WEll Napalm did it for me last time took 3-4 inches off. I then did a slight bulk after by cut cycle and gained about 5 solid pounds. luckily my waist didn't go up at least not enough that I couldn't fit comfortablly into the same size jeans. Now I have opened my 2nd bottle of Napalm and giving it some help via SNS's TTA. let's hope this bottle brings out my elusive obliques and last two abs. I have a solid 4 pack right now. took me 13 weeks of cardio and diet to get there and I think this combo will be the final part needed.