Well, my 2 bottles of 3-AD are closing up on me... So it's time to start planning on what to do with it.

Here's where I stand. I've been on a cut for the past 2 months, am all the way down to 230 (from the 245 I started at) and from calipers am looking at a 12-15% BF, which for me is quite good, seeing that I'm "chubby" by nature. Allways accumulate a lot of fat on my mid section.

So I was looking to start off some recomp, keep my calories somewhat around maintance level, 40% protein 30% fats 30% carbs. Taking around 12gs of Fish Oil a day and 8 of Sesame Oil, along with some peanuts here and there to fill out needs.

So here's where I need help planning.

As for staples I'm going to run Neovar, Geranium, ALA, Chromium Picolinate, Orange Triad, Sesamin Oil, Fish Oil.

I do have aside from those a few more products laying around my house that I have not yet made use of (many still unopened). These are:
ATD ; Trione ; REDuction (AM and PM) ; Yohimbine ; Lean FX.

And here's where I need help. If I run 4 weeks oTrione at normal dosage (Androstenetrione 300mg, 3 a day) combined with REDuction and yohimbine to clean out some more of the fat that I still have, would I be able to run 3-AD straight up or should I take 4 weeks off?

Cause if I could run straight up then I'd do that (4 weeks of Trione + REDuction + Yohimbine + Staples), follow up with 4 weeks of 3-AD at 6 caps a day + Staples + Yohimbine in case I feel some lethargy from it, and then PCT with aPCT + LeanFX + Staples.

How would that look? Or would it be better to move things around? Anyone have any other combinations in mind? Anything is game, move around weeks of compounds, not take one, take another, wait some more time for this, less for that, whatever. Just any ideas in which way I would take most advantage on them.

All help is appreciated.
Thanks.

hmmm.... Thinking.... Ok...

I think with the slew of things that you have planned there, I'd say that it would be best to kick things off with the 3-AD cycle, move into PCT phase as planned, and perhaps slowly introduce your "cutting" supplements in after the mid-way point of PCT. The trione is the hang-up, but it'd be like adding another anti-estro in there (if memory serves me correctly). You could get away with starting at a lower dose and then taking it up to full after aPCT runs out. Something like REDuction may be taken at any time during this.

One thing to remember is that overly complicated stacks and cycles can become overly complicated very very quickly. The last time I ran something with this many different components it took me no less than 6 months to plan it. (Don't believe, me, ask Macedaddy and Dr. D!) I plan VERY well when I do something big, and my results were very good from it consequently.

As another thought, if you are concerned about running too many things and trying to "fit it all in", focus more on a simpler cycle (say the AX products together as you had planned), and save the others for a month or so down the road. A successful cut doesn't just happen. Worry less about the pills and focus more time and energy on getting a really solid routine and schedule down. And definitely keep a watchful eye on the end of the fork - what goes in during this period is probably the most important factor. Food and your caloric/macro intake will make or break you.

Spoken from one "pudgy round the middle" guy to another, I've been there, done that, and keep on trying it. Take your time and focus on what you truly want to do. If it takes 6 months to drop 2 pants sizes, then you've had one helluva good half-year!!!

Anytime you need, you know where to find me.

Thanks Tim,

This is why I kinda posted here and why I said i'm open to sugestions.

I realize that my first plan would probably not work (I didn't really think Trione would be a good precursor to 3-AD, but I wanted to be sure.) But I was wondering if there was any way to make everything blend in toguether, or any way to make them all work together in a longer cycle.

In the end my goal is recomp, lowering body fat and increasing muscle, which is why using Trione a "reasonably" good supp, but not if it means getting everything else half a$$. Which is why I asked here.

The other stuff I have at home will still be there, no mater what, finishing my 3-AD cycle or not. So I could end up using it 1 month, 2, or 3, it doesn't matter. The reason I asked was wondering if it would be any better to try to work it with a 3-AD cycle.

If it doesn't really make sense using it all at the same big, longer cycle, I'd just use 3-AD for its month, PCT for the following month, take 4 weeks off and then plug Trione + REDuction in.

So in the end, after this input, I'll probably go with my first plan.

4 weeks of 3-AD with my staples + Yohimbine (and maybe REDuction to add an extra recomp effect) followed by
4 weeks of aPCT + Lean XTreme + Staples (and maybe Yohimibe depending on what I feel like)
4 weeks of just staples to get my body back into shape
And only then doing some Trione to get a little estrogen controll and test booster help, along with the usual staples and general stuff.

So, how would the latest one work? Seems pretty simple and efficient, right? No real stacking issues or anything like that. Would that be the best way to go?

Thanks again.

SImply put, I like it. I think that option is your best bet.

Originally Posted by bla55

4 weeks of 3-AD with my staples + Yohimbine (and maybe REDuction to add an extra recomp effect) followed by
4 weeks of aPCT + Lean XTreme + Staples (and maybe Yohimibe depending on what I feel like)
4 weeks of just staples to get my body back into shape

I give my approval to that idea!