[dre alvarez]

Which is best for overall effectiveness for energy, thermo, endurance, and muscle growth? Both seems promising...opinions appreciated

[Rosie Chee]

Which is best for overall effectiveness for energy, thermo, endurance, and muscle growth? Both seems promising...opinions appreciated

Answered your PM. But they're two completely DIFFERENT products. Whichever you choose is entirely up to you. Depends on what effects you want more. You can even stack them together - I did.

~Team APPNUT

[TexasLifter89]

Stack them together and you will enjoy it!

[dre alvarez]

Answered your PM. But they're two completely DIFFERENT products. Whichever you choose is entirely up to you. Depends on what effects you want more. You can even stack them together - I did.

~Team APPNUT

Thanks rosie, I might just do that or try sperate..but both seems promising. Thanks for the advice

[dre alvarez]

Stack them together and you will enjoy it!

Since I'm cutting I might stack or do it separately..depends..but I have testo pro, mrm cla, on flax seed oil, sns inhibit e, lean xt, and deciding between rpm or LR...thanks man

[Rosie Chee]

Since I'm cutting I might stack or do it separately..depends..but I have testo pro, mrm cla, on flax seed oil, sns inhibit e, lean xt, and deciding between rpm or LR...thanks man

You could still stack both RPM and Leviathan Reloaded with all that, although, unless you've used each product before, it's a little overkill, and you may not know what is actually having what effect on you.

Also, personally, I would recommend dropping the CLA - you're getting your good fats through flaxseed oil.


~Team APPNUT

[TexasLifter89]

If you are cutting, then I would definitely recommend RPM & leviathan Reloaded together. Both offer a nice libido boost, Both offer increased energy (thermogenic properties), both work great. I think they would play to your benefit combined to be honest. Look around, I'm pretty sure someone has done a RPM & Leviathan Reloaded log around here somewhere...

[mrlargecalves]

I had great sucess with old levi formula. I havent tried the new one but have my doubts. RPM it top notch preworkout. kinda hard to dose but my choice when im off creatine.

[dre alvarez]

[QUOTE=Rosie Scott;2375025]You could still stack both RPM and Leviathan Reloaded with all that, although, unless you've used each product before, it's a little overkill, and you may not know what is actually having what effect on you.

Also, personally, I would recommend dropping the CLA - you're getting your good fats through flaxseed oil.


~Team APPNUT[


Ok so stick with flax, rpm, and LR then? Cause I do not want to overkill. Reason is, I'm just coming out of. 6 wk cycle of hdrol..I'm actually into my 4th wk of otc pct, that consist of...recycle, inhibit e, lean xt, and activate (ran out of act so ordered testo pro). I'm running a 6 wk pct, so I have 2 wks left. And after I wanted to "bridge" the cycle a little but more on a cut cycle. That's why I'm adding all these supps. U think I should wait and take 4 wks off, then run a cut? Or should I bridge it?

[dre alvarez]

If you are cutting, then I would definitely recommend RPM & leviathan Reloaded together. Both offer a nice libido boost, Both offer increased energy (thermogenic properties), both work great. I think they would play to your benefit combined to be honest. Look around, I'm pretty sure someone has done a RPM & Leviathan Reloaded log around here somewhere...

Same thing rosie said. Stack it up..I'm actually into my last 2 wks of pct, so after I'm done, I'm looking to bridge it run a cut. Thanks texas, might just do that

[dre alvarez]

I had great sucess with old levi formula. I havent tried the new one but have my doubts. RPM it top notch preworkout. kinda hard to dose but my choice when im off creatine.

Yea RPM seems great, got some samples coming in..another benefit, is that you don't have to deal with artificals such as.. ace k, sucralose, sucose, etc. found in powders, that makes you fat and carbs and still get the energy and pump..can wait to try it..

[mrlargecalves]

Yea RPM seems great, got some samples coming in..another benefit, is that you don't have to deal with artificals such as.. ace k, sucralose, sucose, etc. found in powders, that makes you fat and carbs and still get the energy and pump..can wait to try it..

lets us know how that works im curious to see how both stack together. rpm is a thermo as well so youll burn extra calories while you lift.

[dre alvarez]

lets us know how that works im curious to see how both stack together. rpm is a thermo as well so youll burn extra calories while you lift.

Will do MLC..ill post a log, maybe 2-3 wks into my cut cycle. Thanks for your opinions

[Rosie Chee]

If you are cutting, then I would definitely recommend RPM & leviathan Reloaded together. Both offer a nice libido boost, Both offer increased energy (thermogenic properties), both work great. I think they would play to your benefit combined to be honest. Look around, I'm pretty sure someone has done a RPM & Leviathan Reloaded log around here somewhere...

