Anyone get slightly puffy nipples on The One?
- 04-20-2009, 07:44 PM
Anyone get slightly puffy nipples on The One?
Ive never used a PH before and I am currently on my 3rd day of the one. I have some slightly puffy nipples. It is not painful, not tender, no fibrous tissue. I just want to make sure it is not gyno, I have been told this is common due to hormonal changes in the body... Does this go away by itself or what?
- 04-21-2009, 12:34 AM
Hello. Well first off buddy I hope that what your experiencing is not what you think it is. To be honest, according to the others that have logged there experiences with The ONE I have not read any of them experiencing your issues. Its my understanding though that when you get gyno that they do get puffy but painful to the touch? Maybe someone here that has had it can share there experience so that you can see if its the same? Goodluck
04-21-2009, 04:18 AM
04-21-2009, 10:00 PM
I gave you advice over PM's that this is somewhat normal amongst hormonal use for some people. Hopefully you remember as well that Nolva is not novedex xt by Gaspari, but is a true SERM. Good luck and I am sorry you decided to stop your cycle.
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04-22-2009, 03:35 AM
First off...You are not ready to be running PH's. It sounds like you jumped the gun. Secondly, you do not have gyno. If you are really that paranoid that you have it then go to a doctor to find out for sure. You can get puffy nipples just from drinking too much water, or taking in excess calories. In essence, your puffy nipples are most likely caused by water retention.
For future reference...make sure you do all the necessary research before deciding to run a hormonal product. You still sound a bit inexperienced to be running a PH.
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04-22-2009, 08:48 PM
stop rubbing them and playing with them
and yes im serious so many peopel get paranoid and start rubbing thier nips causing self induced issues lol
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04-23-2009, 09:59 AM
However Im ordering my nolva now. Just so i have it handy. I planned on ordering it a week before PCT but I want to have it now for peace of mind.
Im trying to recomp on TO and I certainly dont want those fatty pecs to get worse lol!
I guess the fear, is that having elevated estrogen levels because of the prescence of the hormone may aggravate tissue I may have developed over the years I didnt train and was sedentary.
Think its over cautionary to add some nolva to the cycle or pct?
04-23-2009, 02:17 PM
IMO no such thing as a word overcautionary as each human body works diff and what is for me isnt for you etc.
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04-23-2009, 05:57 PM
Thanks Outside Backer, I spoke with Easy briefly on this too. Im keeping a close eye on it. Does it seem to be any worse but there is a bit of tenderness or soreness.
Can I call a rep over the weekend? Id like to discuss dosing in the event I'd want to add that in. I'll have the SERM on hand by saturday.
04-23-2009, 06:49 PM
06-29-2009, 08:22 PM
I have puffy nipples myself after a week and a half of The One and one of them (right) is uncomfortable to touch with a lump under it so I'm starting 10mg of Nolva today just in case it becomes gyno. Only running the PH for 3 weeks total anyway at 3 caps per day (shorter cycle than normal given that theres 110 caps in bottle) and really wasn't expecting this so soon. Going to run the Nolva at 10mg for the next 2-3 weeks and start on the 2nd Gear when you would normally - i.e. as soon as I'm done with The One (10 days time).
I'm using the nolva as a precautionary measure but if anyone can tell me if there's something better I can do to prevent this from becoming gyno and to maximise gains (under the circumstances) please feel free to tell me and I will gladly take all advice on board.
06-29-2009, 09:03 PM
However, know that it is physiologically IMpossible for The ONE to give you gyno, as it is a non-aromatizable 5a-reduced compound; and a non-aromatizable 5a-reduced compound cannot give you gyno because that compound creates the opposite hormonal environment for gyno to form - i.e. no conversion of androgens to estrogen, greater binding affinity to the androgen receptors, greater androgenic potency, etc.; and once a compound has become 5a-reduced this is an irreversible process.
06-29-2009, 09:25 PM
That's great to hear that it can't give you gyno but I can't understand why I'm getting the early symptoms of it now. It's weird one nipple is way bigger than the other and I can feel the discomfort without even touching it.
50-60mg of nolva sounds like a lot considering how harsh it can be on the liver and are you suggesting I use this at the same time as The One or to drop it from now on in?
I'm less worried about the gyno now that you have said this but there is nothing else I can think of that could cause this. I have used other PHs before and not experienced this side effect. It was only natural of me to assume that The One was causing it. Whilst I now know that The One cannot be responsible I have to accept I have got it somehow and still need to deal with it.
06-29-2009, 09:32 PM
I wouldnt say it is impossible to get gyno while on the one. I will say though that I am gyno sensitive and I didnt have the slightest irritation while on my One cycle. But, since the One lowers SHBG levels, and this can cause gyno via free'd up estrogen, it is a possibility (albeit a very slight one).
I am also very skeptical when people say they have gyno symptoms on The One. As it is (IMHO) has a smaller gyno risk than any PH/DS on the market.
06-29-2009, 09:44 PM
Keep running The ONE while using the Nolva.
