[BADFISHII]

OK - flame away if you must. I've been researching and researching and this will probably come off as a stupid question to many, but I'm hoping someone can enlighten me.

33
195 lbs.
22% BF
lifted on and off for 15 years or so - hard gainer

I take NoXplode pre workout, sip xtend during, and thinking about refuel right after with a muscle milk shake etc.

Eat well, work my ass off in the gym - I'm always sore.

I don't want to go the whole route of a prohormone at this stage - don't want the risk and need more information. I found MASS FX through milehighmuscle.

Do I understand correctly that this should help with the gains in strength and size with minimal risk of sides and no PCT? Is it OK to throw 4 caps a day into my routine? I will not be taking the HD with it, just MASS FX alone with the other stuff, hard workouts and good diet.

Any input would be greatly appreciated and feel free to flame away if you feel so inclined! I can take it in the hopes of getting some good information (Yes try it, NO you'll waste your time and money because it's not stacked with HD, etc.)

THANKS in advance!

[rpen22]

Originally Posted by BADFISHII

Do I understand correctly that this should help with the gains in strength and size with minimal risk of sides and no post cycle therapy? Is it OK to throw 4 caps a day into my routine? I will not be taking the HD with it, just MASS FX alone with the other stuff, hard workouts and good diet.

Yes, this is correct, however you should know that one of the reason why it's stacked with HyperdrolX2 is to keep any possible estrogenic side effects to a minimum. It is also recommended that you start MFX out with 2 caps per day for the first week, and then you can bump it up to 4 per day after that.

[BADFISHII]

Originally Posted by rpen22

Yes, this is correct, however you should know that one of the reason why it's stacked with HyperdrolX2 is to keep any possible estrogenic side effects to a minimum. It is also recommended that you start MFX out with 2 caps per day for the first week, and then you can bump it up to 4 per day after that.

Thanks for the input - start with a half dose then gradual bump up - got it!

ESTROGENIC SIDE EFFECTS? Is this something I should be concerned about? It sounds like it. My guess is that's bad news. What are signs I should look for? If I have the sides, what do I do to stop them or how do I taper off the MASS FX to get rid of them?

THANKS AGAIN. I run a boating forum and I can appreciate you helping out a newbie from first hand experience.

[macedaddy]

Originally Posted by rpen22

Yes, this is correct, however you should know that one of the reason why it's stacked with HyperdrolX2 is to keep any possible estrogenic side effects to a minimum. It is also recommended that you start MFX out with 2 caps per day for the first week, and then you can bump it up to 4 per day after that.

RIGHT ON!

[rpen22]

Originally Posted by BADFISHII

Thanks for the input - start with a half dose then gradual bump up - got it!

ESTROGENIC SIDE EFFECTS? Is this something I should be concerned about? It sounds like it. My guess is that's bad news. What are signs I should look for? If I have the sides, what do I do to stop them or how do I taper off the MASS FX to get rid of them?

THANKS AGAIN. I run a boating forum and I can appreciate you helping out a newbie from first hand experience.

It is not definite that you will see any of these side effects while taking MFX. The HDX2 is just to help ensure that if you are indeed prone to things such as gynecomastia, that the side effects and flare ups will be kept to a minimum. You wouldn't even have to use HDX2 specifically, it is just recommended to use some sort of Aromatase Inhibitor.

[BADFISHII]

Originally Posted by rpen22

It is not definite that you will see any of these side effects while taking MFX. The HDX2 is just to help ensure that if you are indeed prone to things such as gynecomastia, that the side effects and flare ups will be kept to a minimum. You wouldn't even have to use HDX2 specifically, it is just recommended to use some sort of Aromatase Inhibitor.

I was researching on the bodybuilding forums and it looks like some people think it's wise to have the AI on hand just in case - maybe that's good insurance?

The gyno would eventually go away though right? I have no experience with that but I'll research it so I know what to look for - to my knowledge it's fat storing around the pecs like a woman has breasts but I'm sure there's more too it.

On a side note - do you think this may help give me that "kick" I'm needing or are there other avenues I should explore aside from MASS FX? I don't think I'm ready to go the Pro Hormone route - but guess I'm looking for something that will help me achieve gains and not deliver TOO terribly much risk to my overall health (short and long term).

I will probably look into a pro hormone as I learn more and become a more advanced BB'er - but baby steps for now. I don't mind working hard and it taking longer if there are lower chances of sides. I've been at it pretty hard since the first of the year - already taken off 15 lbs of fat and put on some quality muscle - but even that is still underneath the rest of the fat that has to go!!

[rpen22]

If you get full blown gyno, which is very unlikely with MFX in my opinion, then it might not go away on its own. Real gyno is the growth of the breast tissue, which can be reduced sometimes, but often needs to be surgically removed.

I think it's a great idea to start with MassFX before getting into prohormones and the like. I would just recommend taking an AI(I, personally, am using HyperdrolX2) along with the MFX just to help make sure you don't run into any of these problems.

[BADFISHII]

Originally Posted by rpen22

If you get full blown gyno, which is very unlikely with MFX in my opinion, then it might not go away on its own. Real gyno is the growth of the breast tissue, which can be reduced sometimes, but often needs to be surgically removed.

I think it's a great idea to start with MassFX before getting into prohormones and the like. I would just recommend taking an AI(I, personally, am using HyperdrolX2) along with the MFX just to help make sure you don't run into any of these problems.

Here comes the extreme ignorance - but if I take something like Hyperdrol - isn't that the prohormones that need a full PCT and have more risk of sides? I must have my supplements confused

Do you know of anywhere I can research how the body interacts with things like the MFX and the HX2?

From your reply - it almost sounds like the HX2 is NOT a prohormone and is only an AI to be taken in addition to the MFX with no real sides of it's own??

[rpen22]

Hyperdrol is not a prohormone, it contains an AI along with herbs like Forskolin and Cissus. You are probably just confused because there are many legal hormones that end in -DROL. Also, you may be confusing it with Halodrol-50, which is a hormone and does require post cycle therapy. In my opinion, there should not be many, if any at all, negative side effects except for things like increased acne and aggression, etc...from the increased endogenous testosterone.