My time when I was using them together last year is in my 2009 Training/Supplementation Journal.

Ok so stick with flax, rpm, and LR then? Cause I do not want to overkill. Reason is, I'm just coming out of. 6 wk cycle of hdrol..I'm actually into my 4th wk of otc pct, that consist of...recycle, inhibit e, lean xt, and activate (ran out of act so ordered testo pro). I'm running a 6 wk pct, so I have 2 wks left. And after I wanted to "bridge" the cycle a little but more on a cut cycle. That's why I'm adding all these supps. U think I should wait and take 4 wks off, then run a cut? Or should I bridge it?

You could have mentioned that earlier. That changes things a little, and in that case, stay with what you have (excluding CLA). I would recommend using the RPM now during PCT, and once your PCT is finished (i.e. in 2 week) use the Leviathan Reloaded, and drop the Inhibit-E.

~Team APPNUT

[dre alvarez]

My time when I was using them together last year is in my 2009 Training/Supplementation Journal.




You could have mentioned that earlier. That changes things a little, and in that case, stay with what you have (excluding CLA). I would recommend using the RPM now during PCT, and once your PCT is finished (i.e. in 2 week) use the Leviathan Reloaded, and drop the Inhibit-E.

~Team APPNUT

Perfect advice rosie..thanks. yea, I should've mentioned it earlier lol. Just started tappering down on inhibit-e to one pill..this is my last week on inhibit e. For the next 2 wks, I'm running testo pro and rpm, including the flax and cla. Then will run LR after pct like you said to do...quick question (I have so many lol sorry) I want to run a non hormonal stack to boost HGH and insulin since I'm on a TKD, slin or glycobol would be perfect on carb loading phases...is it okay to run it after pct is over or wait about 4-8 wks before fooling with any hgh/insulin type of products? This is part Of my cutting phase but want to add lean mucsle at the same time. Thanks for everything..I'm learning a lot

[Rosie Chee]

Perfect advice rosie..thanks. yea, I should've mentioned it earlier lol. Just started tappering down on inhibit-e to one pill..this is my last week on inhibit e. For the next 2 wks, I'm running testo pro and rpm, including the flax and cla. Then will run LR after pct like you said to do...quick question (I have so many lol sorry) I want to run a non hormonal stack to boost HGH and insulin since I'm on a TKD, slin or glycobol would be perfect on carb loading phases...is it okay to run it after pct is over or wait about 4-8 wks before fooling with any hgh/insulin type of products? This is part Of my cutting phase but want to add lean mucsle at the same time. Thanks for everything..I'm learning a lot

As I said, you don't need the CLA.

You can start using a Growth Hormone booster and insulin mimetics whenever you want - and could have been using during PCT. Since you're close to the end of your PCT, I suggest just adding them in when you start Leviathan Reloaded.

~Team APPNUT

[dre alvarez]

As I said, you don't need the CLA.

You can start using a Growth Hormone booster and insulin mimetics whenever you want - and could have been using during PCT. Since you're close to the end of your PCT, I suggest just adding them in when you start Leviathan Reloaded.

~Team APPNUT

Thanks for all the advice rosie, you've been more than helpful...and yea that CLA, ill just save it lol. Thanks again

[Rosie Chee]

Thanks for all the advice rosie, you've been more than helpful...and yea that CLA, ill just save it lol. Thanks again

No worries; that's what I'm here for

~Team APPNUT

[ryanp81]

RPM IMO is very underated in regards to a thermo, I sweat like crazy when on it ( Gym/PT and even walking around ) in regards to leviathan, it does sound like a good combo, I absolutely loved the original leviathan and am not impressed with the re-vamped ( for the 3rd time ) version.

RPM is the best Thermo/ pre-wo product period !!!

[mrlargecalves]

can u explain the differences? ive taken 2nd version which worked great. ive heard the 1st one was really good too. im weary about the 3rd based on diff ingrediants. how was ur experience diff with the 3rd one.

[dre alvarez]

RPM IMO is very underated in regards to a thermo, I sweat like crazy when on it ( Gym/PT and even walking around ) in regards to leviathan, it does sound like a good combo, I absolutely loved the original leviathan and am not impressed with the re-vamped ( for the 3rd time ) version.

RPM is the best Thermo/ pre-wo product period !!!

I just ordered rpm 2 days ago (hopefully by tues I'll have it) but yea, great reviews, can't wait to try it out. I'm planning doing levianthan but a little skeptical about stacking it with another stim pro like rpm. However, I have non-stim alternatives, like lean xt or reduce xt, might do reduce since the ingredients are the same of the original LX...then throwing in a HG product..I'm ready for this summer lol

[ryanp81]

can u explain the differences? ive taken 2nd version which worked great. ive heard the 1st one was really good too. im weary about the 3rd based on diff ingrediants. how was ur experience diff with the 3rd one.

