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Started 4/2/07

Sorry I didn’t start the thread right away (many excuses….etc...etc.)

Starting Stats: all are cold measurements
Weight - 200#
R. Forearm – 13”
R. Bi – 15 ½”
Chest – 42½”
Stomach - 40½”
Waist – 37”
Hips – 39"
R. Thigh – 23 5/8"
R. Calf – 17 1/4"

AN has been kind enough to send the Neovar/IGF-2/Osteo-C stack. I bought 2 more bottles of Lipo-PM from Nutraplanet. I lost 10# and a couple of inches on my trial (see thread) so I want to see what the results will be when doing 2 doses per day and in combo with the stack.

I am going to run the Lipo-PM at twice a day and do the stack - 4 weeks worth. If the stack is going well or at least I feel it starting to kick in I plan on ordering another 4 weeks worth and run the whole thing for 8 weeks.

Basic info (you can get most of it on my Lipo-PM thread):
I will be 59 in August have several health/injury related issues. Put on 20# last year (all fat) and am trying to get back into shape/loose BF etc. (NeoVar/IGF-2) Currently have a shoulder problem (Osteo-C) and will probably wind up having surgery some time in the next month or so.

I am a semi-retired martial artist/fitness advisor. I am currently a desk jockey sitting in front of a computer all day.

My workout schedule is a 3 day/week upper/lower 2 week split.
Week1: Week 2:
M- Upper M - Lower
W – Lower W - Upper
F – Upper F – Lower

Although lately it seems to be only a M/Th schedule (again multiple excuses….LOL)

Since I am behind I will break up the last couple of weeks so that this doesn’t turn into a super long initial post.

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Goals – Reduce BF to around 15% while putting on a couple of pounds of lean mass. I am thinking I would like to get down to 195# and as I said 15% BF(currently I am about 18 – 20%)

My current workout (I try to start out with 20 min on the treadmill or stationary bike for cardio & warm-up). I do not have a lifting partner so I tend to use machines a lot or go up in weights slowly so I can control them. I try for 3-4 sets/10 -12 reps when I get to 4 sets and a strong 10-12 reps I add weight or if I feel really good that day I’ll bump things.

My diet is not super clean – just a normal diet with health in mind. My wife is slowly shifting us to the Glycemic Index diet.

I am on a TRT program and take all the usual supplements: E, D, C, CoQ10, Multi-Vit, Multi-Min, Omega oils, St. Johns, Saw Palmetto, ZMA, Fenugreek, DHEA, BCAA, Post W/O drink, digestion aid, joint formula. I am stimulant sensitive so I do not do a Pre-W/O drink or other weight management formulas. I aim for 1 gal. of water a day.

Upper body:
Flat BB Bench Press
Medium width Pull-ups (counterbalance machine)
Rear Deltoid Laterals (machine)
Upright Rows – EZ Curl bar
Triceps (press down/dip machine)
Biceps (seated machine)
Abs Crunch/Hanging Knee Raise (Superset)

Lower body:
Leg Extensions (Nautilus machine)
Prone Leg Curls
Leg Press (Incline ?)
Standing Calf Raise (machine)
Low Back Hyperextensions
Behind Back BB Wrist Curls
Abs Crunch/Hanging Knee Raise (Superset)

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Monday 4/2
Lousy sleep last night up 4 or 5 times during the night. Hope this stack doesn’t make my sleep even worse than it already is. Work out was OK but nothing fantastic – just very tired.

Bench – 115# - 3 x 10
Pull-ups – 150# - 3 x 10 (this is a counter balance machine so the lower the weight used the better)
Rear Delts – 40# - 1 x 12, 1 x 9 (shoulder acting up)
Upright Rows – 65# - 3 x 12
Triceps – 195# - 2 x 12, 1 x 9
Bicep – 60# - 1 x 12, 1 x 10, 1 x 6
Abs/Knee ups – 1 x 50/25

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Tues. 4/3
Off
Another really bad night

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Wed 4/4
A really bad night and almost threw up after I ate breakfast. I wonder if I need to adjust the time between taking the IGF-2 and eating.

Got off of work and was totally wiped out so skipped the gym.

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Thus. 4/5
Cardio – 20 min
Leg Ext – 90# - 3 x 12
Leg Curls – 90# - 3 x 12
Leg Press – 290# - 3 x 12
Calf – 180# - 3 x 12
Hyperext. – 5# - 3 x 12
Wrist Curls – 65# - 3 x 12
Abs – skipped ( very queasy stomach)

Still having bad sleep (and I don’t sleep well as it is). Didn’t wait as long between IGF-2 & food (about 30 min vs. the 45 recommended). Not sure why I had problems at end of workout. Am very tired in afternoon. I know a big piece is sleep related but I may need to add more carbs with my second dose of NeoVar (may be low blood sugars).

[buffhunk29]

I hope things start clearing up for you man!!!

When are your doseing times?!!

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Fri/Sat/Sun. 4/6 – 4/8

Off

Bad sleep. No nausea

Always use the weekends to catch up on my sleep. Need to get my taxes started (Turbo tax) what fun….LOL.

Can’t say that I feel anything different during this first week other than even worse sleep than usual. This may or may not be related to the stack as I also have a lot of other things going on (work, health TAXES).

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Mon. 4/9

Shoulder is really acting up but I’m still going to the gym (stubborn). Sleep was a little better.

Cardio – 18 min
Bench – 115# - 3 x 12
Pull-ups – 150# - 2 x 12, 1 x 9
Rear Delts – 40# - 3 x 12 (I’ll pay for this one)
Upright Rows – 65# - 2 x 12, 1 x 10 (I’ll pay for this one too)
Triceps – 195# - 3 x 12
Bicep – 60# - 1 x 12, 1 x 10, 1 x 8
Abs/Knee ups – 2 x 40/20

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Originally Posted by buffhunk29

I hope things start clearing up for you man!!!

