Mass FX™ Teaser

BigSmith · 11-10-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by b_delgros

Maybe I missed something, but what is (3b,5a,6a,25R)-Spirostan-3,6-diol method of action, is it an AI, Raises Free T, what exactly does it do.

It is not an AI. It increases test levels big time. So we create lots of test then free it up with the 3,4-DVTHF. The end result is a beautiful thing

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Originally Posted by b_delgros

Once it is released will there be any more information given on this ingredient?

Yes

Maverick64 · 11-10-2006, 04:54 PM

6OXO? The reason I ask is because I cannnot tolerate Rebound XT. Everytime I try the NHA stack I develop BAD depression a few days in. I have found that I can take ActiVate by itself no problem but the Rebound XT must be somehow eliminating too much Estogen causing the depression. 6OXO doesn't give me a problem either. Was also considering stacking this with JW or 6OXO and Yellow Gold..that might be kick ass!

BigSmith · 11-10-2006, 06:46 PM

6-OXO or JW would be just fine and work very well.

**macedaddy** · 11-10-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSmith

Why the emphasis on stacking?

That is because it should be coupled with a good AI. (3b,5a,6a,25R)-Spirostan-3,6-diol is going to create a lot of T and with the DVTHF freeing it up, the odds of estrogen conversion increase. That can cause shutdown and estro related sides, so the AI is just insurance, not everyone needs it probably but it's a good idea to include and help elevate test even higher anyway (or at least negate shutdown). That is why the logs were Mass FX + Hyperdrol (6-Br)

I am sorry that Hyperdrol did not work well for you. Not ever product works for everyone. We have had an overwhelmingly positive response on Hyperdrol though. Every time a new batch is made it is sold out in less than a week. Hopefully you will give Mass FX a shot coupled with your AI of choice. Since our inception we have tried to only release products that work. I always hate to hear when one does not work for someone.

If you have any doubts you can take a look at over 30 unbiased logs here:

Anabolic Xtreme Forum -> AX Hyperdrol + Mass FX Logs

^^^^^^^

Proteinpowda · 11-11-2006, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by somewhatgifted

cant wait for the beta results, this is an exciting era for supplements.

The "exciting" area of supplements ended Jan of 2005 when prohormones were banned IMO.
Though since then there has been some innovation.
I tried pheraplex..not too sure on my opinion of it. Overall I felt harder and definetly looked better but I never felt so lightheaded during my workouts. I'm not neccessarily attributing it to the PP though b/c there were very many other unisolated variables involved. And I also gotta hand it to AX: Stimulant-X is amazing. I've tried a wide array of energy pills before and given them all to others; Spike, ECA, AMP, etc. Spike worked for all of 2 days, ECA def. works but just makes me too nutty, AMP was great the first time I worked out on it and is still great but elevates my blood pressure a bit too much (about 20mm HG in terms of systolic)...but SX is so clean. Almost anyone I've given some to try to has come back asking for more. It's probably the best study aid on the market too. Kudos to you on that.

As for this new product hell I'm interested in how you are getting the body to produce more test? It almost sounds like you've created agonists to GNRH or LH and then somehow reduced SHBG levels (once again I'm guessing you're freeing up the bound testosterone). This is purely speculation though....

As far as why people are running AI's anyone that's been on this forum for awhile should understand that! Anytime you increase test you increase the amount that can be aromatized; it's pretty much Lechateliers principle; increase the concentration of the reactants (testosterone) and the equilibrium shifts to the formation of product.

Oh quick trivia: Where's a major storage site for aromatase?

Answer : Fat cells.

**macedaddy** · 11-11-2006, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick64

6OXO? The reason I ask is because I cannnot tolerate Rebound XT. Everytime I try the NHA stack I develop BAD depression a few days in. I have found that I can take ActiVate by itself no problem but the Rebound XT must be somehow eliminating too much Estogen causing the depression. 6OXO doesn't give me a problem either. Was also considering stacking this with JW or 6OXO and Yellow Gold..that might be kick ass!

