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  1. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73
    Honestly I am not the one to ask there. I had a bad bout of bronchitis and had to be put on steroids for my lungs the week before starting this so my lungs have been improving the whole time just from being messed up. It is the reason I had to change my workout form the fast paced 30 seconds rest one I was doing before this.

    Yeah if being comfortable is one of your requirements for a diet pill then Ephedra may not be for you. It is very effective but in my experience not the most pleasant diet pill to be on. Now ephedra is actually great for the lungs though, it is a bronchio dilator.
    Thanks for the info, good to hear your kicking the bronchitis, its a bitch trying to cough while lifting.
    Life is cold, short, and brutal
    Training log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/207211-sae2110s-training-log.html


  2. ok brother even while you have been sick you make me look weak. knock that crap off. LOL.... Man I have a boat load of catching up to do you strong mofo.
    Chaos and Pain -Rep

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  3. I wanted to have a lower calorie day yesterday so I pretty much ate only meat all day then a few carbs before bed to have a lil glycogen in the muscle for the morning workout. Nutrition was like this, 10 oz chicken breast, 8 oz chicken breast, 10 oz bottom round steak, 1 small peanut butter cookie and about 3 bites of mashed potatoes. SO over 200 protein, not much fat and about 40-50grams carbs last night. Not a bad burn day at all.

    Here is the lift from this morning.

    Exercise x12-15 reps
    Wide Grip T-Bar - 70x15 90x15 115x15
    HS Rows - 80 per side x23 1 minute max reps

    Wide Grip Lat Pull 150x15 135x15 135x15
    Straight Arm Lat Pull down 60x25 1 minute max reps

    EZ Bar Curl 60x15 60x15 60x15
    DB Hammer Curls 25x24 1 minute max reps

    Seated Leg Curls 95x15 95x15 95x15
    Lying Leg Curl 50x22 1 minute max reps


    Quote Originally Posted by sae2110 View Post
    Thanks for the info, good to hear your kicking the bronchitis, its a bitch trying to cough while lifting.
    Yes it is and thanks! Strength is starting to come back a little bit but I am going to make sure to keep the increase gradual rather than balls out so I can have more points of adaptation to grow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Onlychevy6 View Post
    ok brother even while you have been sick you make me look weak. knock that crap off. LOL.... Man I have a boat load of catching up to do you strong mofo.
    Haha, it is only going to keep climbing. Hard to believe I did 265x12 solid and clean reps on bench 1 month ago and now I find myself struggling under 235.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  4. I feel your pain. Lol
    Chaos and Pain -Rep

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  5. Like wise.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443
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  6. Thoughts on Fat Free now energy wise? Seems to be knocking out the appetite, what about the stim effect?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Thoughts on Fat Free now energy wise? Seems to be knocking out the appetite, what about the stim effect?
    I described it in detail a little bit back, but the energy from it is great. Not that nervous energy, jittery, or moody. Just good energy. Off of 2 caps it is about as much energy as I want to have a dose of a diet pill have. It lasts a very long time and after taking a single capsule 6 hours later I feel like I took 2 again because there is still stim left from the morning dose. It is not a stimmed out diet pill though where 1 capsule is almost too much. So if that is what you need I would take 2 capsules then 1 later.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  8. A lot of people have been saying they experience appetite suppression. I noticed it myself. Its not as though I dont want to eat but I may have to remind myself its meal time. Could be a good thing if youre super leans craving everything or just trying to spread meals furher apart.
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  9. Good to see that you are working your way back to those great workouts again Chris. I know how bad bronchitis can kick your ass!
    Recoverbro Elite
    "This is what we've been working on"

  10. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    A lot of people have been saying they experience appetite suppression. I noticed it myself. Its not as though I dont want to eat but I may have to remind myself its meal time. Could be a good thing if youre super leans craving everything or just trying to spread meals furher apart.
    That's a bit too much appetite suppression for me. I prefer to be looking forward to mey meals...but with LG that's hardly ever an issue anyway I guess if you really need to lose some serious poundage increased appetite supression would be good though. When you start to get down though you need to eat to keep fat loss going and preserve muscle and eating too little can be just and dangerous as eating too much.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  11. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    A lot of people have been saying they experience appetite suppression. I noticed it myself. Its not as though I dont want to eat but I may have to remind myself its meal time. Could be a good thing if youre super leans craving everything or just trying to spread meals furher apart.
    This sounds about right if busy, especially if you were eating a 5-6 meal a day plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Good to see that you are working your way back to those great workouts again Chris. I know how bad bronchitis can kick your ass!
    Thanks Rick, my lungs are feeling much better. Not perfect mind you but this week has been much better on me. Then again the pace of the workouts are a bit slower than the 30 second rest periods I had going on before.

