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    Hi, I was planning on the following stack and wanted some feedback before diving in.

    Drive - Applied Nutriceuticals
    RPM - Applied Nutriceuticals
    IGF-2 - Applied Nutriceuticals
    NeoVar - Applied Nutriceuticals
    Lean Xtreme - Designer Supplements
    DCP - RPN
    Relora - Now Foods
    Ashwagandha - Now Foods
    Purple Warth - Controlled Labs
    Activite Sport - MHP

    Here are the particulars for me. I am 40 year old, 210lbs, 5'7", 32% body fat and Total Test is 193. I am also somewhat muscular since I have always lifted weights but never really took supplements. However, I have a lot of my bodyfat mostly in the abdomen area, probably due to stress and cortisol. My goal is too loose the body fat (get it under 20% for the first time in my life), while not loosing too much weight. Ideally, I'd like to be btwn 190-200 lbs while adding some more muscle and losing the fat.

    Other things to consider: I am little concerned about anything that might make me a little too aggressive (I have a bit of a short fuse). I also do not sleep that well at night so I am a little concerned about anything that might keep me up at night and I am sometimes depressed (although since I started working out again and cleaned up my diet a bit I am feel much better, but the sleep is still sometimes irregular).

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    Its kind of a bit much to jump all in at once with honestly for your first venture into supplements. Given the specifics of what you are looking at, i'd probably go with drive, IGF-2, DCP and relora to start with at most.

    Really diet + exercise are key, the supplements just add some extra helping hands. Without good diet + exercise plans, even steroids are useless. So give us some more specifics on those
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Its kind of a bit much to jump all in at once with honestly for your first venture into supplements. Given the specifics of what you are looking at, i'd probably go with drive, IGF-2, DCP and relora to start with at most.

    Really diet + exercise are key, the supplements just add some extra helping hands. Without good diet + exercise plans, even steroids are useless. So give us some more specifics on those
    I am lifting about 30-45 minutes per day with 20-25 minutes of cardio at the end. I am doing a three day split: Legs/Chest & BACK/Shoulders, Tri's & Bi's. I usually take one day off during the week and usually do one day of HIIT (no weights on that day) followed with abs. As for calories, I'd say that I am somewhere btwn 2400 - 3000 per day but that's just a rough estimate with no cookies,cake, diet soda, chocolate, etc.
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    Anyone else? What about the other usual suspects from AN?

    Thank you.
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    umm If you dont have a lot of supp experience I would suggest starting out simple and working your way up to a more aggressive plan as you progress, remember simplicity is the key to success!! That and a proper diet/ exercise program...Anyhow, Good Luck!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Its kind of a bit much to jump all in at once with honestly for your first venture into supplements. Given the specifics of what you are looking at, i'd probably go with drive, IGF-2, DCP and relora to start with at most.

    Really diet + exercise are key, the supplements just add some extra helping hands. Without good diet + exercise plans, even steroids are useless. So give us some more specifics on those
    Sounds good. What about Neovar? Won't I need some creatine to help lifting, or by already using PW then I don't need it, or could it be that creatine makes you retain water and that's something I should avoid all together given my goal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALUISLUGO View Post
    Sounds good. What about Neovar? Won't I need some creatine to help lifting, or by already using PW then I don't need it, or could it be that creatine makes you retain water and that's something I should avoid all together given my goal?
    I personally dont like ANY form of CEE just my opinion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxmeman View Post
    I personally dont like ANY form of CEE just my opinion...
    Mind if I ask why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALUISLUGO View Post
    Mind if I ask why?
    bloat...
    The only creatines that work well for me are Kre-Alkalyn,,Green Mag, and Clout, Also Ragnarok (which has the creatine's from green mag and clout)
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxmeman View Post
    bloat...
    The only creatines that work well for me are Kre-Alkalyn,,Green Mag, and Clout, Also Ragnarok (which has the creatine's from green mag and clout)
    Yeah that what I am getting now with Purple Warth. Too bad to because I do like it especially for my pre and intra work outs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALUISLUGO View Post
    Yeah that what I am getting now with Purple Warth. Too bad to because I do like it especially for my pre and intra work outs.
    Seriously if I were you I would def try Rag! Def an amzing all in 1 product!
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    Hey then keep that in my point was to avoid throwing kitchen sink of everything all at once, just phase products in over time so you can see + feel the difference
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Hey then keep that in my point was to avoid throwing kitchen sink of everything all at once, just phase products in over time so you can see + feel the difference

    COOL got that now.

