[jaydesiel4651]

just a heads up for applied nutriceuticals.....im pretty sure my bottle of rpm has a typo for the dosages chart it says up to 150 lbs 5 caps

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by jaydesiel4651

just a heads up for applied nutriceuticals.....im pretty sure my bottle of rpm has a typo for the dosages chart it says up to 150 lbs 5 caps

unless the formula radically changed, yes it is a typo I'll check on it.

[donorrell]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

unless the formula radically changed, yes it is a typo I'll check on it.

Yes, it's a typo. Amazing how you can stare at a proof 200 times and still miss something like this. Unfortunately, we have several thousand more labels like this but the new proof has been corrected for re-orders going forward. Hopefully our users are intuitive enough to recognize the error given the context of the rest of the chart and label.

Thanks for the catch!

[ShakesAllDay]

Anecdotally, you guys seem to put out good products and I know "sh!t happens". But, according to that error, a 150lbs. user may take 5 caps, which is 1.5x more than what is actually recommended.

I wonder what would happen if I took 500mg of caffeine instead of 200mg?

Just saying.

Originally Posted by donorrell

Yes, it's a typo. Amazing how you can stare at a proof 200 times and still miss something like this. Unfortunately, we have several thousand more labels like this but the new proof has been corrected for re-orders going forward. Hopefully our users are intuitive enough to recognize the error given the context of the rest of the chart and label.

Thanks for the catch!

[Lanbane]

You'd be taking a LOT more RPM than 5 caps to get to 500 mg.

[ShakesAllDay]

Originally Posted by Lanbane

You'd be taking a LOT more RPM than 5 caps to get to 500 mg.

I was just using caffeine as an example, not that a person would actually be ingesting that much w/ RPM.

I know that 500mg caffeine would flip me out when 200mg is just right.

I was just stating a point that other ingredients may have a dramatic effect w/ such extreme dosage differences.

I'm not sure how the ship sails, but is there anyway to forward retailers peel-n-stick corrected labels to stick over the faulty ones?

I know it was just a simple oversight on your guys part, but if this happened with certain other products, the results may be a little worse (thinking stuff like Superdrol here).

I'm just looking out for my fellow consumers here. I don't really like the "well, I hope people figure it out" defense.

[Cordeen]

A free bottle for that guy

[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by ShakesAllDay

...

I was just stating a point that other ingredients may have a dramatic effect w/ such extreme dosage differences.

Legitimate and fair point.

Originally Posted by ShakesAllDay

I'm not sure how the ship sails, but is there anyway to forward retailers peel-n-stick corrected labels to stick over the faulty ones?

I personally do not know roughly how many bottles were shipped. Still, you will get a more direct response on this.

Originally Posted by ShakesAllDay

I know it was just a simple oversight on your guys part, but if this happened with certain other products, the results may be a little worse (thinking stuff like Superdrol here).

It was an oversight, not necessarily a simple one. It so happens that when one has to review and proof-read many different label mock-ups, one may end up approving the wrong one.

Originally Posted by ShakesAllDay

I'm just looking out for my fellow consumers here. I don't really like the "well, I hope people figure it out" defense.

This is not a defence of a "defence", but I understood his comment as a description of a desired event or state, and not necessarily a defence.

Altogether, you are definitely right that many users would consider such a slip as irritating. Please do not construe any of the responses so far as an attempt to neutralize some of the points you have raised. On the contrary. We truly appreciate your efforts to produce a broad assessment of the event. While events like this fortunately do not occur frequently, be rest assured AN would do what it can to avoid a repeat

[EasyEJL]

I do find it comical that "shakes all day" is the person who found it. I was thinking that was the answer to his question

"I wonder what would happen if I took 500mg of caffeine instead of 200mg?"

He'd shake all day For me 500mg of caffeine sadly isn't all that big a deal so long as at least half is coming from coffee. I can drain a 32oz cup and still take assorted stims.

[ShakesAllDay]

Good to hear.

The only reason I am staying at this topic is because I believe it is of utmost importance that labels be as close to 100% accurate as possible. And, though I usually do research and choose my own dosing protocol w/ most supps, I'm sure the majority of supp users look at the recommended dose on the bottle and go with that.