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    That's a bit too much appetite suppression for me. I prefer to be looking forward to mey meals...but with LG that's hardly ever an issue anyway I guess if you really need to lose some serious poundage increased appetite supression would be good though. When you start to get down though you need to eat to keep fat loss going and preserve muscle and eating too little can be just and dangerous as eating too much.
    In all honesty it is about the perfect amount of suppression for me with the fasting. I get a tiny hunger pang about 8:30, by 8:40 it is gone, then about 30 minutes after my second dose I get a flash of hunger, then around 11:30 or 12:00 I am starting to get decently hungry at which point I can eat a meal and feel satisfied or hold off another few hours without much effort. I definitely expand my Fasting by a few hours, and shorten my feeding window, I have no problem getting my calories in within 6-7 hours, and I have no problem with going as low as 900 calories on a burn day either. The catabolic effect of that has been over blown for so long. Even Martin mentions the rate of fat burn increase beyond 16 hours of fasting but the increase comes from more visceral fat being burned. However for some reason he thinks visceral fat loss is not as important as subcutaneous. Not so for me because I hold a lot of visceral fat, which is part of the reason I don't put much stock in body fat measurements. I can lose a decent amount of weight, and 2 inches off my waist line and only end up having a 1 mm change in my abdominal pinch. So to me extending my fat burning longer is aesthetically beneficial to me since makes my waist line much smaller. That is just one of the disagreements between Lean Gains and something like an ADF approach to intermittent fasting. I tend to like to kind of mesh those two philosophies a bit.

    Right now I can say I am pleased with how my physique is coming along. I feel that Fat Free is a major part of the reason I am able to have a rebound in muscle while obviously leaning up a bit. That and the extra calories that came in adding the 4rth day. I decided not to cut cals elsewhere but ride it out since I am already starting to lean up decently and should be on point for looking good in the next month or so. EPI-V will be in the mix as of this weekend to so I will give my full report on Fat Free alone over the past 3 weeks, and then will continue on with the log with the understanding that EPI-V and maybe even AndroDrive will be put in the mix. I think the EPI-V will make a drastic difference in my appearance by cutting out on some of the water I am holding with all the extra carbs I have been playing around with. Those who know me know I tend to run a max of about 200g of carbs on workout days so the extra 70-100 grams and being 4 days instead of 3 has me a little more watery than normal, but I can still see the fat loss so hoping it will be really evident what Fat Free has done once the water comes off from the EPI-V.

    As far as this morning I slept in, no one in my house but me had to get up so I just didn't feel like getting up at 3:50Am to walk on the treadmill when I knew I could bring stuff up here and take a walk outside at lunch instead. Hell, I can even work on my tan, the weather is Fuggin Fantastical even. .
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  12. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    That's a bit too much appetite suppression for me. I prefer to be looking forward to mey meals...but with LG that's hardly ever an issue anyway I guess if you really need to lose some serious poundage increased appetite supression would be good though. When you start to get down though you need to eat to keep fat loss going and preserve muscle and eating too little can be just and dangerous as eating too much.
    But my problem is when hunger hits it hits hard and I wanna eat right at that moment. If Im not prepared, I may start looking around for something convenient which is rarely diet friendly. That slight suppression isnt doesnt fall into one extreme or the other. Its good for me as I work in a busy lab and meal time doesnt always mean I can step away. But my entire lab knows how I eat so if I tell them I need 5 minutes they get the point.
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  13. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    This sounds about right if busy, especially if you were eating a 5-6 meal a day plan.

    Thanks Rick, my lungs are feeling much better. Not perfect mind you but this week has been much better on me. Then again the pace of the workouts are a bit slower than the 30 second rest periods I had going on before.



    In all honesty it is about the perfect amount of suppression for me with the fasting. I get a tiny hunger pang about 8:30, by 8:40 it is gone, then about 30 minutes after my second dose I get a flash of hunger, then around 11:30 or 12:00 I am starting to get decently hungry at which point I can eat a meal and feel satisfied or hold off another few hours without much effort. I definitely expand my Fasting by a few hours, and shorten my feeding window, I have no problem getting my calories in within 6-7 hours, and I have no problem with going as low as 900 calories on a burn day either. The catabolic effect of that has been over blown for so long. Even Martin mentions the rate of fat burn increase beyond 16 hours of fasting but the increase comes from more visceral fat being burned. However for some reason he thinks visceral fat loss is not as important as subcutaneous. Not so for me because I hold a lot of visceral fat, which is part of the reason I don't put much stock in body fat measurements. I can lose a decent amount of weight, and 2 inches off my waist line and only end up having a 1 mm change in my abdominal pinch. So to me extending my fat burning longer is aesthetically beneficial to me since makes my waist line much smaller. That is just one of the disagreements between Lean Gains and something like an ADF approach to intermittent fasting. I tend to like to kind of mesh those two philosophies a bit.

