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  1. some real good ideas here. I would imagine animal is taking note


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Universal Rep View Post
    Why oat-based over malto/dex/WMS?
    More of a steady spike than anything quick, also the fiber. Last year I tried some different gainers and found one that was oat based and it worked pretty good, flavoring was ok...that and it stayed with me like an actual meal. Other typical MRP or weight gainers I drink them in place of a meal and within an hour I'm starving again. I use them not as weight gainers but actual meals for when I have back to back clients and no time to get in solid food. Just a thought.

    Don't get me wrong I have used Real Gains before and it's a solid product.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Hoomgar View Post
    This is the easiest question of the month for me. Been wanting this for a long long time from corp...

    Casein Protein powder. To be used as/in the bedtime shake. Vanilla first please

    Hg
    It was worth a re-post IMO

  4. Quote Originally Posted by MrDead View Post
    Valerian, Hops, Melatonin, ZMA... We recover when we're resting and sleep is very important for that...
    x2 i was about to say this.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by dannynb View Post
    More of a steady spike than anything quick, also the fiber. Last year I tried some different gainers and found one that was oat based and it worked pretty good, flavoring was ok...that and it stayed with me like an actual meal. Other typical MRP or weight gainers I drink them in place of a meal and within an hour I'm starving again. I use them not as weight gainers but actual meals for when I have back to back clients and no time to get in solid food. Just a thought.

    Don't get me wrong I have used Real Gains before and it's a solid product.
    Your concerns are pretty common. Too many fellas are, IMHO, overly worried about simple carbs. Still... Consider the blunting effect of the other macros on CHO... If you were consuming straight malto/dex, it's one thing, but adding PRO blunts the glycemic response. That said, PWO having the benefit of quick carbs has its benefits. I like oats myself, but oas can have the ability to slow things down (fiber as you say) and it can sit in your gut much longer than a quick carb. On a bulk, the name of the game is having as big an appetite as possible... Not sayin' oats is bad, but in some instances, malto/dex can be better... Yes, better. Even the ISSN recommends glucose, malto and even sucrose in "nutrient timing" but not fructose as much...
  6. rcrott1
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    if you dont have the appetite for it, then this may not be the game you need to be in.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Universal Rep View Post
    Your concerns are pretty common. Too many fellas are, IMHO, overly worried about simple carbs. Still... Consider the blunting effect of the other macros on CHO... If you were consuming straight malto/dex, it's one thing, but adding PRO blunts the glycemic response. That said, PWO having the benefit of quick carbs has its benefits. I like oats myself, but oas can have the ability to slow things down (fiber as you say) and it can sit in your gut much longer than a quick carb. On a bulk, the name of the game is having as big an appetite as possible... Not sayin' oats is bad, but in some instances, malto/dex can be better... Yes, better. Even the ISSN recommends glucose, malto and even sucrose in "nutrient timing" but not fructose as much...
    I agree for a bulk Real Gains is great and the faster absorption allows for more calories to be consumed in a given time. But for just an actual meal replacement, not necassarilly a bulk I was curious if an oat based could be more beneficial by being slower digesting allowing for normal alloted time between meals. I'm not overly worried about simple carbs, just that when I am with a client and drink an MRP shake, within an hour again I'm starving and still have an hour or two before my next scheduled meal. Something a little heavier that could stay with you a bit longer would help in these instances. Overall I prefer solid food but Personal Training can be hectic when you're overloaded with clients. Like I said I like Real Gains and use it during the off season, it was just a thought. When bulking like I am now...I'm downing Real Gains in between meals to help get in my 5500-6000 cals (yes most days I wanna puke). I've even resorted to using House's shake 3 scoops whey, 5g creatine, 1 cup oats, 4 spoons natty pb and water....alot to choke down but it works.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by rcrott1 View Post
    if you dont have the appetite for it, then this may not be the game you need to be in.
    Trust me I have the appetite for it. I could post up my daily meal plan....LOL

  9. Quote Originally Posted by dannynb View Post
    I agree for a bulk Real Gains is great and the faster absorption allows for more calories to be consumed in a given time. But for just an actual meal replacement, not necassarilly a bulk I was curious if an oat based could be more beneficial by being slower digesting allowing for normal alloted time between meals. I'm not overly worried about simple carbs, just that when I am with a client and drink an MRP shake, within an hour again I'm starving and still have an hour or two before my next scheduled meal. Something a little heavier that could stay with you a bit longer would help in these instances. Overall I prefer solid food but Personal Training can be hectic when you're overloaded with clients. Like I said I like Real Gains and use it during the off season, it was just a thought. When bulking like I am now...I'm downing Real Gains in between meals to help get in my 5500-6000 cals (yes most days I wanna puke). I've even resorted to using House's shake 3 scoops whey, 5g creatine, 1 cup oats, 4 spoons natty pb and water....alot to choke down but it works.
    In general, whole foods are preferred over supps, D. That's true enough. The point I was makin' was a general point about the glycemic response of mixed foods. Also, about a specific type of hard gainer--the one who has little appetite and might benefit from shakes as they are digested more quickly. I wasn't saying that malto/dex was better than oats in all cases. Far from it... In general, I prefer oats over malto, dex, or other carb sources--but I'm open enough to know that in some cases, the latter may be preferred over the former...

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Universal Rep View Post
    In general, whole foods are preferred over supps, D. That's true enough. The point I was makin' was a general point about the glycemic response of mixed foods. Also, about a specific type of hard gainer--the one who has little appetite and might benefit from shakes as they are digested more quickly. I wasn't saying that malto/dex was better than oats in all cases. Far from it... In general, I prefer oats over malto, dex, or other carb sources--but I'm open enough to know that in some cases, the latter may be preferred over the former...
    My bad...I understand now. LOL. Sorry been running on little sleep.

