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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    REPS are selected for just about every reason but that LOL

    Likeability, Respectability, Aesthetics, Knowledge, Tenure, etc are among the MAIN reasons REPS are chosen

    I've been asked by 4 different companies on this site alone since I joined 6 years ago (doesn't even include other boards that I've been on for close to 10 years)

    Posts like this are erroneous and moreover, flat out hilarious
    I'd have to disagree. Well at least for AppNut. We are not going to bring someone on as a rep who is not knowledgeable about our products or who does/has not used any of our products.



    jdg76
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    You're an AP Nut rep, would you have told us otherwise?

    No disrespect intended at all but I will never understand why REPS of ANY company think that anything positive they say about their respective compoany's products will be perceived as genuine.

    Again, zero disrespect intended and this is not personal at all as I do not know you but people have to be complete morons to take a reps' opinion as gospel.

    6 years later and I am STILL awaiting the ONE post whereby a REP has enough integrity to say their company's product SUCKED! LOL
    "sucked"--->"reformulated." Learn the code words!
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  3. Drooks is a stand-up guy.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by jdg76 View Post
    I'd have to disagree. Well at least for AppNut. We are not going to bring someone on as a rep who is not knowledgeable about our products or who does/has not used any of our products.
    It just wouldnt fly. Not with Dirk's constant quizzing.

    I've dealt with enough people, in various industries, to know when someone is just pushing a label or when they truly stand behind their product/business. A quality representative of any business is able to evaluate positive reviews and expected outcomes and critically assess negative experiences, such as this thread, as to why it may not be suitable for another individual or other unforeseen circumstances to be avoided when recommending a product.
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  5. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    It just wouldnt fly. Not with Dirk's constant quizzing.

    I've dealt with enough people, in various industries, to know when someone is just pushing a label or when they truly stand behind their product/business. A quality representative of any business is able to evaluate positive reviews and expected outcomes and critically assess negative experiences, such as this thread, as to why it may not be suitable for another individual or other unforeseen circumstances to be avoided when recommending a product.
    Which is what makes AppNut stand out by going up and above just pushing a product.





    jdg76
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    "I would rather follow Christ and die to find out their is no God, than to not, and die to find out there is a God."
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  6. What are thoughts on adding into last day of 2 week clen run @20/20/40/40/60/60/60/80/80/100/100/120/120/120?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by fame126 View Post
    What are thoughts on adding into last day of 2 week clen run @20/20/40/40/60/60/60/80/80/100/100/120/120/120?
    Personally, I wouldnt take it with clen, but than again I am very sensitive to clen and adding any other stimulant would be too much for me to handle but YMMV
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  8. Curious to see the outcomes if you do...
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    Franz Kafka

  9. Not sure how to run the fat free cause clen is 2 on 2 off and fat free is everyday. So i would be running clen and fat free at same time.

    Overkill?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by fame126 View Post
    Not sure how to run the fat free cause clen is 2 on 2 off and fat free is everyday. So i would be running clen and fat free at same time.

    Overkill?
    If you were going to run them, IMO I would run the Fat Free on the days off from the Clen.


    jdg76
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    "I would rather follow Christ and die to find out their is no God, than to not, and die to find out there is a God."

  11. Quote Originally Posted by fame126 View Post
    Not sure how to run the fat free cause clen is 2 on 2 off and fat free is everyday. So i would be running clen and fat free at same time.

    Overkill?
    I would just drop the clean. If anything I would opt for taking a ephedra with fat free over Caleb and fat free but if you still wish to attempt and stack the two I will get you a response to your question from our product formulator
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I would just drop the clean. If anything I would opt for taking a ephedra with fat free over Caleb and fat free but if you still wish to attempt and stack the two I will get you a response to your question from our product formulator
    I would agree with Josh- both compounds will work ok and will stack well with FF, but I would give the nod to ephedrine for a couple reasons:
    1. the half-life is shorter on ephedrine- clenbuterol has a fairly long half-life because of the phenyl ring alterations (addition of chloride at positions 3 and 5 and an amino at position 4). The butyl attachement on the distal amine also makes clen pretty resistant to metabolism
    2. Ephedrine is much less likely to cause a significant down-regulation of beta-adrenergic receptors (BAR 2)- clenbuterol is notorious for doing this. This effect can be reduced or reversed by taking ketotifen
    3. Ephedrine is a better releasing agent than clenbuterol due to alpha-methylation, and will have stronger ability to block the catecholamine transporter
    4. Both compounds will be resistant to breakdown by MAO-B b/c of side chain moeities
    5. Clen is illegal, ephedra/ephedrine can still be obtained legally


