[Beige]

LOL no harm no foul bro...I'm just used to a different calibur of person so I guess that I miss judged you. Good luck with the stack. I started noticing most of the difference at the end of my first bottles, so give it a little more time and I'm sure you'll be surprised (it kinda just crept up on me). IMHO you made a good choice though because in my objective experience with the recent releases in NH stacks this one will give you more of what you want if you enjoy anabolics.
On a related topic; how are people doing with upped doses of this stack? And/or has anybody else tried to stack this with Powerfull? I found that the Powerfull helped a lot with the strength gains almost immediately.

[Jstedt]

I have not tried pwerfull but I might add it to this stack. I should be getting my last order of the ultimate stack to make this at least an 8 week cycle. I was going to do 12 wks but dosing 6 each a day I can't afford. I was going to send the new order back in exchange for something else but I'd hate to start seeing results as soon as I sent it back. I'm just gonna stick with it. Thanks Bro!!

Jstedt

[anatolian]

Originally Posted by neoborn

I hve a bottle of msfx and hdx2 for my post cycle therapy after my epi pulse. Looking forward to it

This is what I have been looking for...thankyou. I want to go from the Ultimate Cycle + Retain2 (4 weeks total, 2 weeks in and loving it) into a Epistane cycle (4 weeks). Am I reading you correctly that you are doing the same thing just reversed in the order you take the different cycles? Would there be a reason why not to take them in the order I listed?

[Beige]

Taking them before shouldn't hurt or complement your epi cycle. However you should try picking up another bottle of Retain2 to go with your SERM in pct. Neoborn is doing this after his cycle to "naturally" bring himself back to hormonal normality along with a SERM (I'm guessing he's taking one because he's pretty prominant on this board and seems to have this PCT thing down pat). Some people like taking test boosters and estrogen control (i.e. HD2 and MFX) post cycle. This should be secondary though in relation to your SERM and cort blocker (retain2).

[macedaddy]

Originally Posted by Beige

Taking them before shouldn't hurt or complement your epi cycle. However you should try picking up another bottle of Retain2 to go with your SERM in post cycle therapy. Neoborn is doing this after his cycle to "naturally" bring himself back to hormonal normality along with a SERM (I'm guessing he's taking one because he's pretty prominant on this board and seems to have this PCT thing down pat). Some people like taking test boosters and estrogen control (i.e. HD2 and MFX) post cycle. This should be secondary though in relation to your SERM and cort blocker (retain2).

[Beige]

I try. All I can say is that I wish I had given your company a fair shake a year ago when I really started taking this stuff seriously. At the end of this month it will be a year exactly and I've put on 90 (yes 90) lbs! I'd say that I'm at about 10 or 12 percent BF today, and have been able to cut up and build over the last month and a half thanks to you guys. Never before (without more harmful compounds) have I had the ability to cut up and gain strength at the same time with such effectiveness. Can't wait for future releases...yeah you know the one!!!

[macedaddy]

Originally Posted by Beige

I try. All I can say is that I wish I had given your company a fair shake a year ago when I really started taking this stuff seriously. At the end of this month it will be a year exactly and I've put on 90 (yes 90) lbs! I'd say that I'm at about 10 or 12 percent BF today, and have been able to cut up and build over the last month and a half thanks to you guys. Never before (without more harmful compounds) have I had the ability to cut up and gain strength at the same time with such effectiveness. Can't wait for future releases...yeah you know the one!!!

there is WAY more planned for the last quarter of the year..............you should be VERY PLEASED!

[anatolian]

Originally Posted by Beige

Taking them before shouldn't hurt or complement your epi cycle. However you should try picking up another bottle of Retain2 to go with your SERM in post cycle therapy. Neoborn is doing this after his cycle to "naturally" bring himself back to hormonal normality along with a SERM (I'm guessing he's taking one because he's pretty prominant on this board and seems to have this PCT thing down pat). Some people like taking test boosters and estrogen control (i.e. HD2 and MFX) post cycle. This should be secondary though in relation to your SERM and cort blocker (retain2).

