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    The One is discontinued...


    Recieved an email due to FDA activity!

    Will this be also stopping the upcoming releases that you have planned for 2009!

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    Quote Originally Posted by small_guy View Post
    Recieved an email due to FDA activity!

    Will this be also stopping the upcoming releases that you have planned for 2009!
    got the same e-mail. wow, everyone is pulling out
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    i got this email too.with a buy one get one free offer.i tried to order but it said the coupon didn't work.looks like most companies are going to start pulling there stuff tho.goodbye to The One
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    I just called and talked to AP and they said, yep no more the ONE, its buy 1 get 1 for free, just call its the fastest way to get orders processed, but they said it looks like ALL 17A methyls will be banned. SO sad, theres a short tyme to snatch up the PH/DS that you can afford, hahahahaha


    STILL NO DEF. BAN DATE, BUT ITS COMING
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    Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    I just called and talked to AP and they said, yep no more the ONE, its buy 1 get 1 for free, just call its the fastest way to get orders processed, but they said it looks like ALL 17A methyls will be banned. SO sad, theres a short tyme to snatch up the PH/DS that you can afford, hahahahaha


    STILL NO DEF. BAN DATE, BUT ITS COMING
    are there PHs that arent 17a methyls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark118 View Post
    are there PHs that arent 17a methyls?
    I will leave that one to sumone that cares to argue, anyone care to explain the difference between PH's, DS's, and AAS's. Dont know all the technical jargon on this, and dont really care to get flamed any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark118 View Post
    are there PHs that arent 17a methyls?
    yes, as a matter of fact the one compound that started all this is not 17A (tren-like compounds)
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    so whats gonna be left when this goes down or when the bill is passed and whatnot
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    it was doing so well and then this!

    if only they would produce it outside the US and then they could continue
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    Can anyone share the coupon code. I would love to try this product before it goes away... if you don't want to post it, could someone pm it to me???
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    Code works on the AN homepage..... test it out.... you may need to add 2 "The One/2nd Gear" combos to the cart for the code to be in effect. (this was feedback I read on another forum)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark118 View Post
    it was doing so well and then this!

    if only they would produce it outside the US and then they could continue
    if your going to go that route, you might just want to go with AAS. i mean, if you're going to break the law
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    if your going to go that route, you might just want to go with AAS. i mean, if you're going to break the law
    Yeah, might as well go all or nothing when risking it with customs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by small_guy View Post
    Recieved an email due to FDA activity!

    Will this be also stopping the upcoming releases that you have planned for 2009!
    No, this will NOT affect the new product releases that we have for later this year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    No, this will NOT affect the new product releases that we have for later this year!

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    God, this breaks my damn heart. The One is the only PH I would even consider running as it appears to be the safest (and doesn't require me to illegally acquire a SERM).

    I'm trying to figure out a tacit way to ask this, but let's just go with this:

    Will the new products coming out this year be as effective as The One?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDLMaj View Post
    God, this breaks my damn heart. The One is the only PH I would even consider running as it appears to be the safest (and doesn't require me to illegally acquire a SERM).

    I'm trying to figure out a tacit way to ask this, but let's just go with this:

    Will the new products coming out this year be as effective as The One?
    You will have to wait and see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    No, this will NOT affect the new product releases that we have for later this year!

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    Thank you for that info- I was curious and good to hear.
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    arggg, i've been on the fence for so long about doing a cycle of the one... just havent made up my mind quite yet. Guess I only have a couple of more days to figure it out! Any chance the sale will be extended to get rid of your remaining stock?
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    will last of the stock still be shipped to UK sellers, eg as they are out of stock at the moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    You will have to wait and see

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    Rosie, is there sumone already running a test log on this product?
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    Quote Originally Posted by someonehs View Post
    arggg, i've been on the fence for so long about doing a cycle of the one... just havent made up my mind quite yet. Guess I only have a couple of more days to figure it out! Any chance the sale will be extended to get rid of your remaining stock?



    Quote Originally Posted by Chub View Post
    will last of the stock still be shipped to UK sellers, eg as they are out of stock at the moment
    Not sure...


    Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    Rosie, is there sumone already running a test log on this product?
    There is more than one new product being released later this year...

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    So is it unsafe or something and being discontinued? Is it just government going overboard like usual?

    I mean this is a GREAT deal, but there must be a reason why the FDA is after products like this. Just curious.
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    As far as I know, the FDA only targeted one particular company. So they haven't specifically come after AppNu or The One. But the warning letter sent out to that company was very clearly a warning letter to EVERY company. The itemized list of violations all (except for one I believe) apply to The One. Companies are pulling out before the FDA decides to start issuing sanctions.

    To be blunt, products like The One occupy a legal grey area. Companies have marketed their products as dietary supplements because the FDA has very little regulatory power over anything classified as such. In reality, as the FDA has pointed out, they aren't dietary supplements- they're new drugs that should involve NDAs. Some companies have been smarter than others about their products, and unfortunately the company that started all of this was just plain stupid about it. NOTHING about their products actually qualified them as dietary supplements- whereas most other companies have at least made cosmetic attempts to qualify their products as dietary supplements. There were also serious labeling violations that should never have been allowed by the company.

    I'm personally of the mind that based on the logic that classifies steroids as Schedule-III substances, all prohormones should be illegal. That doesn't mean that I personally want to see them made illegal, but they do not fall under the purview of dietary supplements as defined by Congress and the FDA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNinja View Post
    So is it unsafe or something and being discontinued? Is it just government going overboard like usual?