Didn't feel it one bit, there where slight difference between the OG leviathan and the reloaded for example the OG I just felt a good dose of energy between the Caff,YHCI and the trib, it didnt suppress my appetite persay but I felt disciplined not to eat crap foods and plus my metabolism felt on fire. The reloaded I got the same feeling but a little more of the YHCI rush and it completely destroyed my appetite and I have a strong feeling it was due to the combination of acacia rigidula, PEA and YHCI.

The 3rd one just didn't do squat and it didn't pan out nor has the new RAD, I've been a loyal customer of PA labs since it's birth and I'm sorry to say that I'll will never buy another product from them again, it's just a damn shame that there products don't do what they used to do for in terms of effectiveness. I've said it time and time again but why discontinue or revamp a new and improve product that has already proven an effective track record, I call bull

[ryanp81]

I just ordered rpm 2 days ago (hopefully by tues I'll have it) but yea, great reviews, can't wait to try it out. I'm planning doing levianthan but a little skeptical about stacking it with another stim pro like rpm. However, I have non-stim alternatives, like lean xt or reduce xt, might do reduce since the ingredients are the same of the original LX...then throwing in a HG product..I'm ready for this summer lol

Just to clarify and since this is in the Appnut thread ( which I feel that this thread should have initially been posted in the supplement thread ) that I'm not trying to smear the reputation of PA labs, they're a very innovative company and the OG Leviathan was one of the best Stims I've ever used, however being just a consumer and not in the business of marketing or product formulation I can't put myself in there shoes in regards to the directive they decided to go.

Appnut is a fantastic company and the reason why I will keep on using there products is simple, When I first bought a bottle of RPM to try out a year ago I noticed that there was a label/ingredient misprint, there was no L-arginine listed so I emailed Don and asked him why he took it out. I got a quick reply back and first off was told that I have a good eye as well as there was a label misprint and that Arginine is in it and I thought cool and thought nothing of it. An hour later I got another email from Don saying that another bottle RPM is on it's way courtesy of Applied Nutra. So I had a alot of RPM to last me awhile

[dre alvarez]

Just to clarify and since this is in the Appnut thread ( which I feel that this thread should have initially been posted in the supplement thread ) that I'm not trying to smear the reputation of PA labs, they're a very innovative company and the OG Leviathan was one of the best Stims I've ever used, however being just a consumer and not in the business of marketing or product formulation I can't put myself in there shoes in regards to the directive they decided to go.

Appnut is a fantastic company and the reason why I will keep on using there products is simple, When I first bought a bottle of RPM to try out a year ago I noticed that there was a label/ingredient misprint, there was no L-arginine listed so I emailed Don and asked him why he took it out. I got a quick reply back and first off was told that I have a good eye as well as there was a label misprint and that Arginine is in it and I thought cool and thought nothing of it. An hour later I got another email from Don saying that another bottle RPM is on it's way courtesy of Applied Nutra. So I had a alot of RPM to last me awhile

Lol wow..that's pretty sweet man..got u 2 months worth. Yep, so I popped 3 rpm pills an hr prior to workout, I didn't feel the instant rush but during the workout, I was so focus and energy levels were through roof, that did not want to stop working out, so I stopped after 2hrs of lifts..I did not want to burn muscle. So far so good, can't wait til later and see what today brings..I have quads and calves today, so I'm definitely going to need that extra push lol

[dre alvarez]

Ok so, I've been on RPM of exactly a week @ 4 caps a day. So far is been great, I normally take it @ 2pm, 2hrs after lunch and my lunch is usually, 96% lean ground turkey, 1 cup steamed broccoli, 1 tbsp natural PB, and 1 cup of salad (no dressing). Since is a low carb lunch, after 2 hrs I'm ready for rpm. Rpm doesn't kick in right away, however it hits me 45mins after taking it. My energy levels is good, not jittery at all, is smooth and sense of well-being in the gym, I can literally workout for hrs..it seems that my workouts is goes by fast, without even knowing. but the biggest attribute is my focus and pumps. Focus is through the roof, I just put my head phones on, touch screen Imusic on my phone, click on linkin park and ready to roll man lol. Pumps are amazing as well but I love the fact that it doesn't gives me a "bloated" pump like other preworkouts, it just gives me a hard/vascular pump that'll last even after cardio sessions and usually, ill look a bit depleted after cardio bc of a,, the water/sweat and not to mention I do cardio, after my training sessions that last about 1hr 30mins...so rpm keeps me pumped. Strength is also good, notice a bit more reps on my lifts, especially on squats. I decided not to stack another fat burner with rpm, bc rpm is really cutting me!...of course I eat and train right but its Definitely helping, I dropped about .5% body fat in a wk...that's amazing and while maintaining my weight. If I had to rate it now, is definitely a 10/10 for me bc my body is responding great to it. This is by far the best preworkout I've tried. Only con of rpm, is its delayed kick lol, wish it kicked in Immediately but other than that, is one of my favortie ALL time products already lol. Great job APNUT!.