When are your doseing times?!!

I take the IGF-2 when I wake up around 6:30 am. Then I take the NeoVar & Osteo-C with breakfast. I take my second Neovar with lunch on off days and per the instructions on workout days. I take my first dose of Lipo late morning a little before lunch and second at bed along with the second IGFdose. I take my second Osteo-C with dinner.

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Wed 4/11

Midway thru breakfast threw up everything. I have to say it was very colorful, red/blue/orange/yellow, all the pills/capsules I had taken a few minute earlier. Got cleaned up and mixed up a protein shake to take with me to work.

Still having major crashes in the afternoon (2 pm on). I really need to adjust my meals or start taking the second half of my stack with my evening meal.

Cardio – 20 min
Leg Ext – 100# - 4 x 12
Leg Curls – 90# - 4 x 12
Leg Press – 180# x 12, 270# x 12, 360# x 12, 450# x 8
Calf – 180# - 4 x 12
Hyperext. – 5# - 4 x 12
Wrist Curls – 95# - 1 x 12, 1 x 10, 1 x 7
Abs/Knee ups – 40/20, 20/10

Decided to push it. Legs have always been better for me (lot’s of leg work in my martial arts). Want to stoke up the metabolism and get some upper body synergy going.

Still playing with the taxes

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Fri/Sat/Sun 4/13 – 4/15

Off

Shoulder really acting up and still very tired. Although the sleep is marginally improving.

Finished the taxes!!!!

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Mon 4/16

More rested after the weekend and finishing the taxes. Back up to full doses on the stack. Still not doing the full 45 min on the IGF-2 before breakfast (at about 30 min now).

Again very wiped out in afternoon. Tried to make sure I had enough carbs etc and did in between meal snack of vegetable sticks and a can of tune in the afternoon. Something to keep working on.

Forced myself to go to the gym and to try to push it some more. Won’t get in 3 workouts again this week. I will be sitting guest at a black belt testing Friday so will do Mon & Thurs.

I’m beginning to think I should just change to 2 days vs. the 3 I had planned since it seems to be working out that way.

But overall it was a good work out. The place was super crowded and I couldn’t use either of the cardio machines I do. Just jammed both before my W/O and after which is unusual.

Cardio – none
Leg Ext – 80# x 12, 90# x 12, 100# x 12, 110# x 12
Leg Curls – 70# x 12, 80# x 12, 90# x 12, 100# x 12
Leg Press – 180# x 12, 270# x 12, 360# x 12, 450# x 12
Calf – 150# x 12, 165# x 12, 180# x 12, 195# x 12
Hyperext. – none
Wrist Curls – 65 x 12, 75 x 12, 85 x 12, 95# x 8
Abs/Knee ups – none

All the Ab stations were in use, the knee up in use and the low back stations. Busy day or at least when I needed the station. So I packed it in and went home instead of waiting 10 min for someone to finish.

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Tues 4/17

OFF
Another bad night.

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Wed. 4/18
Another bad night.

Yoga class with my wife. Nice break. Good stretching although I have to take it easy on the range of motion on the shoulder and some of the posture with a lot of knee bending I simply can’t do anymore.


And that catches me up.

I will be regular from now on. I kept a journal so I at least had all the notes I needed.

Had an MRI on the shoulder last Sat and my doc is on vacation so won't find anything out for a couple of weeks (he went to Spain & France with his family).

In the mean time I am going to push it as much as I can 'cause I know I will have some down time if he decides it need work.

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Thurs 4/19

Not even going to mention sleep unless it vastly improves.

Pushed the workout even tho i wasn't 100% as far as energy.

Cardio – 22 min
Bench – 95x12, 105x12,115x12,125x8
Pull-ups – 150 - 4x10
Rear Delts – 40 - 4 x 10
Upright Rows – 65 - 4 x 10
Triceps – 210 - 4 x 10
Bicep – 65 - 3x10, 1x8
Abs/Knee ups - 40/20, 40/10

fair workout
little side ache towards the end and kept yawning all the time.

Taking Fri off - senior guest judge at a blackbelt testing
Sat & Sun off - son's 21st birthday (I feel old....LOL)

[rms80]

Originally Posted by glg

Thurs 4/19

Not even going to mention sleep unless it vastly improves.

Pushed the workout even tho i wasn't 100% as far as energy.

Cardio – 22 min
Bench – 95x12, 105x12,115x12,125x8
Pull-ups – 150 - 4x10
Rear Delts – 40 - 4 x 10
Upright Rows – 65 - 4 x 10
Triceps – 210 - 4 x 10
Bicep – 65 - 3x10, 1x8
Abs/Knee ups - 40/20, 40/10

fair workout
little side ache towards the end and kept yawning all the time.

Taking Fri off - senior guest judge at a blackbelt testing
Sat & Sun off - son's 21st birthday (I feel old....LOL)

Gary-
Hope you feel better!!!

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I think I have the nausea under control - I can't wait the full 45 min recommended on the IGF-2. I will slowly start to move the time (I'm currently doing about 25min).

As I said I do not sleep well (Insomnia, RLS and other factors) so anytime something happens to mess that up even more I have to watch it.

I know that sometimes my body really reacts to anything new I consume (supplements). I also get a reverse reaction from many meds and supplements. Things that really pep some people up will cause me to creash or I won't feel anything until i try to go to sleep.

I've been that way for a long, long time. So I will paly a little with the timing and if that doesn't work then I will play with the dosages. Right now I am using the recommended doses for 200#.

And this is only the end of the second week so I do think it's to early for me to make any major changes or conclusions.