06-30-2009, 07:23 AM
Thanks for the info. The last cycle I did was 3 months ago and I did Havoc but it was a pulse 3 days a week with AI on off days followed by 4 weeks of Mass FX and Hyperdrol X2 so that wouldn't be as severe as a full blown Havoc cycle. I have used Havoc in the past though but it was 2 years ago and did 5 weeks using it everyday but had no gyno issues. I guess it must be the rebound then if it can't be The One or maybe a little bit of both has caused this. What I'm experiencing is probably not enough to worry experienced users; I'm just trying to nip it in the bud early on. The Nolvadex should sort this out hopefully.
Just to clarify then: next 10 days I will have 3 caps of The One with my lunch and start nolvadex at a high dose and taper down to 10 mg by the end of the 10 days. From what I read, there is no need to use the nolva after this period and I should go on to the "2nd Gear" PCT product that came with it. Would it be a bad idea to continue the nolva for an extra week at a low dose stacked with the 2nd gear? Thanks for the tips and I will let you know if it works
06-30-2009, 08:54 AM
3 months ago, could very well be a rebound issue then. Guejsn is right on point there. Did you use any type of AI? Maybe in "disguise", a lot of formulations out there that have some sort of AI in them, 6bromo, atd, 6oxo, formestane..
Check attached graph, rebound spiking after 10 weeks, its after letrozole but mechanism may be the same, surpressed estro rebounding, low T+DHT vs estro levels, too low SHBG (binds estro too, not just test) can cause gyno. Doesnt The One lower SHBG btw? Interesting point there..
And watch yourself very closely a few months post cycle if you're having issues now.
Anecdotally The one diminshed my gyno on cycle but it rebounded with a vengeance way post pct..
Keep that nolva stocked..
06-30-2009, 03:06 PM
06-30-2009, 04:14 PM
Thanks for the replies. I was using ALRI restore on my off-days while on Havoc (The Havoc was for 5and I started introducing the AI on 3rd week of this. As I said I then went on to Maxx FX and Hyperdrol X2 for 5 weeks. Thats 8 weeks total of 6-bromo use albeit not everyday for first 3 weeks. I had this in mind as I didn't want to use 6-bromo for more than 8 weeks. I then had a month with no supps before starting The One. I know this may or may not have been a little soon but I only intended to run 20 days instead of 30 anyway.
Quick question while I'm posting - should I be using milk thistle to help with the added strain on my liver the nolva will now be causing? I won't be taking it close to The One to avoid negating its effects but perhaps before bed would be wise? Thanks again.
06-30-2009, 06:43 PM
06-30-2009, 07:21 PM
Thanks I will take it late in the day so its far apart from The One.
Latest report is that the other nipple now has a smaller lump under it and my erections aren't full strength. Has the high dose of nolvadex in any way caused the slight erectile dysfunction? Yesterday it seemed fine. Sorry for hijacking the thread by the way I just seem to be getting good help from the people here on it
By the way, if I keep checking my nipples say twice a day am I going to make things a lot worse as I'm stimulating the growth? I try my best to just touch lightly and not that often.
Also my friend who has run the same supplements as me for the past 6 months has got the same thing happening with his nipples after asking him today.
07-01-2009, 09:01 AM
Woke up this morning and the lump seems to be getting bigger. How long does it normally take before the growth is reversed and you start to see signs of it diminishing? Should I hope to see this in the next few days?
07-01-2009, 09:23 AM
Are you sure your nolva is legit? What kind do you have? Is it Tamoxifen Citrate? It should act quite fast, like in 3 days.
07-01-2009, 11:42 AM
Yeah its tamoxifen citrate. Not sure if I'm allowed to say the actual name of it or where I got it but both are legitimate names. Is it ok to keep checking each day or should I just not touch it at all? I will see how it feels tomorrow before I get worried.
07-01-2009, 12:23 PM
07-01-2009, 05:37 PM
Touching triggers prolactin release. Prolactin induces mammary gland growth in presence of estrogen. Sucks doesnt it..
07-01-2009, 07:00 PM
07-02-2009, 02:59 AM
07-03-2009, 08:56 PM
I will update on it because I do agree, you often never hear from people again once something goes wrong with their cycle. They just seem to disappear from the forums. Well I can now report that the size of the nipple is now smaller and the puffyness has gone down and the sensitivity has gone. If I put 2 fingers wide and squeeze, I can still feel the lump underneath and I don't want to touch it so I only did this test once today. The lump is definitely smaller and if I am honest, anyone looking at me with my top off wouldn't know the difference. Hopefully it continues to go down and finally disappear.
By the way if nolva is so good at preventing the dreaded man boobs then why don't all users incorporate it on cycle? Is it due to the extra stress on the liver or something else? I wasn't sure about running it the same time as The One but nobody has warned me off it so I'm glad I used it and glad I got the advice from various people so thanks to all those who gave the good advice.
07-03-2009, 09:23 PM
The One and 2nd Gear for an explanation.
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