I'll write a final review a few wks later and point out any changes good or bad. Til next time, later.....and 1 more hr before RPM and workout! Whew!

[Rosie Chee]

Ok so, I've been on RPM of exactly a week @ 4 caps a day. So far is been great, I normally take it @ 2pm, 2hrs after lunch and my lunch is usually, 96% lean ground turkey, 1 cup steamed broccoli, 1 tbsp natural PB, and 1 cup of salad (no dressing). Since is a low carb lunch, after 2 hrs I'm ready for rpm. Rpm doesn't kick in right away, however it hits me 45mins after taking it. My energy levels is good, not jittery at all, is smooth and sense of well-being in the gym, I can literally workout for hrs..it seems that my workouts is goes by fast, without even knowing. but the biggest attribute is my focus and pumps. Focus is through the roof, I just put my head phones on, touch screen Imusic on my phone, click on linkin park and ready to roll man lol. Pumps are amazing as well but I love the fact that it doesn't gives me a "bloated" pump like other preworkouts, it just gives me a hard/vascular pump that'll last even after cardio sessions and usually, ill look a bit depleted after cardio bc of a,, the water/sweat and not to mention I do cardio, after my training sessions that last about 1hr 30mins...so rpm keeps me pumped. Strength is also good, notice a bit more reps on my lifts, especially on squats. I decided not to stack another fat burner with rpm, bc rpm is really cutting me!...of course I eat and train right but its Definitely helping, I dropped about .5% body fat in a wk...that's amazing and while maintaining my weight. If I had to rate it now, is definitely a 10/10 for me bc my body is responding great to it. This is by far the best preworkout I've tried. Only con of rpm, is its delayed kick lol, wish it kicked in Immediately but other than that, is one of my favortie ALL time products already lol. Great job APNUT!.

I'll write a final review a few wks later and point out any changes good or bad. Til next time, later.....and 1 more hr before RPM and workout! Whew!

Thanks heaps for your mini-review of RPM, and glad that you're experiencing the full range of benefits and effects of it - it's a gem, for sure

~Team APPNUT

[dre alvarez]

Thanks heaps for your mini-review of RPM, and glad that you're experiencing the full range of benefits and effects of it - it's a gem, for sure

~Team APPNUT

No problem rosie. Rpm is working really well for. Now looking add, lipotrophin-pm but skeptical bc I'm also on, AI glycobol, which mimics insulin and transport glucose to the muscle, and from what I read, lipo pm transport glucose also. So I don't think it'll be a great idea to mix the 2, it'll probably drop my blood sugar levels to low.

[Rosie Chee]

No problem rosie. Rpm is working really well for. Now looking add, lipotrophin-pm but skeptical bc I'm also on, AI glycobol, which mimics insulin and transport glucose to the muscle, and from what I read, lipo pm transport glucose also. So I don't think it'll be a great idea to mix the 2, it'll probably drop my blood sugar levels to low.

You can use Lipotrophin-PM if you're using Glycobol - I did. Although Lipotrophin-PM contains Banaba Extract, your blood sugar levels are not going to get too low if you use both - not sure where you got that idea (I use many products that have such ingredients in all at once, including IGF-2, Lipotrophin-PM, NeoVar, etc., and sometimes add in others too - like I did with the Glycobol, and also when I used SLIN and Yellow Gold, etc.).

~Team APPNUT

[dre alvarez]

You can use Lipotrophin-PM if you're using Glycobol - I did. Although Lipotrophin-PM contains Banaba Extract, your blood sugar levels are not going to get too low if you use both - not sure where you got that idea (I use many products that have such ingredients in all at once, including IGF-2, Lipotrophin-PM, NeoVar, etc., and sometimes add in others too - like I did with the Glycobol, and also when I used SLIN and Yellow Gold, etc.).

~Team APPNUT

Okay great, I'm placeing my order on liptrophin pm...plenty reviews saying is great for sleep but is it an effective fat burner? Thanks again rosie

[Rosie Chee]

Okay great, I'm placeing my order on liptrophin pm...plenty reviews saying is great for sleep but is it an effective fat burner? Thanks again rosie

I personally don't use it as a fat burner, but others have and do. It works fine as a fat burner if all other ingredients for fat loss are right.

~Team APPNUT