    PS what about the specifics that you asked about, i.e., diet and exercise...seem ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALUISLUGO View Post
    COOL got that now.

    PS what about the specifics that you asked about, i.e., diet and exercise...seem ok?
    Not sure if Easy's the man to ask that to; he's currently sitting at 40(?), 15%, benching 135lbs and decided he was ready to juice.

    Seriously though, in terms of the specifics, could you give us more? You listed general 'types' of foods. In order to get the results you want, you will need to nail your diet down. There is now a diet tracker on this site, that should help you.

    In terms of your split, it is a little bit out of whack - I see no back in there, and arms twice. A split I like is:

    Chest
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    Tri
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALUISLUGO View Post
    Hi, I was planning on the following stack and wanted some feedback before diving in.

    Drive - Applied Nutriceuticals
    RPM - Applied Nutriceuticals
    IGF-2 - Applied Nutriceuticals
    NeoVar - Applied Nutriceuticals
    Lean Xtreme - Designer Supplements
    DCP - RPN
    Relora - Now Foods
    Ashwagandha - Now Foods
    Purple Warth - Controlled Labs
    Activite Sport - MHP

    Here are the particulars for me. I am 40 year old, 210lbs, 5'7", 32% body fat and Total Test is 193. I am also somewhat muscular since I have always lifted weights but never really took supplements. However, I have a lot of my bodyfat mostly in the abdomen area, probably due to stress and cortisol. My goal is too loose the body fat (get it under 20% for the first time in my life), while not loosing too much weight. Ideally, I'd like to be btwn 190-200 lbs while adding some more muscle and losing the fat.

    Other things to consider: I am little concerned about anything that might make me a little too aggressive (I have a bit of a short fuse). I also do not sleep that well at night so I am a little concerned about anything that might keep me up at night and I am sometimes depressed (although since I started working out again and cleaned up my diet a bit I am feel much better, but the sleep is still sometimes irregular).
    Start with the RPM, Drive, and NeoVar. After a few weeks of those, then add in some of the other supplements. I would go with IGF-2 and DCP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Start with the RPM, Drive, and NeoVar. After a few weeks of those, then add in some of the other supplements. I would go with IGF-2 and DCP.
    How did you dose your igf 2? i know someone who dosed at 10 caps a day and got killer results...
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxmeman View Post
    How did you dose your igf 2? i know someone who dosed at 10 caps a day and got killer results...
    Started at 10 and ended at 12. In retrospect, I should have stayed at 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Started at 10 and ended at 12. In retrospect, I should have stayed at 10.
    why should u have stayed at 10? and thats crazy how long IGF 2 DOSENT last!!24 days!! lol 52 bucks pretty pricey for a natural sup
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxmeman View Post
    why should u have stayed at 10? and thats crazy how long IGF 2 DOSENT last!!24 days!! lol 52 bucks pretty pricey for a natural sup
    There were no added benefits and the rhodiola started to give me insomnia. I also used to rep for AN so I got mine for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    There were no added benefits and the rhodiola started to give me insomnia. I also used to rep for AN so I got mine for free.
    thats def hot what were ur gains like fatloss, muscle how did it all turn out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxmeman View Post
    thats def hot what were ur gains like fatloss, muscle how did it all turn out?
    I have a review of it in the log/review section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Not sure if Easy's the man to ask that to; he's currently sitting at 40(?), 15%, benching 135lbs and decided he was ready to juice.

