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ok, it's june 1st...

My guess with all this talk from PA that he's goign after AX for the name and all this other BS, That It is going to be awhile before 3-AD comes out... Bottom line 11-OXO is the same thing , minus the absorbant agent which does it really matter? i dont know... I really wanted the 3-AD but Im not waiting another couple months for it....
 
MaximumSecurity said:
Maybe it comes out in June 08?

Screw it, just get some Havoc. Should get the same results anyway.
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lol, havoc is a whole different animal. Much better in terms of mass/strength gain if that's what ur looking for. The hormone in 3-AD controls cordisol which in higher doses can lead to small increases in stength and mass, hence the sides so low its not highly anabolic or androgenic.
 
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It may be different as you say but think why anyone would take an anabolic anyway. To avoid sides? If that were the case avoid all anabolics together.

If someone were even considering equal sides to 3-AD just cut your dose of havoc. That true for anything out there.

All I can see after so many postings is the main difference (results) between 3-AD and havoc goes is that 3-ad is a novelty item.
 
Does 11-oxo have the same active ingredient amount/pill though?

Two more months? What a crock. I've been holding off b/c of all the June 1 talk that AX has been spouting for MONTHS now.

Want to do an 11-oxo and PP based cycle now. Or would 11-oxo and Havox be better (for lean mass and strength gains)? Hmmm...
 
I think it will be out sooner than that, it is after the announced release day, so maybe AX could remove all the blacked out lines from the top secret 3ad page?
 
molotov said:
Does 11-oxo have the same active ingredient amount/pill though?

Two more months? What a crock. I've been holding off b/c of all the June 1 talk that AX has been spouting for MONTHS now.

Want to do an 11-oxo and PP based cycle now. Or would 11-oxo and Havox be better (for lean mass and strength gains)? Hmmm...
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this could be answer really easy. But im not going to answer it directly. if you check at the labels that are at some retailers they have the amounts each product has. Also if you have done a search within some other 3-ad related thread. some one else has take some numbers on consideration to say how much more caps would you have to take of 11-oxo to have the same amount as in 3 caps of 3-ad.


well this next comment is not directly towards you molotov. Im the only one that can be held responsible for what i say. I dont have afiliation with AX other than just being a Customer.

whining like lil b1tches is not going to get 3-ad realesed anyfaster. Sh1t happens that delay things. we are humans and we cant have control over everything. CAlling out AX is not going to help things out or make it worsth. AX its a stand up company that is having some trouble now. I wish them luck and that they resolve their issues fast.
Threads that say that people are going over 11-oxo cause 3-ad is not out yet should be avoided.

Mace said they are not talking about those issues cause their legal team tod them not to. So respect them and avoid talking about that.

Let the drama for the "other" board.




Im going to avoid getting in to piss fights overthis
 
T-Bone said:
They started with comparing it to 600 mg of test a week. Now they are saying its "good for keeping muscle while cutting". Wow, thats a change from what it was made out to be in the first place.
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Did AX actually ever make this claim themselves, or did they just report that one of the testers said this?
 
Zombie said:
this could be answer really easy. But im not going to answer it directly. if you check at the labels that are at some retailers they have the amounts each product has. Also if you have done a search within some other 3-ad related thread. some one else has take some numbers on consideration to say how much more caps would you have to take of 11-oxo to have the same amount as in 3 caps of 3-ad.


well this next comment is not directly towards you molotov. Im the only one that can be held responsible for what i say. I dont have afiliation with AX other than just being a Customer.

whining like lil b1tches is not going to get 3-ad realesed anyfaster. Sh1t happens that delay things. we are humans and we cant have control over everything. CAlling out AX is not going to help things out or make it worsth. AX its a stand up company that is having some trouble now. I wish them luck and that they resolve their issues fast.
Threads that say that people are going over 11-oxo cause 3-ad is not out yet should be avoided.