    I do agree for those having trouble eating the necassary calories for growth can benefit from malto/dex combo hell when I'am having a hard time getting in my meals I revert to shakes casue some days it's just damn hard to put your face into another plate of food. I have noticed how people seem to only look at the carbs whether simple or complex and forget to realize that the pro and fats mixed in changes the game in digestion. Thanks for bringing that point up.
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  11. I love this topic. Me and my friends always joke about possible Animal products and one of my most realistic was Animal Psych, ginseng, ginko, green tea extract and some stims would be a nice focus supplement for either in the gym or office or school.
  12. I was thinking of this....


    Animal Stacked

    Supplement Facts:
    Serving Size: 1 Pak
    Servings Per Container: 21
    Amount Per Serving:
    Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid): 50mg
    Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine HCl): 10mg
    Calcium (as sulfate, phosphate): 200mg
    Zinc (as picolinate): 15mg
    Chromium (as picolinate): 100mcg

    PROHORMONE COMPLEX:
    Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione 100mg
    4-chloro-17ά-methyl-etioallochol-4-ene-17β-ol-3,11-dione: 15mg
    5a- androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether: 200mg


    LH BOOSTERS:
    LongJack Extract: 500mg
    L-Carnitine: 100mg
    Avena Sativa Extract: 200mg
    (Standardized for avenacosides A&B)

    GROWTH HORMONE SECRETAGOGUES:
    L-Arginine Pyroglutamate: 2.5g
    L-Ornithine Alpha-Ketoglutarate: 1.3g
    L-Taurine: 750mg
    Mucuna Pruriens Extract: 300mg
    (Standardized for 20% L-dopa)

    ANTI-AROMATASE INHIBITORS:
    Chrysin: 250mg
    Calcium D glucarate: 100mg
    Diindolymethane (dim): 100mg

    DHT BLOCKERS:
    Beta Sitosterol: 250mg
    Saw Palmetto (fruit): 200mg
    Pygeum Africanum Hook f. (bark): 50mg

    THERMOGENIC FACTORS:
    Guarana Extract: 570mg
    (standardized for 20-29% steroidal saponins)
    Bitter Orange Extract: 500mg
    (standardized for 4% synephrine)
    Coleus Forskohlii Extract: 50mg
    (standardized for 20% forskohlin)

    LIVER DETOXIFIERS:
    Lysolphosphatidylcholine: 100mg
    Milk Thistle (seed): 200mg

    Directions:
    Take one pak daily, 45 minutes prior to exercise. Cycle this product for maximum results following a schedule of three weeks on and 6 weeks off. Do not take more than two paks in any 24 hour period.

  13. Interesting ideas to say the least...

  14. What about a greens powder for the Universal line, for all those guys who dont eat there green veg.
  15. rcrott1
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    Quote Originally Posted by treetrunklegs View Post
    What about a greens powder for the Universal line, for all those guys who dont eat there green veg.
    eat your veggies!!! lol.

  16. A dream supp? How bout dessicated liver tabs?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Universal Rep View Post
    A dream supp? How bout dessicated liver tabs?
    That is a great idea! LOL!

    Hg

  18. How about a recomp product? toss some of the Cuts goodies in there, along with some 6-bromo and some divanil. Strength + fat loss in the same can would sell pretty good id say. Animal Mold? Animal Hunt?

  19. I would love a greens powder product as well.


    a full greens profile,along with some other goodies to rival all the other greens products,maybe with a twist or two done universal style.


    seems like more of a universal product but I can see this now....


    ANIMAL greens!

  20. That Animal Stacked would probably run for over $100/bottle, lol....
    anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/189130-iforce-intimidate-log.html
    iForce INTIMIDATE Log/Review

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Genetiks80 View Post
    I would love a greens powder product as well.


    a full greens profile,along with some other goodies to rival all the other greens products,maybe with a twist or two done universal style.


    seems like more of a universal product but I can see this now....


    ANIMAL greens!
    I'd like to see a greens product too. Also, maybe a fiber supp...

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Universal Rep View Post
    I'd like to see a greens product too. Also, maybe a fiber supp...
    And a bedtime pure Casein powder by Universal. Serious!

  23. Torrent, without the carbs... For those of us that are cutting or in contest prep... Oh, wait... They do!!! Introducing... Torrent Zero!!!
    http://www.universalnutrition.com/st...uct.cfm?id=394

  24. Whole food Animal Pak. A whole pack of pills containing tons of nutrition from real food.

  25. ANIMAL GH

    or

    ANIMAL TEST/GH but with more of a test kick then the current Animal test.

  26. or since you got the ANIMAL PM now, you need an ANIMAL AM, something you can actually take on an empty stomach to kick start the metabolism and fight muscle breakdown

  27. Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Whole food Animal Pak. A whole pack of pills containing tons of nutrition from real food.
    If you made this in an overprocessed fashion, it could lose it's credibility, but if you put it through process that didn't destroy the enzymes, the way you already do with Uni-Liver, you could make an amazing product for us guys who burn the candle. I would actually drop my current brand of multi, which isn't Animal.

  28. I'd like to see a quality digestive enzyme pack...

  29. Quote Originally Posted by MrDead View Post
    I'd like to see a quality digestive enzyme pack...
    Agreed. We get a good hit with our daily Pak but it would be good to have something that could be used with the rest of the meals too.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Hoomgar View Post
    Agreed. We get a good hit with our daily Pak but it would be good to have something that could be used with the rest of the meals too.
    Especially, when one is digesting 360g of protein per day... *LOL* (Srs, actually...)
  

  
 

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