Carnobolic, beter than regular beta-alanine?
- 07-26-2011, 09:28 PM
- 07-27-2011, 11:56 AM
Hi, You can see more info on the product here http://www.athleticxtreme.com/forum/...82/#post-98570
That thread is pretty detailed on what it is and what it does but feel free to ask anything else u might have questions about.
The main reported effect of carno has been the increase in reps per exercise due to less "burn" without the beta alanine tingles.
Keep us posted on how it works out for you.
edit* Also I'm thinking that if you've already been taking Beta Alanine I suppose the main difference you can expect to feel is the absence of the tingles because your already loaded up on carnosine. It is basically to the same end but without loading time or parasthesia.
- 07-28-2011, 05:32 PM
After a while, the "tingles" subside with BA.
Effectiveness of BA is still limited by Histidine.
As Mrodz said, you'd notice an increase in endurance and exercise capacity. If you are training high weight, low reps, the body does not have enough time to resort to lactates for energy, and you're not going to notice much.
I mean, if you're doing 10 reps, and carnobolic increases the anaerobic capacity by 10% (arbitrary number, for example purpose), you'd be punching out one extra rep. If you're doing 5 reps, that 10% boost wouldn't give any extra reps.
Other things to point out are the dosing/timing. I find Carnobolic works best when taken about 45 minutes prior to working out, on an empty stomach. If taken too early or with food, the effects are greatly diminished.
07-31-2011, 10:16 AM
Carnobolic is a great alternative to Beta-Alanine products for those who doesn't like the tingling feeling from it, but still wants the increased anaerobic effects from it. I'm a person who does heavy lifting with few reps, but I still benefit from it. For me, it cranks up the intensity of the workout by reducing the time I need between the sets.
I do believe that many think the products fails cause they don't "feel" anything... Ypu won't notice any effects until you do some real training, but you will experience the effects the first day of use...
Feel free to experiment a bit with how many caps and the time prior to training.. But Bob's suggestion is solid, 45 min before workout on an empty stomach!
08-06-2011, 11:01 AM
08-08-2011, 01:16 AM
the amount in typcical preworkout doesnt do anything. you need between 4-6 gram. justn dont take all 6g at once! if i take biggest dose i ever took at once was 4g and that was a little uncomfortable. it also takes weeks for reg beta-alanine to start working effectively.
08-08-2011, 11:30 AM
08-09-2011, 04:33 PM
Interesting study published on ErgoLog showing carnosine out preformed beta alanine. AX then takes the carnosine and makes it more available via the delivery system that helps bypass the gastric acid breakdown.
Chemical bodybuilders do all sorts of things to their body that make doctors shudder, but most of them are a picture of health. This may be not just because weight training is healthy, but also because of the supplements bodybuilders take. Studies have shown that creatine, glucosamine and BCAAs extend life expectancy.
And, according to British and Russian scientists, the same is true for carnosine.
In 2000 the researchers published the result of an animal study they had done in Biochemistry. They had given short-lived SAMP 1 mice supplements in their drinking water throughout their lives. One group was given a mixture of beta-alanine [structural formula above on the right] and histidine, and the other group got carnosine [structural formula below on the right]. The mice were given 100 mg/kg bodyweight of the mixture or of the carnosine.
Carnosine is a dipeptide with a whole range of interesting properties. In the muscles, it works as a buffer. The more carnosine there is in your muscles, the harder you can train and with better results.
If you take beta-alanine, enzymes in your muscle cells attach a histidine molecule to it, and carnosine is formed. Humans have so much histidine in their body that taking extra histidine has no effect on carnosine synthesis as a result of beta-alanine supplementation. Carnosine used to be prohibitively expensive, which is why only beta-alanine supplements were available.
But carnosine has become cheaper and now it’s possible to buy beta-alanine supplements that also contain pure carnosine.
Carnosine not only has positive effects on muscle tissue. According to studies done in the nineties, carnosine 'rejuvenates' aging cells. It ups the rate of energy processes and makes cells more resilient to the formation of plaques as happens in atherosclerosis or Alzheimer's. In addition, carnosine inhibits the formation of undesirable protein-sugar compounds, and thus helps fight problems related to aging like eye disease and wrinkle formation. [Biochemistry (Mosc). 2000 Jul; 65(7): 869-71.]
Well. Back to the British-Russian study. The researchers, who by the way around the same time announced that fruit flies live longer if given carnosine, discovered that mice live on average 20 percent longer if they are given carnosine in their drinking water [a]. A supplement containing a mix of beta-alanine and histidine [b] was less effective. The mice in the b-group hardly lived any longer than the mice in the control group [c].
The table above reveals that carnosine supplementation reduced the likelihood of visible signs of aging in the mice. "Carnosine acts as a true antioxidant protector rather than as an anabolic drug", the researchers write. How exactly the supplementation made the mice live longer, the researchers didn't study.
08-30-2011, 07:49 PM
08-30-2011, 09:55 PM
Why would it be counter productive? Because it has beta-alanine in it?
08-30-2011, 10:04 PM
Forgive my question, I guess I am as smart as you guys that can make sense of all this. I take it from your response, that it would be ok to stack them. In the interim I await more responses, thanks for your input though.
08-30-2011, 11:28 PM
No such thing as a dumb question.
The only thing I really see is that both contain theobromine, which can increase heart rate. I don't think it's going to be a big deal, but some are more sensitive than others.
08-30-2011, 11:50 PM
Now don't get me wrong, I have stacked them before. I stacked the carnobolic with the mesomorph and creatine nitrate (both from the same company), and also hemorage ultra, and I loved it. I love that tingle from beta alanine .But you know, just because you like something, does not mean it is good for you, lol. Thanks again for the feedback.
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