    Right now I can say I am pleased with how my physique is coming along. I feel that Fat Free is a major part of the reason I am able to have a rebound in muscle while obviously leaning up a bit. That and the extra calories that came in adding the 4rth day. I decided not to cut cals elsewhere but ride it out since I am already starting to lean up decently and should be on point for looking good in the next month or so. EPI-V will be in the mix as of this weekend to so I will give my full report on Fat Free alone over the past 3 weeks, and then will continue on with the log with the understanding that EPI-V and maybe even AndroDrive will be put in the mix. I think the EPI-V will make a drastic difference in my appearance by cutting out on some of the water I am holding with all the extra carbs I have been playing around with. Those who know me know I tend to run a max of about 200g of carbs on workout days so the extra 70-100 grams and being 4 days instead of 3 has me a little more watery than normal, but I can still see the fat loss so hoping it will be really evident what Fat Free has done once the water comes off from the EPI-V.

    As far as this morning I slept in, no one in my house but me had to get up so I just didn't feel like getting up at 3:50Am to walk on the treadmill when I knew I could bring stuff up here and take a walk outside at lunch instead. Hell, I can even work on my tan, the weather is Fuggin Fantastical even. .
    Chris are you planning on peaking with the EPI-V then. I really recommend that you use just like you would winnie... I am telling you I made a big mistake not peeking with it last year. I looked good at around 6% but think how good I would have looked it I had taken it all the way to contest. I would have been sub 5, big and hard... I think though for a good summer look and 6% it's also a good choice. I wouldn't use it if I was aiming any higher than 6 though. I know you can do it but the pace may have to be fairly quick if you're sitting at around 10 right now.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  14. The addition of the EPI-V should really help things. I've certainly learned that being dry and hard can make all the difference in the world.. .particularly at the lower bodyfat range.
    Recoverbro Elite
    "This is what we've been working on"

  15. Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    The addition of the EPI-V should really help things. I've certainly learned that being dry and hard can make all the difference in the world.. .particularly at the lower bodyfat range.
    man you said it, I have such a problem with looking soft even though I am lean and this makes all the difference.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  16. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    man you said it, I have such a problem with looking soft even though I am lean and this makes all the difference.

    ^This. Seriously it messes with my head. More because im just fully depleted I look soft so I think Im not that lean (and my scale BF% lies). I did the caliper today and came up 7%. Immediately chowed down a beef burrito.
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  17. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    ^This. Seriously it messes with my head. More because im just fully depleted I look soft so I think Im not that lean (and my scale BF% lies). I did the caliper today and came up 7%. Immediately chowed down a beef burrito.
    Yep depletion is another brain bender but we know better... hate looking at myself after fasted cardio
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  18. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

    Yep depletion is another brain bender but we know better... hate looking at myself after fasted cardio
    Oh hell yeh, I can relate to that flat look after fasted cardio!
    Recoverbro Elite
    "This is what we've been working on"

  19. I will post up my workouts later because they are on my home computer. I had 2 great ones this weekend. As of Saturday morning I was 204.5, so 3.5 lbs lost and I can tell you for sure I am putting some of my muscle back on as well. There was a ton going on this weekend as you can imagine so I didn't get around to doing my body fat or taking any pics. I will have to do that this coming weekend. I started my EPI-V and AndroDrive will be doing 6 caps Epi-V and 4 of AndroDrive a day for the next 6 weeks. I am hoping the EPI-V pulls the water from the extra carbs I have been eating off as well as helps me add some more muscle. I imagine the grapefruit peel extract should increase the bioavailability for the Epi-Andro allowing for more muscle.


    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Chris are you planning on peaking with the EPI-V then. I really recommend that you use just like you would winnie... I am telling you I made a big mistake not peeking with it last year. I looked good at around 6% but think how good I would have looked it I had taken it all the way to contest. I would have been sub 5, big and hard... I think though for a good summer look and 6% it's also a good choice. I wouldn't use it if I was aiming any higher than 6 though. I know you can do it but the pace may have to be fairly quick if you're sitting at around 10 right now.
    Well I am sure I will peak using this, but I don't really have anything to peak for other than just wanting to look really good for myself. However it will give me a reference point for it's use when I choose to compete later and want to incorporate something to peak.