    Seriously though, in terms of the specifics, could you give us more? You listed general 'types' of foods. In order to get the results you want, you will need to nail your diet down. There is now a diet tracker on this site, that should help you.

    In terms of your split, it is a little bit out of whack - I see no back in there, and arms twice. A split I like is:

    Chest
    Back
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    Tri
    Legs
    Bi
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    My bad that was a typo. I meant Chest & Back not Chest & Arms (I have since fixed it).
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    What kind of volume and intensity are you working with in that split?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALUISLUGO View Post
    COOL got that now.

    PS what about the specifics that you asked about, i.e., diet and exercise...seem ok?
    Seems ok in a general way, the devil is always in the details of course. Are you following an existing workout plan or is this something you pieced together?

    as far as the diet goes, even if you don't do it every day at least for a while you should use something like fitday.com to really nail down your specific calories just to get a good idea of what you are really averaging, so you can easily make adjustments. Particularly for loosing fat in people who are historically high in bodyfat lower carb or tapered carbs (most carbs in morning, no carbs after a cutoff in the afternoon) tends to work well, also really separating the meals so you more or less have either protein + carbs or protein + fat in a meal, but not protein + fat + carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Start with the RPM, Drive, and NeoVar. After a few weeks of those, then add in some of the other supplements. I would go with IGF-2 and DCP.
    Will the Neovar cause bloating and cramping?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALUISLUGO View Post
    Will the Neovar cause bloating and cramping?
    Not with adequate water and electrolyte consumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    What kind of volume and intensity are you working with in that split?
    3 sets usually 10,8,6 reps per exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Not with adequate water and electrolyte consumption.
    Is this true of all creatine products or just Neovar? Sorry but like I mentioned previously I am starting to bloat a little on PW and now some lite cramps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Seems ok in a general way, the devil is always in the details of course. Are you following an existing workout plan or is this something you pieced together?

    as far as the diet goes, even if you don't do it every day at least for a while you should use something like fitday.com to really nail down your specific calories just to get a good idea of what you are really averaging, so you can easily make adjustments. Particularly for loosing fat in people who are historically high in bodyfat lower carb or tapered carbs (most carbs in morning, no carbs after a cutoff in the afternoon) tends to work well, also really separating the meals so you more or less have either protein + carbs or protein + fat in a meal, but not protein + fat + carbs.
    Thanks and I don't care if you're "currently sitting at 40(?), 15%, benching 135lbs and decided he was ready to juice"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALUISLUGO View Post
    Is this true of all creatine products or just Neovar? Sorry but like I mentioned previously I am starting to bloat a little on PW and now some lite cramps.
    I just recommend the Best creatines in which cause no bloat lol EasyEJL isn't the only one on this site who knows a lil something.And the difference is i compete I dont think he cares THAT much about a bloat i however care ALOT about even a slight bloat....
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    I don't notice much bloating, but my bodyfat is still fairly high. I stick with neovar + ragnarok, neither of which has anything bloaty in it. But may as well stick thru the jug you have now, and try switching off next time you buy. thats a good idea anyhow, cause individual body chemistries are different anyhow.
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    Ok so here's the final cut (started it today)

    DCP
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    Took 3 Drive, 3 RPM, 3 DCP, 3 IGF-2 on an empty stomach. Not bad at all, I was expecting to get nausea but did not. After 40 minutes I mixed two scoops of Purple Wrath & SR and headed off to the gym to work on shoulders & arms. I felt pretty strong throughout the workout and what I noticed most was the quick recovery rate btwn sets. I also followed this up with 25 minutes of cardio then was a breeze. Normally by the time I do cardio I am spent. After the WO I took 2 Drive, 2 RPM, 3 RPM, 1 Relora, 3 IGF-2, 2 Picamilon and then waited 30 min's before eating a grilled chicken sandwich and taking 4 Activites. However once I ate I did feel a little nausea, but it did go away after an hour. Then for the rest of the afternoon I felt really energized and did not eat until much later in the day. What I noticed was that I was prespiring most of the afternoon, which is good since it seems to indicatee that my metabolism is up. My last dose for the night will be 3 IGF-2, 2 picamilon, and 1 relora. Overall I really like the supplements so far and I just hope that I am dosing everything accordingly. Laslty, I was hoping to get a skin caliper to see what my current BF is and will likely post again once I determine what it is. I am hoping at the end of the run to see a significant drop in BF while adding some muscle in the process.