Crossing T's and dotting I's, or misspelling 'anabolic' or 'endurance' I'm not so worried about. But, ingredient list and dosage accuracy is very important.

This kind of stuff, as well as previous supplement issues (w/ other companies) makes me wish we had an industry watch dog group (non-gov't) that could be like the consumer reports of supplements - not just some bribe-based advertising venues.

This is not a defence of a "defence", but I understood his comment as a description of a desired event or state, and not necessarily a defence.

Altogether, you are definitely right that many users would consider such a slip as irritating. Please do not construe any of the responses so far as an attempt to neutralize some of the points you have raised. On the contrary. We truly appreciate your efforts to produce a broad assessment of the event. While events like this fortunately do not occur frequently, be rest assured AN would do what it can to avoid a repeat

I would probably be admitting myself to a hospital after 500mg - I'm a tad caffeine sensitive (thanks mom).

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

I do find it comical that "shakes all day" is the person who found it. I was thinking that was the answer to his question

"I wonder what would happen if I took 500mg of caffeine instead of 200mg?"

He'd shake all day For me 500mg of caffeine sadly isn't all that big a deal so long as at least half is coming from coffee. I can drain a 32oz cup and still take assorted stims.

[donorrell]

Originally Posted by ShakesAllDay

Good to hear.

The only reason I am staying at this topic is because I believe it is of utmost importance that labels be as close to 100% accurate as possible...

Dear Shakes,

I agree 100% with the need for accuracy. I don't think anyone argues that point. As stated in my previous post, we have corrected the error and all lables going forward will have the updated dosing instructions.

The logistics of tracking down the bottles in the the field would be a extremely difficult, but even if we did and sent out corrective overlables, there is no guarantee each retailer / distributor will actually put the labels on. Additionally, since the product is moving very quickly, current replenishment rates will have the old labels worked out of the pipeline in a very short period of time.

To put this in perspective for those who have not seen the bottle, the erroneous dosage chart reads like this:

Dosage Chart:
(Taken 1 hour pre-workout)
Up to 100 lbs: 1 Capsule
Up to 150 lbs: 2 Capsules
Up to 200 lbs: 3 Capsules
Up to 250 lbs: 4 Capsules
Over 150 lbs: 5 Capsules

To my previous point, anyone who reads this chart can clearly see by context that the bottom line has a typographical error, and that it should read "over 250 lbs" and not "over 150 lbs." particularly since it specifies the dose for a 150 lb. person within it.

While I appreciate your zeal and your position on labeling accuracy, this is an extremely small issue that need not be dwelled upon, particularly since corrective actions have already been taken.

Thanks once again for your concern and I appreciate your support.

Best regards,

Don

[ShakesAllDay]

I hope you don't think I was just trying to dog on AN. That's not the case. The ever-increasing number of supplement companies, products, and mysterious I-can't-pronounce-this ingredients makes me raise my eyebrows quite a bit. And (not speaking specifically about AN), some companies may rush some things to make some money at the expense of consumers. Again, not saying you guys do/did this... just a general concern overall w/ ALL companies and products.

Not meaning to dwell. Really, this is less about the RPM mistake and more about the overall picture of consumer safety. I will take my thoughts to a more relevant thread.


Take care.

[donorrell]

Originally Posted by ShakesAllDay

I hope you don't think I was just trying to dog on AN. That's not the case. The ever-increasing number of supplement companies, products, and mysterious I-can't-pronounce-this ingredients makes me raise my eyebrows quite a bit. And (not speaking specifically about AN), some companies may rush some things to make some money at the expense of consumers. Again, not saying you guys do/did this... just a general concern overall w/ ALL companies and products.

Not meaning to dwell. Really, this is less about the RPM mistake and more about the overall picture of consumer safety. I will take my thoughts to a more relevant thread.


Take care.

10-4. I also tend to get on a soapbox when it comes to companies cutting corners and / or outright lying. I appreciate your concern and position.

[ShakesAllDay]

Originally Posted by donorrell

10-4. I also tend to get on a soapbox when it comes to companies cutting corners and / or outright lying. I appreciate your concern and position.

So, you're saying I was on a soapbox???