With the recent threads popping up everywhere like " Can I take creatine" or can I take XXXXX im leaving for ( insert branch of service here). I decided to post this thread in hopes I can cut down on these questions. Im not a know all, Im only speaking from experience, research and hear say from seniority. This is not a tell all guide but it should help ease any crazy clutter on the board.
First thing first, This is a quote from this site and is not my own writing This is a partial quote detailing Ph / As and supp use. I didnt include the Illegal drugs because if ur using them then your wrong either way and I dont want to contribute to that.
Originally Posted by AnonymousSACO View Post
4. Now to the AS issue. If you reference the list above, you will not find a single listing for any kind of AS/PH. Thats because the facilities that the Navy/Marine Corps use, which are located in J'Ville FL, and San Diego, CA, can not screen for AS/PH. They just dont have the equipment. The Navy/Marine Corps has to send samples for steroid testing to Dr. Caitlin's lab at UCLA. The most recent price for this test ws $250.00.
5. So how does the military actually test for steroids then? Well this is kind of a nebulous issue. First, you have to be suspected of use and the command then has to have probable cause to ask you for a sample. Now comes the question, well how in the heck does the command get probable cause. Like I said, its a nebulous issue. Anyone reading these threads knows the sides associated with using AS/PH's and which ones can become apparent to your co-workers.
If your command thinks it has probable cause, they will probably already have consulted with base legal, they will ask you to consent to providing a sample. They are going to ask you this because it ellimnates the need to prove probable cause. If you do not consent, the commanding officer will then order you to provide a sample. There is a differnece here. Personally, I dont think I would ever consent to any kind of test. Whether I was using or not. This comes down to privacy issue for me. Besides, if you consent and you pop, you can be recommended for court martial. If it is a command directed test, and you pop, they can only administratively seperate you. Reason being, a positive result obtained from a command directed urinalysis, without satisfying probable cause, is not admisable in court.
5. So then you ask, what AS/PH can they test for and how long do they stay in your system? This question I cant definitively answer. I think that you could probably find the answer to this on this board someplace or on the net. Just be advised, I would suspect that any answer you find will be a best guess. I have talked to the drug demand reduction coordinator for my base, and was sitting in his office when he called the UCLA lab. The UCLA lab would not go into specifics as to screeing process and detection times.
6. So you are asking, what does this mean for me? In a nutshell, dont do drugs. Plain and simple. If you are using dope or AS/PH, and in the military, you are playing with fire.
If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask.
Best regards
As of January 2005 the following list is updated and what I recieved from My base. This information is hanging on all the boards in my Base gym
The law adds 26 new steroid compounds, including many steroid precursors, to the previous list of substances that are legally defined as ?anabolic steroids.? [The new compounds are androstanediol; androstanedione; androstenediol; androstenedione; bolasterone; calusterone; *1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. ?1-testosterone?); furazabol; 13b-ethyl-17a-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one; 4-hydroxytestosterone; 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone; mestanolone; 17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; 17a-methyl-3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; 17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-ene; 17a-methyl-4-hydroxynandrolone; methyldienolone; methyltrienolone; 17a-methyl-*1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. ?17-a-methyl-1-testosterone?); norandrostenediol; norandrostenedione; norbolethone; norclostebol; normethandrolone; stenbolone; and tetrahydrogestrinone.] Some of these new substances have been widely marketed as dietary supplements, such as androstenedione, norandrostenedione, norandrostenediol, 1-testosterone, and 4-hydroxytestosterone. bolasterone, calusterone, furazabol, and stenbolone, tetrahydrogestrinone (THG).
Those are the bad boy list. As you will see noted above, Its been stated before that steroid test are very very expensive. I know the airforce has over 300,000 members and even testing 30,000 a month for steroids will cause the DoD to go debunk. That is just one branch, so with that being said the probable cause issue then comes into play. If johnny is 145lb and 2 months later Johnny is 205lbs he is gonna catch some flak and will prob be tested. This isnt listed for you to say " Ok im gonna do steroids and as long as I keep myself undercontrol ill never get caught" because you will get caught with tat attitude. Possessing them, buying them and taking htem are illegal. Dont play with fire. Getting tossed out of the military with a Dishonorable will make it tough to get a job even at mcdonalds.
I personally have been tested while I was taking Jungle warfare, BAM and restore stack. I was also tested during a random urinalysis on MassFX and Hyperdrol. During that time frame Venom and various keep me awake supps were also in my system. As a safe rule of thumb if you can buy it at GNC on base then your fine ( every military base of any branch has a GNC it really sucks but we get alot of discounts)
SO check your labels compare it, before you go asking anymore crazy questions about lipo 6 creatine or ON whey. If anyone else has anything to add that is beneficial please do