    UPDATE: after taking the 3 IGF, 2 picamilon and 1 relora, and my probolic SR, I had trouble sleeping last night! Just what I was hoping to avoid. Any suggestions on how to avoid? Maybe I can't take the the IGF so late in the day or maybe it was something else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALUISLUGO View Post
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    UPDATE: after taking the 3 IGF, 2 picamilon and 1 relora, and my probolic SR, I had trouble sleeping last night! Just what I was hoping to avoid. Any suggestions on how to avoid? Maybe I can't take the the IGF so late in the day or maybe it was something else?
    IGF-2 and Relora should not keep you awake. On the contrary, they should support deep sleep. You should take IGF-2 on an empty stomach, by the way, not with a protein shake. I do not know how much Picamilon you get per capsule, but a lot of it may be counter-productive. Finally, some individuals sleep well after eating (or taking a protein shake just before bed). Some others do not, especially after taking a sustained release protein that would basically challenge your system the entire night, instead of keeping you rested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    IGF-2 and Relora should not keep you awake. On the contrary, they should support deep sleep. You should take IGF-2 on an empty stomach, by the way, not with a protein shake. I do not know how much Picamilon you get per capsule, but a lot of it may be counter-productive. Finally, some individuals sleep well after eating (or taking a protein shake just before bed). Some others do not, especially after taking a sustained release protein that would basically challenge your system the entire night, instead of keeping you rested.
    Yes I normally try to take on a empty stomach, but I didn't think that a protein shake would matter that much since it's not a full meal. However I will follow your advice to the letter. BTW how long should I wait after a meal to take IGF-2?

    As for the Picamilon, they are 50mg per capsule. I was taking 4 before bed. Based on the above I may curtail to two caps before retiring for the night.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALUISLUGO View Post
    Yes I normally try to take on a empty stomach, but I didn't think that a protein shake would matter that much since it's not a full meal. However I will follow your advice to the letter. BTW how long should I wait after a meal to take IGF-2?

    As for the Picamilon, they are 50mg per capsule. I was taking 4 before bed. Based on the above I may curtail to two caps before retiring for the night.

    Thanks!
    drink your shake and then an hour later take your IGF-2 and relora, this is proceeded by sleep!
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    Hi,

    Unfortuantely I got sick over the weekend (feels like fllu) and I stopped taking my stack since Friday because I could not go to the gym and felt like crap. I was also afraid that the supps would make me feel worse. So, I was wondering if this was a bad idea and I just should have continued with the DCP/Drive/RPM/Relora/IGF-2/Picamilon/P. Wrath or stopped?
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    its probably better to have stopped, just to be on the safe side, let your body relax a bit
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    As far as I am concerned, whether or not one should stop supplementing while ill depends on the supplements one is taking. When I do not feel my best, I still continue to take supplements that contain compounds known to provide anti-oxidant support and boost the immune system.
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    true, and compounds that really rely on buildup as well you have to make that determination on whether to scrap the cycle, or to just take it thru. for instance right now I am on x-factor, and decided to just continue taking it, but dropped a few other things the last few days as I was sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    As far as I am concerned, whether or not one should stop supplementing while ill depends on the supplements one is taking. When I do not feel my best, I still continue to take supplements that contain compounds known to provide anti-oxidant support and boost the immune system.
    Sounds good. So then of the ones listed which ones should I have continued? Thank you.
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    Last Post: 01-16-2005, 11:53 PM

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