    Ephedra plus FF is your best bet- you will get a large cAMP elevation, COMT inhibition, some good beta agonism (non-specific), some good releasing qualities/reuptake inhibtion, should be a really productive stack for fat loss....
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  13. Quote Originally Posted by rms80
    I would agree with Josh- both compounds will work ok and will stack well with FF, but I would give the nod to ephedrine for a couple reasons:
    1. the half-life is shorter on ephedrine- clenbuterol has a fairly long half-life because of the phenyl ring alterations (addition of chloride at positions 3 and 5 and an amino at position 4). The butyl attachement on the distal amine also makes clen pretty resistant to metabolism
    2. Ephedrine is much less likely to cause a significant down-regulation of beta-adrenergic receptors (BAR 2)- clenbuterol is notorious for doing this. This effect can be reduced or reversed by taking ketotifen
    3. Ephedrine is a better releasing agent than clenbuterol due to alpha-methylation, and will have stronger ability to block the catecholamine transporter
    4. Both compounds will be resistant to breakdown by MAO-B b/c of side chain moeities
    5. Clen is illegal, ephedra/ephedrine can still be obtained legally

    Ephedra plus FF is your best bet- you will get a large cAMP elevation, COMT inhibition, some good beta agonism (non-specific), some good releasing qualities/reuptake inhibtion, should be a really productive stack for fat loss....
    Ephedra as in primatene mist tabs along with 200mg caffeine and fat free alltogeather?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by fame126 View Post
    Ephedra as in primatene mist tabs along with 200mg caffeine and fat free alltogeather?
    Are you asking if you can stack 25mg of Ephedrine with 200mg of Caffeine and Fat Free? I wouldn't. You could stack E + FF though.

  15. E+FF and no caffeine? Does everyone agree?

  16. You can add in caffeine. I wouldnt start with 200mg though since ff has caffeine in it. It is mainly gonna depend on how sensitive to the caffeine you are. Personally I have taken 25mg E, 200mg C and 2 caps fat free with no problem but then again I have been using stims for a very long time now.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh
    You can add in caffeine. I wouldnt start with 200mg though since ff has caffeine in it. It is mainly gonna depend on how sensitive to the caffeine you are. Personally I have taken 25mg E, 200mg C and 2 caps fat free with no problem but then again I have been using stims for a very long time now.
    Man Josh, that is a lot of caffeine! At 2-3 doses a day that is well over 1 gram of caffeine per day.

  18. Whats the total caffeine amount for ff @2 pills 2xaday?

  19. Its about 240mg/cap so x4 = 960mg/day. Have fun with that.
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    Franz Kafka

  20. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow
    Its about 240mg/cap so x4 = 960mg/day. Have fun with that.
    Holy bat$hit robin!!! Thats alotta caffeine

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    Man Josh, that is a lot of caffeine! At 2-3 doses a day that is well over 1 gram of caffeine per day.
    What can I say... Im an addict
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  22. LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by fame126 View Post
    Holy bat$hit robin!!! Thats alotta caffeine
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  23. I'm almost through my first bottle of FF and honestly find it hard to believe that there's 240mg of caffeine in each cap....I feel much stronger stimulatory effects from a 200mg tab of caffeine anhydrous than taking 2 caps of FF....what's up with that?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Ninjo View Post
    I'm almost through my first bottle of FF and honestly find it hard to believe that there's 240mg of caffeine in each cap....I feel much stronger stimulatory effects from a 200mg tab of caffeine anhydrous than taking 2 caps of FF....what's up with that?
    That was the original amount of caffiene in FF. It had been changed to around 140-150mg per cap. Sorry for the confusion.
    "I would rather follow Christ and die to find out their is no God, than to not, and die to find out there is a God."

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Ninjo View Post
    I'm almost through my first bottle of FF and honestly find it hard to believe that there's 240mg of caffeine in each cap....I feel much stronger stimulatory effects from a 200mg tab of caffeine anhydrous than taking 2 caps of FF....what's up with that?
    As JD76 said, the amount of caffeine was lowered to 140-150 mg per cap. Caffeine content is not the reason that reason that Fat Free doesn't seem to hit you as hard as plain caffeine tabs. Since Fat Free is a much more complex formula, it has supporting ingredients that help spread the effects of the caffeine over a longer period of time. This keeps it from hitting you all at once, but the effects last much longer than they would from caffeine by itself. This also helps control any sort of crash you might experience otherwise.

    How has Fat Free worked for you results wise? Has it helped with appetite control and fat loss?
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