[addijhaq]

OKay lemme explain.

I was on a single cycle of hyperdrol and venom and i had THE best results from any other supp stack i've tried previously. I've done a 6oxo/amp stack and this one was so much better.

The positivity, the focus, the drive, the stamina, the energy all were increased and well appreciated during the month and a couple weeks i was on this stack. so then i went with retain and pct right after to "solidify my muscle gains and fatlosses"

I can say that immediately on day 1 of pct/retain my mood went down the ****ter. i woke up, took 1 retain, and 1 pct, half an hour later i felt like ****, and not long after i was back in bed. my motivation to even get up and stretch in the morning was shot. when i finally did make it out of bed, i completely forgot my routine of my other morning supps (multi/bcaas/green tea) i usually go to the gym first thing, and i was looking forward to gettin some reallly really good quality time in the gym due to almost a month off from college.

i had a long list of things that i wanted to get accomplished also aside from just working out. such as prioritizing my schedule for the upcoming semester, make some very important phone calls before xmas to people i needed to speak to. . . anyway, in short, none of these things have been completed. even as we speak.

I've gained about 5 lbs of god knows what over break. and it hasn't been gradual. I've never binged before in my life, but i'm pretty sure i did it more than once in a matter of 3 or 4 days of starting retain/pct. I then broke up the combo, i just took pct for 3 days to see if it was retain, and i did have a somewhat elevated mood and outlook, and then i stopped with pct and took retain for 3 days, and this was the culprit for sure, regardless i still didnt like what i was getting from pct so i stopped taking iboth and i'm still kinda ****ty now...

IS there any reason why this combo of supps maybe doing this?

i mean it is recommended to take retain along with hyperdrol, or even with the hyperdrol/fx stack, but why in the eff would i feel this absent minded/depressed so quickly?


i hated how i feel and i still hate how i feel. wtf. I want my hyperdrol feeling back, and since it is possible to take hyperdrol for 12 weeks or so, i think i'ma get some more of that to regain those gains i've now lost for sure.

[addijhaq]

oh, ya another question... should i just stick with it and ride out this little moodspell? or is it better for me just to drop it and go back to what was good?

[jmh80]

I think it's probably the Venom that is causing these issues. It is a strong stim - I typically get lethargic and lazy as sh*t when I come off all stims.

[Mulletsoldier]

I cannot fathom, even in the slightest, how Retain or Post Cycle Therapy could have caused the issues you are having. As JMH alluded to, you were taking a strong stimulant for over a month, there are going to be some issues in coming off of it.

[macedaddy]

First off, THERE IS NO NEED FOR post cycle therapy WITH HYPERDROL!

Sounds to me like JMH has already diagnosed your issue from the venom. I have never done venom, but sounds like you are suffering from coming off the stimulant!

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by macedaddy

First off, THERE IS NO NEED FOR post cycle therapy WITH HYPERDROL!

lol Mace. I think he meant the product 'Post Cycle Therapy'

[Jayhawkk]

It't the effect of coming off venom.

[macedaddy]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

lol Mace. I think he meant the product 'Post Cycle Therapy'

Thanks mullet!

but form the stack he is running.....

HD and Venom followed by our product P.C.T. and Retain it sounds similar to a PCT cycle. So i jsut wanted to make sure that he understood that there is no need to do PCT after HD. the product OR the therapy. I HATE how this forum spells out the acronyms at times. especially when dealing with our product that has the same initals as the therapy! LOL

[Jayhawkk]

Venom has to be the best App sup/Stim that i've tried but at the same time it can be your worst enemy if you don't come off after a few weeks and don't ween off it. Cold turkey on this stuff will have you calling a Heroin addict coming off a pussy.

[Apowerz6]

Soo, this is what you should do... Adrenal Support of some kind, to keep your mood and focus in check. I would suggest L-tyrosine 2-3grams (divided up) and possibly 1-2grams of ALCAR (Acetyl L-Carnitine) works wonders coming off the strong stims. I am glad you enjoy our products so much...

[Jayhawkk]

Sarcasm, Embrace or Hate it, Its Who I Am...


lol

[addijhaq]

thanks for the support and info. I just went today and picked up some alcar and tyrosine... I must say that it does definitely help alot, even from the first initial dosage, about an hour later i was able to feel a difference.. crazy!

i will keep in mind from now on to do a 2 week full/1 week taper/3 week off cycle for venom.

and ya, i stopped taking p.c.t. the product and retain and i'm gonna give myself about 4 weeks off and then it's back to hd and fx.

i love hd though. great product... havent tried fx yet but i cannot wait to stack it with hd.

[somewhatgifted]

Taper off mang dont cold turkey it, supplmenting althought seasonal is not like christmass leftovers.