Mace said they are not talking about those issues cause their legal team tod them not to. So respect them and avoid talking about that.

Let the drama for the "other" board.




Im going to avoid getting in to piss fights overthis
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:whiner:....let people compain bro, you know its gonna happen. Nothing you or I can do bout it either.
 
T-Bone said:
I'm not knocking you guys. I guess I'm just releasing my frustrations through AM. Its the low-carbs and dieting making me cranky!.
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lol



:hot: :burg: here you go :D hope this makes you fell better :) i wish we had a vanilla milkshake icon
 
T-Bone said:
I really don't think it is as good as it was "played out" to be. They started with comparing it to 600 mg of test a week. Now they are saying its "good for keeping muscle while cutting". Wow, thats a change from what it was made out to be in the first place.
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yea typical hype BS, you gotta figure that theres no way its gonna be like 600 mg of test a week, but now its starting to look like its not even going to be a decent mass builder
 
T-Bone said:
I'm not knocking you guys. I guess I'm just releasing my frustrations through AM. Its the low-carbs and dieting making me cranky!.
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you have been increasingly negative towards AX and 3-AD lately, so i think you ARE trying to as you say, "knock us out"............

all I have to say is:

TO EACH THEIR OWN!

If we wanted to cut corners and not do testing and not do new and innovative packaging, we would have been to the market much sooner (kinda like "someone else" did)

BUT

we DO NOT cut corners

we DO NOT skimp on testing

we DELIVER on EVERY product we have ever "hyped"
 
macedaddy said:
you have been increasingly negative towards AX and 3-AD lately, so i think you ARE trying to as you say, "knock us out"............

all I have to say is:

TO EACH THEIR OWN!

If we wanted to cut corners and not do testing and not do new and innovative packaging, we would have been to the market much sooner (kinda like "someone else" did)

BUT

we DO NOT cut corners



we DO NOT skimp on testing

we DELIVER on EVERY product we have ever "hyped"
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No really I was just upset like the others because I found a new PH product that would not harm my liver and is not a methyl. I was very excited at first but then felt let down. Thats all. I'm not being negative, I am just not an "Optimist". I know you guys are good guys and work hard, which is why I am going to delete that post. I just b***h a lot about stupid things, really ask my wife!.
 
macedaddy said:
you have been increasingly negative towards AX and 3-AD lately, so i think you ARE trying to as you say, "knock us out"............
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can you blame him man, since you guys started hyping 3-AD yall havnt met one single date that yall said you would. like in the begining when bigsmith said he would have info for us in <1 day, yea that turned out to be like a week. yea and now 3-AD cant even be released on time, i mean that starts to get f***ing annoying. yea i understand things get delayed but in that case make conservative estimates, taking those delays into account. Edit:(meaning look to past supps to see why such things got delayed and take those factors into account)
 
3PeteNC said:
yea typical hype BS, you gotta figure that theres no way its gonna be like 600 mg of test a week, but now its starting to look like its not even going to be a decent mass builder
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anyone that actually believes that it is like 600mg of test is a COMPLETE moron...period!!!!! I would like to see what the people that say that actually look like.....that sounds like something pirate grim would believe,or say..
 
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TripDog said:
anyone that actually believes that it is like 600mg of test is a COMPLETE moron...period!!!!! I would like to see what the people that say that actually look like.....that sounds like something pirate grim would believe,or say..
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a moron, huh? :think:

you have taken 3-ad and KNOW that it DOESN'T FEEL LIKE 600mg of test? :blink:

hmmmm..........
 
MACEDADDY...


Let me ask you dude.. where are we standing on this right now?? few sites are doing pre-sales, but to be onhest i dont wanna buy it presale now and not have it for a couple months.. I hope you understand... so when do you think some real answers will be coming out soon? I mean blister packs? one would think its all done by machines now a days ... and hell can probally put out a few thousand a day. so I think some folks are not thinking thats the real reason for the delay.. which you cant blame them ya know what i mean?