    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    The addition of the EPI-V should really help things. I've certainly learned that being dry and hard can make all the difference in the world.. .particularly at the lower bodyfat range.
    Oh yeah being dry i s great but once you are lean, like you are, it is only in your head that you look sloppy when a little wet. To everyone else you still look buff and ripped. That is the difference between being 6 and 8-9%

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    man you said it, I have such a problem with looking soft even though I am lean and this makes all the difference.
    I have that problem until around 6% then there is really nothing I can do to look soft, just not dry.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    ^This. Seriously it messes with my head. More because im just fully depleted I look soft so I think Im not that lean (and my scale BF% lies). I did the caliper today and came up 7%. Immediately chowed down a beef burrito.
    LMAO!!! Yeah looking at your avi, I think that looking soft is probably in your head too. LOL
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yep depletion is another brain bender but we know better... hate looking at myself after fasted cardio
    Depletion can be tricky for sure. However when i am not lean depletion or not I am not happy with my appearance.

    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Oh hell yeh, I can relate to that flat look after fasted cardio!
    All the way up to the fast breaker huh... The the veins get buck!
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  20. Epi-V plus AndroDrive...Kleen you're gonna be freaky ripped...can't wait for the results. Im down 3lbs and 1.5% BF today after week one.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443

  21. Yah I am going to do the same thing, I mean we should peak some time every year I think, gives us something to shoot for. Just do pics at the end of it ... that's all you have usually after a contest anyway.. that and a dust collector
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  22. Right, I am sure there will be tons of pics once I am leaner. I love me some Lean Kleen!

    I can't believe I did it again, I meant to bring up my spreadsheet with my last 3 workouts but forgot to grab it again on the way out. I had a great workout Saturday, & Sunday, however I think I either had my arms to far back on the smith machine shoulder press lockouts or the seat in the wrong position on the lateral raise machine because my shoulder is a bit inflamed today. I was able to workout this morning without too much trouble but it did lower some of my numbers a little. I think it should be fine by Thursday when I lift again though.

    I am looking rather large, although I have lost 3.5 lbs so far I feel I am filling out a bit in the shoulders and legs. Like I said I had a little downtime and I feel like I have just about caught up on rebuilding anything that was lost. I am noticing that my higher cals at 1800 / 2800 is actually more of a slow cut, almost a recomp for me than being the aggressive cut I was planning on. I am going to stick with the cals and see what the addition of the EPI-V and AndroDrive do for me regarding faster fat loss and maybe a little more muscle.

    So far I am definitely really enjoying the Fat Free, it is a feel good stim, with just the right amount of appetite supression and there is definitely something to be said for the cortisol suppression as well.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  23. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Right, I am sure there will be tons of pics once I am leaner. I love me some Lean Kleen!

    I can't believe I did it again, I meant to bring up my spreadsheet with my last 3 workouts but forgot to grab it again on the way out. I had a great workout Saturday, & Sunday, however I think I either had my arms to far back on the smith machine shoulder press lockouts or the seat in the wrong position on the lateral raise machine because my shoulder is a bit inflamed today. I was able to workout this morning without too much trouble but it did lower some of my numbers a little. I think it should be fine by Thursday when I lift again though.

    I am looking rather large, although I have lost 3.5 lbs so far I feel I am filling out a bit in the shoulders and legs. Like I said I had a little downtime and I feel like I have just about caught up on rebuilding anything that was lost. I am noticing that my higher cals at 1800 / 2800 is actually more of a slow cut, almost a recomp for me than being the aggressive cut I was planning on. I am going to stick with the cals and see what the addition of the EPI-V and AndroDrive do for me regarding faster fat loss and maybe a little more muscle.

    So far I am definitely really enjoying the Fat Free, it is a feel good stim, with just the right amount of appetite supression and there is definitely something to be said for the cortisol suppression as well.
    Stick with cals Kris, I was on 3200 and 2400 last year and cut up pretty good while on Epi-v... your weight will not go down that much but the fat will and when you get dryer and harder you will see that you look so much leaner.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  24. I am definitely going to stick with these ranges for a little while longer I mean it averages out to 2400 a day which I actually know is about my maintenance just a little under actually. I am hoping the metabolism speeds up a little with these cals. Since I have a notoriously efficient metabolism I can maintain weight with minimal cals, and even gain as well.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  25. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Stick with cals Kris, I was on 3200 and 2400 last year and cut up pretty good while on Epi-v... your weight will not go down that much but the fat will and when you get dryer and harder you will see that you look so much leaner.
    You did cut up a lot on it last year Doug and I do remember your cals were high like that. Last I saw Chris he is looking thick and leaning out as well, it is overdo for us to do a workout!
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
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