt to take it except maybe my wallet:whiner:
 
I never got a chance to try the Phenogen with the GTE, but when I was leaning out the original Phenogen, stacked with LG rebirth, was a great combo - even on Pizza and Beer nights.
 
TTA, Sesamin, ALA and Ephedrine seem to work well for me but I don't think I have ever been below ~9%. Just have a good time and throw a few extra cardio sessions in when ya get back. :D
 
WannaBeHulk said:
is this concerning health advice from the alcohol or does it have merit for nutrient partioning or metabolism benefits?
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Alcohol. I really don't think that a week of Vegas buffets is going to do all that much damage to your physique.....but the alcohol/smoke in Vegas will screw you up immediately. So, my counsel was on counteracting those issues.

Relax, enjoy yourself.
 
yeahright said:
Alcohol. I really don't think that a week of Vegas buffets is going to do all that much damage to your physique.....but the alcohol/smoke in Vegas will screw you up immediately. So, my counsel was on counteracting those issues.

Relax, enjoy yourself.
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good advice... the alcohol consumption is my biggest concern and im gonna try and limit myself to 2 nights of drinking. 2 out of 5 aint bad considering its vegas.

thanks for your advice also bp. great suggestions!
 
i would be carefull with the MP and alchohol. MP is a uncoupler. Uncouplers raise oxidative stress in the liver. For small portion of the population uncouplers have a very bad impact as a result of the raised oxidative stress on Liver, resulting in Liver Damage and even Liver failure on a few occasions. I am one of those...8 weeks of use of TTA brought my AST/ALT levels to 653/384.

I highly don't recomend combining it with alchohol.
 
Since you are an OSU* fan - I shouldn't be helping you.







But - since you are a weightlifter, I'll give in. Just get some regular green tea if you are really under a budget (as a college kid - you definately are). Don't worry about the extract. (Unless you want to get a bottle of the Wal-mart brand - which is like 90 caps for $3.)
 
jmh80 said:
Since you are an OSU* fan - I shouldn't be helping you.
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haha, we are heading to tempe after we destroy michigan!!! is someone still bitter about the 2002 fiesta bowl? hell of a game, i was there. anywho, miami finally got it together and looked like its usual dominating team. we'll see if they keep that up, they have the talent for sure.
 
kabuki said:
i would be carefull with the MP and alchohol. MP is a uncoupler. Uncouplers raise oxidative stress in the liver. For small portion of the population uncouplers have a very bad impact as a result of the raised oxidative stress on Liver, resulting in Liver Damage and even Liver failure on a few occasions. I am one of those...8 weeks of use of TTA brought my AST/ALT levels to 653/384.

I highly don't recomend combining it with alchohol.
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i cant thank you enough for the heads up on that. karma coming your way. looks like ill be dropping the melting point. thanks again!
 
I'd probably do a little bit of SesaThin with Phenogen.

Phenogen turned out to be more of an "anti-getting fat" supplement than the R & D boys originally thought so it would be good for this situation.
 
Yup - color me not an OSU* fan ever (nor most of your fans from the sounds of it. Cheering after McGahee's injury is totally dispicable.)

Regardless of my hatred - have fun in Vegas.



(Hopefully we'll be rid of this virus that is Larry Coker in time to give you guys a game in the Orange Bowl in 2010.)
 
Sir Savage said:
I'd probably do a little bit of SesaThin with Phenogen.

Phenogen turned out to be more of an "anti-getting fat" supplement than the R & D boys originally thought so it would be good for this situation.
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thats good news. thanks sir savage for the input. i was hoping you or par would chime in but i know avant is super busy these days. is phenogen something that needs to be loaded into your system or will it work instantly?
 
jmh80 said:
Yup - color me not an OSU* fan ever (nor most of your fans from the sounds of it. Cheering after McGahee's injury is totally dispicable.)
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yeah, that was messed up considering that was almost a career ending injury. didnt ken dorsey get hurt as well? that passers interference call in OT was also questionable but nonetheless, im very happy with the outcome of that game. it was the best national championship game EVER!
 
WannaBeHulk said:
thats good news. thanks sir savage for the input. i was hoping you or par would chime in but i know avant is super busy these days. is phenogen something that needs to be loaded into your system or will it work instantly?
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No prob.

Nah, you don't have to "load" it, so to speak, but I'd probably start taking it a day or two before you anticipate the gorging will start.
 
Sir Savage said:
No prob.

Nah, you don't have to "load" it, so to speak, but I'd probably start taking it a day or two before you anticipate the gorging will start.
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alright, ill do just that. ok, i better get myself away from the OU-Texas game and hit the gym. ill comment on the results when i return from vegas.
 
Yeah - UGa rules.

They just took it all up the rear from the Vols.

I'm writing an email to our athletic dept. to go get David Cutcliff to coach at Miami next year.

Ainge is a vastly improved QB this year. I'm very, very impressed w/ Cutcliff.
 
last question: do i dose phenogen with meals or on an emoty stomach? the bottle doesnt specify so my guess would be thats its not important but just wanna make sure.
 
jmh80 said:
Yeah - UGa rules.

They just took it all up the rear from the Vols.

I'm writing an email to our athletic dept. to go get David Cutcliff to coach at Miami next year.

Ainge is a vastly improved QB this year. I'm very, very impressed w/ Cutcliff.
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UGA rules but our coaching staff is idiotic this year.

How can you not have at least a decent QB lined up after DJ Shockley??? You KNOW the guy is leaving so it's time to find new talent.
 
WannaBeHulk said:
last question: do i dose phenogen with meals or on an emoty stomach? the bottle doesnt specify so my guess would be thats its not important but just wanna make sure.
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Don't really think it's that important.
 
Dude - UGa got trucked. If it weren't for UT's bad special teams - the score would have been 51 to 14.

UGa sucks.
Richt isn't God.
 
You are banned!!!!!!!!!!!

Just kiddin'.

But I agree that Richt isn't God. I think he's moronic for letting this year's team go to ****.
 
I'm not sold on him really being a top notch coach.

I think he maybe, maybe wins one national title in 20 years. But, that is CLEARLY good enough for UGa fans.
So - you are probably stuck with him. Unless, Bobby Bowden tabs him to replace him at FSU when Boobuh kicks the curb.
 
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