I just wanna hear and know whats going, if thats not asking to much.
 
BulkPower said:
MACEDADDY...


Let me ask you dude.. where are we standing on this right now?? few sites are doing pre-sales, but to be onhest i dont wanna buy it presale now and not have it for a couple months.. I hope you understand... so when do you think some real answers will be coming out soon? I mean blister packs? one would think its all done by machines now a days ... and hell can probally put out a few thousand a day. so I think some folks are not thinking thats the real reason for the delay.. which you cant blame them ya know what i mean?

I just wanna hear and know whats going, if thats not asking to much.
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im not mace but hope this will help


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macedaddy said:
at this point.......i am being told about a week till it gets to distributors.........we'll see........

when i have CONCRETE information i will POST IT! :head:
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BulkPower said:
MACEDADDY...
I mean blister packs? one would think its all done by machines now a days .

I just wanna hear and know whats going, if thats not asking to much.
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Unless you have experience in on the manufacturing side of things you really have no room to comment on how fast a process should be able to happen. When you are a small supplement manufacturer you get put to the end of the queue when large pharma companies, etc are running 100,000's of blisters a day. I don't care what process it is. Bottling, capping, blisters. Like in any business sector the big spenders get priorities and you are left with a slipping deadline they do not hit. We have NO control over the manufacturing queue times. We are told dates and often they are not held. The manufacturing side is absolutely the most frustrating part of this business. Are we harassing them EVERY day? Yes. We want this out as fast as anyone.
 
macedaddy said:
a moron, huh? :think:

you have taken 3-ad and KNOW that it DOESN'T FEEL LIKE 600mg of test? :blink:

hmmmm..........
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bro be realistic here,your trying to defend a topic you could never win...I realize your a rep,but don't discrace test like that..................
 
TripDog said:
bro be realistic here,your trying to defend a topic you could never win...I realize your a rep,but don't discrace test like that..................
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Someone (a tester) made that comparison. You would also be surprised at whom that person is. If I want to say Cell Tech feel like Dbol when I take it I can. That does not mean that muscle tech supports that statement. A tester made the comment and a VERY experienced tester at that.

We put the actual numbers out. So...........

Adrenodione converts to 11-Ketotestosterone. 40% as androgenic as testosterone but 70% as anabolic giving a positive ratio of 1.8x.
 
BigSmith said:
Someone (a tester) made that comparison. You would also be surprised at whom that person is. If I want to say Cell Tech feel like Dbol when I take it I can. That does not mean that muscle tech supports that statement. A tester made the comment and a VERY experienced tester at that.

We put the actual numbers out. So...........

Adrenodione converts to 11-Ketotestosterone. 40% as androgenic as testosterone but 70% as anabolic giving a positive ratio of 1.8x.
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nicely put.....but boasting that it's like 600mg of test for sales purposes is outlandish....i think ax is a great company,and i'm sure it will be a good product.....
 
TripDog said:
anyone that actually believes that it is like 600mg of test is a COMPLETE moron...period!!!!! I would like to see what the people that say that actually look like.....that sounds like something pirate grim would believe,or say..
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That was my quote so blame me. Actually what I said was 400-600mg TC/wk, so split the difference and say 500. Yes, that was my subjective impression, all hype aside.
 
DR.D said:
That was my quote so blame me. Actually what I said was 400-600mg TC/wk, so split the difference and say 500. Yes, that was my subjective impression, all hype aside.
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all i can say is WOW..looking foreward to see what others say about it now...that's kinda like putting your reputation on the line doc.........:blink: ,if anyone can do it though AX is the one to make it happen..
 
Patrick Arnold and his wannabe hardcore company are trash. Corporate giants like this get pissed when they can't fully rip off and own the market share of a company like AX's product. I wouldn't be surprised if 1-ad was actually jacked the same way when "he put it out". I feel your pain AX and hope that this Dbag and his expensive lawyers don't screw you.
 
