[powerman12345]

ok so i was wondering if i took 3 ad would i test positive in a ioc level drugs test, if so, how long would i have to wait to be absolutly defiantly test clear!

(i know this makes me seems like scum, but i would really like the answer )

[RoadBlocK]

Wow, thats a good question. Arent those olympic testing guys really crazy about anything and everything out of the ordinary.

[powerman12345]

yes!!!, but my test- est ratios are fine , its more by my country drug testing, england i wil be worried, they are testing randomly! but i just really want to know and i think others might too

[macedaddy]

Originally Posted by powerman12345

ok so i was wondering if i took 3 ad would i test positive in a ioc level drugs test, if so, how long would i have to wait to be absolutly defiantly test clear!

(i know this makes me seems like scum, but i would really like the answer )

i asked D a similar question for a "natural" bodybuilder......

this product is 100% DSHEA compliant and should put your test/epitest ratios out of whack, if it does, within 4 weeks, probably less, you should be back to "normal"

i will get him in here to verify though, i would hate to hav eyou take it and POP positive..............

[DR.D]

"When an athlete tests positive for an endogenous substance, his/her sample is ruled to contain a prohibited substance where the concentration of the substance in the sample is greater than the amount normally found in humans. A sample will be ruled to not contain a prohibited substance when the athlete proves with evidence that the excess concentration of the endogenous substance in the sample is attributable to a pathological or physiological condition. Both exogenous and endogenous steroids, as well as their analogues (any substance derived from modifying the chemical structure of another substance while retaining a similar pharmacological effect) are prohibited."

It is not specifically on the banned list, and you would be quite clear of it and all metabolites (which are not on it either) if you stopped dosing 2 days ahead of the test, but the above statement makes it seem it may still be prohibited as a high level endogenous. IOC is very strict! I feel sorry for allergy sufferers. I mean wow, Sudafed and Chlortrimeton on the list?! I could not run a race with a runny nose!

[dmilhouse]

I believe PA said somewhere that this would not effect T/E ratios.

[macedaddy]

Originally Posted by dmilhouse

I believe PA said somewhere that this would not effect T/E ratios.

no offense, but he was asking about 3-AD and as far as i am concerned HE has no say in what OUR product does or does NOT do.............

Dr. D created it and i would take his advice ANY day over that of a EX-CONVICT!

[DR.D]

Originally Posted by macedaddy

no offense, but he was asking about 3-AD and as far as i am concerned HE has no say in what OUR product does or does NOT do.............

Dr. D created it and i would take his advice ANY day over that of a EX-CONVICT!

Thanks Mace, I must admit that PA seems very knowledgeable about these things in general, but he has lost his objectivity to put an onus on pride, personal issues and sales, no doubt. Taking his advise with a grain of salt these days is the safest bet, especially when he's discussing my products. Nobody knows them better than I do.

[powerman12345]

WOW!!! jus bin looking at the bodybuilding.com forum and u guys are way more friendly!! i am being serious by the way!

Okay so say i dicontinued use 3 months before hand will of of the unaturally high levels of its metabolites be cleared?

Hope that statement made sense!

[powerman12345]

and yes!!! those ioc guys seem to think that sudafed will give athletes an unatural advantage from the pseudoephrine

[dmilhouse]

Originally Posted by DR.D

Thanks Mace, I must admit that PA seems very knowledgeable about these things in general, but he has lost his objectivity to put an onus on pride, personal issues and sales, no doubt. Taking his advise with a grain of salt these days is the safest bet, especially when he's discussing my products. Nobody knows them better than I do.

No offense meant, my apologies. I was just talking about the active ingredient in both products, regardless whose product it is. If they are really testing the T/E ratio, I would think, that given the downstream metabolites of this product are 11-keto-test and not test itself, that the T/E ratio would not be affected.

I'm not convinced that 3AD would actually affect the T/E ratio.

[powerman12345]

bump for the question to dr d

[powerman12345]

cureently, on an increased dose evo stack i am going to try and add 3ad in, what u guys think of this, btw i am on week 3 and loving it!!!! only have half a bottle of restore btw, okay so

jw 4 or 5 a day weeks 1-8
bam 1-6 4 per day
proanabol probs 3 - 4 perday, 4-10
3 ad 8-12
jw (still have some left) 12-14
restore 14-16

i am really exited, advise would be apprechiated

[DR.D]

Originally Posted by powerman12345

WOW!!! jus bin looking at the bodybuilding.com forum and u guys are way more friendly!! i am being serious by the way!

Okay so say i dicontinued use 3 months before hand will of of the unaturally high levels of its metabolites be cleared?

Hope that statement made sense!

Yeah, I'd say 2 days, 3 max and your good. 3 months is real real big time over kill!

[powerman12345]

wow!!!!!!!, thats very good to know, but i like to be cautious, i may run one more cycle in august knowing this!!!!! anyone have any comments on my cycle plan, would there be any problems running in in conjunction with the products noted?

3 days!!!!! thats great to know, i think alot of athletes will be interested in this as it seems it might have great strength gaining properties without unwanted mass

[DR.D]

Originally Posted by dmilhouse

No offense meant, my apologies. I was just talking about the active ingredient in both products, regardless whose product it is. If they are really testing the T/E ratio, I would think, that given the downstream metabolites of this product are 11-keto-test and not test itself, that the T/E ratio would not be affected.

I'm not convinced that 3AD would actually affect the T/E ratio.

Yes, I agree, 3AD should not have a significant enough impact on T/eT to put the ratio out of range. The main ingredient in 3AD (the AD part) is technically a natural corticoid that does not directly influence test anyway. It may elevate test initially or slightly lower it at high doses over a long cycle, but the ratio remains acceptable. No offense to your previous comments my friend!