heard Mass FX cause increases the aromatase enzyme

[IceT]

also some1 said this on another site

"Run an AI (preferably 6-oxo) with this cause I ran this for 7 weeks and got a lump under my right nipple."

so could one, just to be safe run

hyer x2
mass Fx
extreme 6 oxo???

dint know if I truly beilve this but I have 6oxo around so just need input from the pros???

[Rhys26]

also some1 said this on another site

"Run an AI (preferably 6-oxo) with this cause I ran this for 7 weeks and got a lump under my right nipple."

so could one, just to be safe run

hyer x2
mass Fx
extreme 6 oxo???

dint know if I truly beilve this but I have 6oxo around so just need input from the pros???

It's probably best to stay away from these products until you are 21. Your hormones will be high enough to make solid gains with good nutrition and training without having to use these.

[superdrollover]

also some1 said this on another site

"Run an AI (preferably 6-oxo) with this cause I ran this for 7 weeks and got a lump under my right nipple."

so could one, just to be safe run

hyer x2
mass Fx
extreme 6 oxo???

dint know if I truly beilve this but I have 6oxo around so just need input from the pros???

Your alright taking these these are for 18 and older....Anyway there is no need for 6-oxo....The only people that have to worry are people with pre existing gyno...You should be fine.

[IceT]

Your alright taking these these are for 18 and older....Anyway there is no need for 6-oxo....The only people that have to worry are people with pre existing gyno...You should be fine.

ok yeah i dont belive i have existing Gyno... Im not running it now but I do have all I need if I do decide. I know I can make ALOT more gainz before thinking about any sups, (other then whey)

Me 135... was 110 so you imagine..

[superdrollover]

ok yeah i dont belive i have existing Gyno... Im not running it now but I do have all I need if I do decide. I know I can make ALOT more gainz before thinking about any sups, (other then whey)

Me 135... was 110 so you imagine..

Your on the right track....stick with the whey and creatine(which AX has a new one coming) until you decide its time for a little help then try mass fx and hyperdrol.....you will get gains from that stack as if you were taking something you shouldnt

[IceT]

Your on the right track....stick with the whey and creatine(which AX has a new one coming) until you decide its time for a little help then try mass fx and hyperdrol.....you will get gains from that stack as if you were taking something you shouldnt

ha ha thanks for the support.

[T-AD]

Personally, I don't think that these would hurt ya. Perhaps just run MassFX solo for now and EAT EAT EAT!!! The original version didn't have an AI in it, but the new one has a mild AI. I don't believe that I've heard of any honest reports of anyone developing any gyno or even getting flare-ups on the new version. You're good to go, bro!!

Later on down the line, if you want to try MFX again, throw in Hyperdrol. The combo is absolutely killer. And yes, I'll say it as "official word"... You're fine to take BOTH of these at 18. Don't go crazy with them - just do them as we recommend. Again, you're good to go!

[gltrdone83]

Yup, as Tim said you should be fine taking Mass FX. I haven't heard of any cases of gyno. As long as you follow the recommended dosage then you'll be just fine.

[IceT]

Personally, I don't think that these would hurt ya. Perhaps just run MassFX solo for now and EAT EAT EAT!!! The original version didn't have an AI in it, but the new one has a mild AI. I don't believe that I've heard of any honest reports of anyone developing any gyno or even getting flare-ups on the new version. You're good to go, bro!!

Later on down the line, if you want to try MFX again, throw in Hyperdrol. The combo is absolutely killer. And yes, I'll say it as "official word"... You're fine to take BOTH of these at 18. Don't go crazy with them - just do them as we recommend. Again, you're good to go!

alright thank you. I got them at a great deal and honestly wasnt planing on running them till christmas or feb. But just might do FX. thank you again

[T-AD]

Anytime!! If you need any help at all, just come to us and ask. For specific product questions like this, post here in our subforum instead of the general supplement forum. We'll find you easier and quicker, and make sure to get you the best answers that we can.

Good luck, man!! May you exceed all of your goals with haste!

[IceT]

Anytime!! If you need any help at all, just come to us and ask. For specific product questions like this, post here in our subforum instead of the general supplement forum. We'll find you easier and quicker, and make sure to get you the best answers that we can.

Good luck, man!! May you exceed all of your goals with haste!

thank you sir. your very helpfull to people both on this board and BB.com and I appreacate that more than you know.

God Bless

Tyler

[thesinner]

Baylor U studies have shown that 6-oxo increases estrogen. I'll never understand why people take this thinking it will prevent gyno. It isn't what I'd call effective for lowering estrogen.

The newest version of MassFX contains aromatase inhibitors, so the likelihood of excessive estrogenic sides are not very common. The ingredient profiles in both the original and Maximum Strength (i.e. newer) versions do not increase aromatase enzyme.... they increase androgens.

To put it simply in an analogy, let's say you are the aromatase enzyme. Androgens are food, and Estrogen is sh!t. If I give you more food to eat, you will sh!t more. If you start eating Michael Phelp's diet worth of food, you will sh!t a ton. That being said, the body is pretty resistant against sh!t, and can usually clean it up before it leaves a stain on the carpet. You'd have to pretty much fill the room, like increasing your serum levels to a point only obtainable by aromatizable exogeneous anabolic steroids for estrogen to become an issue. Furthermore, if something that increases serum estrogen is preventing gyno, I'd really question if gyno is something that would even occur.

[T-AD]

Baylor U studies have shown that 6-oxo increases estrogen. I'll never understand why people take this thinking it will prevent gyno. It isn't what I'd call effective for lowering estrogen.