Beige said:
Patrick Arnold and his wannabe hardcore company are trash. Corporate giants like this get pissed when they can't fully rip off and own the market share of a company like AX's product. I wouldn't be surprised if 1-ad was actually jacked the same way when "he put it out". I feel your pain AX and hope that this Dbag and his expensive lawyers don't screw you.
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Lot to say about a guy you don't even know.
 
TripDog said:
all i can say is WOW..looking foreward to see what others say about it now...that's kinda like putting your reputation on the line doc.........:blink: ,if anyone can do it though AX is the one to make it happen..
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Yeah, it seems that the number of mg/day of 3AD you use roughly corresponds to the effect of an equal number of mg TC or TE per week, but without the water bloat. I think it'll be a great substitute for test in guys that wanna stack test with a methyl but don't wanna use points or get all water logged.
 
Beige said:
Patrick Arnold and his wannabe hardcore company are trash. Corporate giants like this get pissed when they can't fully rip off and own the market share of a company like AX's product. I wouldn't be surprised if 1-ad was actually jacked the same way when "he put it out". I feel your pain AX and hope that this Dbag and his expensive lawyers don't screw you.
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Thanks. :)
 
bLacKjAck. said:
Lot to say about a guy you don't even know.
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If you read Blackjack's posts lately, I'd say they are in the neighborhood of 75-85 % sarcastic remarks. Not that I'm complaining, in fact I rather enjoy them. :lol: Methinks he is running some sort of cycle and not telling anybody. :ntome:
 
bLacKjAck. said:
Lot to say about a guy you don't even know.
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I don't need to meet somebody to know that what they're doing is wrong. I am usually the last one that ever trash talks over a computer because I think that it is spineless. However this guy is destroying the heart of an industry that I will probably continue work in for the rest of my life. Bottom line...Patrick Arnold is a swagger jacker!!!:twisted:
 
Beige said:
I don't need to meet somebody to know that what they're doing is wrong. I am usually the last one that ever trash talks over a computer because I think that it is spineless. However this guy is destroying the heart of an industry that I will probably continue work in for the rest of my life. Bottom line...Patrick Arnold is a swagger jacker!!!:twisted:
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LOL, glad to know somebody sees it! You still candy coated it a bit, but the forum would have ***** out those words anyway, j/k. :D
 
ive gotta say, u guys test, and advertise. You spend alot of money, then he comes in like a little girl, hhahhahah i made it first, releases 11oxo for a stupid amount of money, hoping that he can pursue legal action to top yours coming out.
i saw on bb.com in future he may lower the price, yeh as soon as 3ad comes out he will, hes playing dirty
 
I say we all shake hands and put this crap behind us. No point in fighting over pointless crap. I would hate to be involved in all this. Plenty of people are just frustrated that 3ad is not coming out on time. Keep this controversly off the board. Just forget about it for now. I'm sure AX will take care of things and get the product out as promised. Unexpected things happen, that is just how life works. I was frustrated too but I'm gonna forget about it because its not their fault. I have faith in AX and trust they are working hard to get things done.
 
supersoldier said:
If you read Blackjack's posts lately, I'd say they are in the neighborhood of 75-85 % sarcastic remarks. Not that I'm complaining, in fact I rather enjoy them. :lol: Methinks he is running some sort of cycle and not telling anybody. :ntome:
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Hahaha, nope, but I will be by this time next week so that might up it to 90-95%. :lol:
 
T-Bone said:
... I have faith in AX and trust they are working hard to get things done.
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Well thank you T. I can assure you, you won't be disappointed in the final result! You are correct about the game plan too, all AX can do is take the high ground. They can't control the actions of others and are not responsible for anyone but themselves anyway. They can play fair even if the comp doesn't. Hard, honest work pays off and the truth always surfaces in the end. I am confident that will be the result with this case as well. Again, I really appreciate your faith and take it quite seriously to give you guys the results you expect!
 
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