    I mean this is a GREAT deal, but there must be a reason why the FDA is after products like this. Just curious.
    Mostly because they think you are too stupid to make your own decisions about what goes into your body. Consider that the UK is being fined millions of dollars a year for refusing to allow US beef to be imported because it doesn't meet their standards. Government agencies are just plain silly, bureaucrats exist solely to provide for their own continued existence....
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Mostly because they think you are too stupid to make your own decisions about what goes into your body. Consider that the UK is being fined millions of dollars a year for refusing to allow US beef to be imported because it doesn't meet their standards. Government agencies are just plain silly, bureaucrats exist solely to provide for their own continued existence....
    Funny you should bring up the beef ban- that was the first thing I thought of when I heard about the FDA letter. The same agency that is taking a hard stance against prohormones allows the Beef industry to pump their cattle with so many synthetic hormones (specifically synthetic estrogen) that the EU has refused to import it for years. They won't feed it to their citizens because it's so unhealthy. (side note: when gymbo's in the US rant and rave about soy increasing estrogen and then run off and eat a bunch of beef instead, I laugh at them)

    Welcome to the fun world of the FDA- where the only thing that's consistent is their support for big business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNinja View Post
    So is it unsafe or something and being discontinued? Is it just government going overboard like usual?

    I mean this is a GREAT deal, but there must be a reason why the FDA is after products like this. Just curious.
    The FDA has been pretty clear that they want all prohormones and related products banned. To date their actions have been random and subjective. Although there is legislation from last June, this does not include the compound that is The ONE. However, Applied Nutriceuticals has evaluated all of the factors for and against and have made their decision.

    Needless to say, there are many other products in our lineup and more to come in the near future.


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    its a shame that in terms of raw gains other products on the market dont match up to that of PHs
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    BTW - how should "The One" be stored in its unopened package ? Is it OK to keep it at room temp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FATRABBIT View Post
    BTW - how should "The One" be stored in its unopened package ? Is it OK to keep it at room temp?
    Got all my stock in one of those ever fresh bags and then i put that into a ziplok freezer bag, make sure the lids are on tight too, have found that some manufactures lids are on a lil loose. Then i just put them in a dark,cool, dry place. I would vacu seal them, but dont own equip. There are a few other storage methods out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDLMaj View Post
    Funny you should bring up the beef ban- that was the first thing I thought of when I heard about the FDA letter. The same agency that is taking a hard stance against prohormones allows the Beef industry to pump their cattle with so many synthetic hormones (specifically synthetic estrogen) that the EU has refused to import it for years. They won't feed it to their citizens because it's so unhealthy. (side note: when gymbo's in the US rant and rave about soy increasing estrogen and then run off and eat a bunch of beef instead, I laugh at them)

    Welcome to the fun world of the FDA- where the only thing that's consistent is their support for big business.
    Interesting conversation- I will chime in- there is one issue that counts when it comes to discussing prohormones and legality: interpretation. For several years leading up to this event, dietary supplement companies were (and some still are) interpreting FDA inaction as acceptance of legality. Unfortunately, the FDA is taking an entirely different stance/interpretation- now they are classifying that PHs are actually unapproved new drug substances, and must be recalled or taken off the market immediately.

    cGMP compliance for the industry also plays into this quite a bit- most of the contract mfrs. that manufacture for the rest of the companies on this board (not us, we are cGMP and do it ourselves) are up for inspection as of June 10. If a mandatory inspection occurs at a contract mfr. and they find out they have been mfg. PHs, they are in deep doo-doo.

    At best, the inspection is going to be VERY invasive and the agents will do their best to find EVERY violation/observation that they can, and they will stay in the facility for at least a few days, in not weeks going through mfg. records, logs, intake records, plant cleanliness, plant construction, etc. At worst, the responsible person at said contract manfacturing facility and some of the management will end up going to jail (no bs) because they are knowingly manufacturing an unapproved new drug without a license. It is up to arbitrary agent enforcement, unfortunately

    It is going to be very hard to find a lot of contract mfrs. that will even touch these compounds, especially since their bread-and-butter is more benign products, like BCAAs, creatine, vitamins, etc. I also don't see a lot of these marketing companies trying to set up their own facility and doing it themselves- it ain't easy, especially now. It takes a lot of technical skill, and knowledge of:
    - cGMPs (whole different language)
    - pharmaceutical machinery and how to fix something if it breaks (**** happens sometimes)
    - validation of processes and process control
    - site management and contract management
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    - facility design and engineering
    - cleaning validation
    - keeping proper records (we have 30 different logbooks to keep, plus 3,000+ pages of written SOPs)
    - ton of other stuff beyond the scope of this list

    It took me a long time to become proficient in all of the above- and a ton of training- the same with the rest of the manufacturers- they probably aren't going to put their livelihood on the line for something like PHs, especially when they account for a very small proportion of their revenue stream- doesn't make any sense. Some guys are undoubtedly going to try to go overseas and try to get these products mfr'd there, but then quality becomes a MAJOR issue- I can tell you some horror stories, LOL. I think this is going to be the end of this side of the market, but more due to enforcement on the cGMP-side of things, and no mfr. wanting to touch the stuff any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FATRABBIT View Post
    BTW - how should "The One" be stored in its unopened package ? Is it OK to keep it at room temp?
    If the bottle is unopened make sure that you store it in a dark, dry, cool place. It will last ~5 years this way (if unopened that entire time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    If the bottle is unopened make sure that you store it in a dark, dry, cool place. It will last 5-7 years this way (if unopened that entire time).

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    that seems like a long time. do you think other pro hormones would still be good after that length of time? I've read heaps of times that havoc was good for up to 2 years if stored right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chub View Post
    that seems like a long time. do you think other pro hormones would still be good after that length of time? I've read heaps of times that havoc was good for up to 2 years if stored right.
    Typo; my bad.

    The shelf-life of The ONE is 2-5 years, depending on how it is stored: If not stored well it will last ~2 years (or less); if kept in a cool, dark (and dry) place it will last ~5 years.


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