The newest version of MassFX contains aromatase inhibitors, so the likelihood of excessive estrogenic sides are not very common. The ingredient profiles in both the original and Maximum Strength (i.e. newer) versions do not increase aromatase enzyme.... they increase androgens.

To put it simply in an analogy, let's say you are the aromatase enzyme. Androgens are food, and Estrogen is sh!t. If I give you more food to eat, you will sh!t more. If you start eating Michael Phelp's diet worth of food, you will sh!t a ton. That being said, the body is pretty resistant against sh!t, and can usually clean it up before it leaves a stain on the carpet. You'd have to pretty much fill the room, like increasing your serum levels to a point only obtainable by aromatizable exogeneous anabolic steroids for estrogen to become an issue. Furthermore, if something that increases serum estrogen is preventing gyno, I'd really question if gyno is something that would even occur.

First of all, that first paragraph - I double dog dare you to post that on a board where someone isn't perma-banned!!

Secondly, that's the most complex analogy I've ever heard!! Either you've outdone me finally, or it was so obscure that the right side of my brain completely shut down.

[jds1978]

Well i took mass fx and my nipples killed me..took 6oxo extreme and l-dopa and i'm fine....This study that study ..it will it wont...everyone is different!!!!!!!!!! Its good to get advise but it doesnt always mean its right

[T-AD]

Well i took mass fx and my nipples killed me..took 6oxo extreme and l-dopa and i'm fine....This study that study ..it will it wont...everyone is different!!!!!!!!!! Its good to get advise but it doesnt always mean its right

Well.... A few comments, if I may...

1. If anyone has pre-existing gyno symptoms, anything hormonal can make it flare up. Seeing as everyone is different, as you say, then even products that should not give you gyno may make you flare up. If you don't already have it, I highly doubt that it's going to be the root cause. The evidence and the science just don't agree with that, nor do any other personal experiences with MFX Max.
2. On that point, if it was the original MFX, I can more easily believe it. There were a handful of folks who had flare-ups because of it, but none that were outright CAUSED by MFX. The new version has the mild AI to prevent it from happening. And have you noticed how we always seem to recommend to stack it with HyperdrolX2 when someone asks about this? There's a reason. 6-bromo is the estro-killer. Any worries about gyno from 6-bromo are unfounded.
3. Whether or not 6oxo was the miracle cure for you is totally up to you. If you think it worked, then it did. I'm never one to say that the placebo affect isn't worth something. Rather, I think that whatever gets you going to make improvements and actually works is a wonderful product. Mind over matter - I've experimented with it and it's worked. In highschool, I got a group of my friends to tell another friend periodically throughout the morning that he didn't look so good. He was fine when he got to school. But because everyone was saying he looked ill, he started to believe it. Before lunch that day, he hurled and went home. Mind over matter...

Without bashing PA, Ergo, or the product line, I'll say this: People claim 6oxo to be the miracle cure for a lot of different ails. From reading on it, as well as 11oxo, I won't buy it just because of sheer economics. The dosing for these is often described as so much under that I'd need a ton of it to even do a short cycle. To me, that's just a waste of money. If I'm going to look for a good AI product, my money is going towards Hyperdrol - not out of affiliation or bias, but out of personal experience and feedback from others whom I have known for as long as I've been around here. Sinner swears by it, and I consider him a personal friend. Macedaddy's up-dosed it and I've done the same, with similar phenominal results. At this stage in my life, I'm not much for blowing hundreds on supplements each month just to experiment.

And as I keep saying over and over and over, knowledge is the most important thing to put into any stack/cycle.

[jds1978]

I did take hyperdrol with it...anyway i dont think it was the miracles of 6oxo i think it was the l-dopa, which reduces prolactin levels along with other things

[crazyfool405]

Baylor U studies have shown that 6-oxo increases estrogen. I'll never understand why people take this thinking it will prevent gyno. It isn't what I'd call effective for lowering estrogen.

The newest version of MassFX contains aromatase inhibitors, so the likelihood of excessive estrogenic sides are not very common. The ingredient profiles in both the original and Maximum Strength (i.e. newer) versions do not increase aromatase enzyme.... they increase androgens.

To put it simply in an analogy, let's say you are the aromatase enzyme. Androgens are food, and Estrogen is sh!t. If I give you more food to eat, you will sh!t more. If you start eating Michael Phelp's diet worth of food, you will sh!t a ton. That being said, the body is pretty resistant against sh!t, and can usually clean it up before it leaves a stain on the carpet. You'd have to pretty much fill the room, like increasing your serum levels to a point only obtainable by aromatizable exogeneous anabolic steroids for estrogen to become an issue. Furthermore, if something that increases serum estrogen is preventing gyno, I'd really question if gyno is something that would even occur.

which is why it should be ran along with a low dose 6 bromo and 3OHAT and maybe a little ATD along with ome serm like compounds .... if a product came out like that, i dont think anyone will run to using SERMs again.

[T-AD]

which is why it should be ran along with a low dose 6 bromo and 3OHAT and maybe a little ATD along with ome serm like compounds .... if a product came out like that, i dont think anyone will run to using SERMs again.

CRAZY overkill, bro. Seriously. For MFX? Definite overkill.

[crazyfool405]

CRAZY overkill, bro. Seriously. For MFX? Definite overkill.

no not for mass FX lololol

def not,

id juss use it with 6 oxo after or low dose bromo.

im saying thats what i would use PCT for something real harsh, especially if i use oxo.