Thankyou...I am loaded down on serms and other protective supps.(I have been taking cycle support for a few weeks and am going to continue) All I need is another bottle of Retain and it sounds like I am good to go. The PCT protocol and support supps is something I have pulled off this very site, so thanks guys.

[neoborn]

Originally Posted by Beige

Neoborn is doing this after his cycle to "naturally" bring himself back to hormonal normality along with a SERM (I'm guessing he's taking one because he's pretty prominant on this board and seems to have this PCT thing down pat).

I wanted to add that I am going to be doing a longer pulse based cycle as this apparently cuts sides alot and then I can do a MassFX / HDX2 PCT. I am going to put DR.D's theory to the test. I have all my bloodwork done, plus a complete thyroid panel. Also I could most likely go to a local store and pic up a SERM if emergency requires it....wouldn't mind DD's anyhoo ( Iz jok I mayk jok ).

Please do not ever take anything I say as law or medical advice, educate yourself fully and talk to multiple long term members / users they can truly help you achieve more.

I say the above because I don't want you to base your cycle on only knowledge that I may give, remember currently I am a PH / PS / AAS virgin. That's right I have not done any of this stuff, but I have read quite a bit and put together a few helpful threads for some products / protocols.

If you need links to people with EPI logs just use the search and read / talk to them they are the true warriors

Much Love,

<3 Neoborn <3

[anatolian]

Originally Posted by neoborn

I wanted to add that I am going to be doing a longer pulse based cycle as this apparently cuts sides alot and then I can do a MassFX / HDX2 post cycle therapy. I am going to put DR.D's theory to the test. I have all my bloodwork done, plus a complete thyroid panel. Also I could most likely go to a local store and pic up a SERM if emergency requires it....wouldn't mind DD's anyhoo ( Iz jok I mayk jok ).

Please do not ever take anything I say as law or medical advice, educate yourself fully and talk to multiple long term members / users they can truly help you achieve more.

I say the above because I don't want you to base your cycle on only knowledge that I may give, remember currently I am a PH / PS / anabolic steroids virgin. That's right I have not done any of this stuff, but I have read quite a bit and put together a few helpful threads for some products / protocols.

If you need links to people with EPI logs just use the search and read / talk to them they are the true warriors

Much Love,

<3 Neoborn <3

I am not sure if you were talking to me, but I have read as many logs as I can find I just had not seen the protocol I was asking about. I am like you, I am very new to all this and tend to just read alot before hand, its like I am nervous or something, it takes me forever to actually take something... haha. I too get regular blood work and I am very aware of my health status and the cool thing is I can talk to my docotor about anything I want to try... Anyhow goodluck.

[spshond]

I just finished the stack. It was very good, started feeling the effects about the middle of the second week. Now that I have ended it though, Iam always hungry as hell. The main thing that it did for me was cut me up a bit more, I dont believe it added any mass at all. Here are some pictures you be the judge, What do you guys think my fat % is now. Iam about to start a cycle of Havoc, that is the only reason I did 30 days worth of AX.

2008-04-17 after AX stack 189 lbs


2008-03-06 Before AX stack 191 lbs

[workout8485]

Originally Posted by spshond

I just finished the stack. It was very good, started feeling the effects about the middle of the second week. Now that I have ended it though, Iam always hungry as hell. The main thing that it did for me was cut me up a bit more, I dont believe it added any mass at all. Here are some pictures you be the judge, What do you guys think my fat % is now. Iam about to start a cycle of Havoc, that is the only reason I did 30 days worth of AX.

2008-04-17 after AX stack 189 lbs


2008-03-06 Before AX stack 191 lbs

seems like there was no Mass from the Massfx for u bro! it hasnt really cut u up or gained u any muscle - u lost a couple of pounds but u could have done a much more effective cut without an expensive NH stack thats for sure... did u change ur diet at all?

must admit all i seemed to get from massfx was some nausea and not much else....

[spshond]

You are right, I would not do it again, too expensive.. For what you get

[workout8485]

Originally Posted by spshond

You are right, I would not do it again, too expensive.. For what you get

i agree - but at least u got a havoc cycle comin up - now thats a real muscle builder!