Have you tried Hyperdrol?

**macedaddy** · 11-11-2006, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Proteinpowda

The "exciting" area of supplements ended Jan of 2005 when prohormones were banned IMO.
Though since then there has been some innovation.
I tried pheraplex..not too sure on my opinion of it. Overall I felt harder and definetly looked better but I never felt so lightheaded during my workouts. I'm not neccessarily attributing it to the PP though b/c there were very many other unisolated variables involved. And I also gotta hand it to AX: Stimulant-X is amazing. I've tried a wide array of energy pills before and given them all to others; Spike, ECA, AMP, etc. Spike worked for all of 2 days, ECA def. works but just makes me too nutty, AMP was great the first time I worked out on it and is still great but elevates my blood pressure a bit too much (about 20mm HG in terms of systolic)...but SX is so clean. Almost anyone I've given some to try to has come back asking for more. It's probably the best study aid on the market too. Kudos to you on that.

As for this new product hell I'm interested in how you are getting the body to produce more test? It almost sounds like you've created agonists to GNRH or LH and then somehow reduced SHBG levels (once again I'm guessing you're freeing up the bound testosterone). This is purely speculation though....

As far as why people are running AI's anyone that's been on this forum for awhile should understand that! Anytime you increase test you increase the amount that can be aromatized; it's pretty much Lechateliers principle; increase the concentration of the reactants (testosterone) and the equilibrium shifts to the formation of product.

Oh quick trivia: Where's a major storage site for aromatase?

Answer : Fat cells.

Thanks for the kind words!!!

Stim X IS an excellent product. No other stimulant that i have been on is gives as much clean energy and focus as stim x. The biggest benefits is you don't come off it hard either!

Maverick64 · 11-12-2006, 09:19 AM

I would like to try the HD Mass FX stack, but it pisses me off that I have half a bottle of unused ReboundXT that I can't take. I KNOW the 6OXO doesn't hit me with depression like Rebound XT. But I don't want to but a bottle of HD just to find out it does the same thing. If AX wanted to send me about 3 days worth of HD to try , and I didn't have any issues with it, then I would be more than happy to give the HD/Mass FX cycle a shot.

dmilhouse · 11-13-2006, 01:26 PM

So what exactly is 25-R I'm confused. Is it steriodal? Will it show up on a drug test (NCAA)? Is it a banned substance? It sounds interesting but what are the metabolites?

-MH

BigSmith · 11-13-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dmilhouse

So what exactly is 25-R I'm confused. Is it steriodal? Will it show up on a drug test (NCAA)? Is it a banned substance? It sounds interesting but what are the metabolites?

-MH

It is natural but NCAA is very picky. You would need to get approval first. More info will be released on the compound when the release nears. If the NCAA did allow it, this would be the first product they have allowed with PH type gains.

**yeahright** · 11-13-2006, 01:56 PM

Tease tease tease.

dmilhouse · 11-13-2006, 01:56 PM

Is it steriodal?

BigSmith · 11-13-2006, 02:19 PM

25R-Diol is natural derivative of a class of compounds called sapogenins. It has potent anabolic properties and no (pro-hormone type) harsh side effects. Although we have gone the SYNTHETIC route to this compound it is related to nature. The route we have taken to create this compound is it's key to success. That is about all I can answer until it's release.

**macedaddy** · 11-13-2006, 02:40 PM

^^^You had me at anabolic

Proteinpowda · 11-13-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSmith

25R-Diol is natural derivative of a class of compounds called sapogenins. It has potent anabolic properties and no negative side effects. Although we have gone the SYNTHETIC route to this compound it is related to nature. The route we have taken to create this compound is it's key to success. That is about all I can answer until it's release.

No negative side effects? That makes me think you haven't done enough research on it. Also what is good for one person is bad for another. Like really, I like your company and the products you put out but now you sound gimicky.

**macedaddy** · 11-13-2006, 02:59 PM

he means no negative side effects similar to pro hormones.
liver damage, raised blood pressure or cholesterol, etc....