[1Alphamal3]

Ok guy here goes

i am gonna start my first Epi cycle on june 1st. i have in hand Epi, cycle support, post cycle support, DHEA, X-lean, 6-oxo, and all the rest fish oil, creatine, etc.

dumb question do i take cycle support while on cycle?

and i was gonna pulse for my first cycle to see how my body reacts!

wk 1 = 10,20,30 wk 2 = 30,30,40, wk 4 thru wk 6 = 40

so please all advise is concidered!

thanks guys!!

[Zombie]

its recommended that Cycle support its preloaded at least 1 week before going on cycle and take it during cycle and pct .

Another note you didnt post any stats.

Also the idea of a pulse is to be longer on cycle with minimal sides and shutdown, and you only planning to pulse for 2 weeks ? most pulse cycles i seen are 6 weeks longs. I did Havoc (similar product) 1 month ago and loved it but i went with a straight run not a pulse.


And as far as time between cycles well its adviced that you take Time ON + PCT = time off, so that you understad if you do a cycle of 1 month and pct its another month when pct is over wait AT LEAST 2 months(if you wait longer its even better) to do another cycle, its adviced to not do more than 2 oral cycles a year.

FOr the kind of questions youre making i would advice you to do more reseach before doing this cycle.

[1Alphamal3]

it is a 6 week cycle, the reason i asked about cycle support during cycle is because everything i have read said milk thistle and other ingrediants hinder gains.

and i am researching that is why i am asking peole who know more than me!

[Zombie]

Originally Posted by 1Alphamal3

it is a 6 week cycle, the reason i asked about cycle support during cycle is because everything i have read said milk thistle and other ingrediants hinder gains.
and i am researching that is why i am asking peole who know more than me!

links ? ? ?

[1Alphamal3]

A lot of guys have been asking me to clarify my method on this cycling technique, so here's a good explanation if you're interested in trying this. It can generally be applied to any steroidal compound.


What is "pulse" cycling? Pulsing is a method of dosing a product designed to intentionally avoid potential long term side effects such as HPTA suppression and liver damage. This technique is usually applied as a means of toxicity control when potent corticoids are used on children requiring long term therapy. However, this method can be applied to anyone using any oral steroid with great success and significantly reduced side effects. With pulsing, the serious long term side effects of chronic oral treatment are avoided and short term side effect like acne and mineral retention are much milder that usual. This allows for higher doses to be used since the dosing is less frequent. For example, if you would normally take a product at 30 mg/day, that equals a total intake of 210 mg/week. While pulsing, you might typically take 40 mg on work out days only, 3 times per week. That only comes out to 120 mg/week total! This provides the needed benefits of the product at the most crucial times, which are just before and just after a work out, and offers a means of avoiding the suppression of endogenous steroid production one would expect on a standard, daily dosing cycle. In other words, you can often pulse a compound for 6-8 weeks before you realistically need to start thinking about a conventional post cycle therapy. After a 4 week pulsing cycle, post cycle therapy should not even be required in most cases!

Basically, if you dose every day (ED) in perfectly spaced doses, you will achieve 100% effect, 100% short term side effects, and 100% long term side effects. If you dose every other day (EOD) like the pulse protocol, you still get about 60% effect and 75% short term sides, but only about 40% of the long term sides. That's not a bad trade off and very economical on the body and as well as the wallet! Of course, if you would have gained 10 pounds on a standard 1 month cycle, you will only gain about 6 pounds per month pulsing, but it also means you can do this for twice as long as a standard cycle. That equals about 2 months of worry free dosing, so the net effect is a gain of about 12 pounds over 2 months instead of 10 pounds over 1 month. This structure offers fewer sides and a milder post cycle therapy requirement (if even needed at all) plus the slower gains tend to have a better residual that is more likely to be permanent compared to faster gains. It's a great long term strategy for vets wanting to run 12 weeks, and good for new users too looking to run fast and clean 1 month cycles with no post cycle therapy needed later.

There are three common approaches to pulsing:
1) EOD dosing, so 3-4 times per week.
2) 2 days on / 2 days off
3) 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off (some guys do this and think it's great, I don't practice it but it looks exceptionally safe at least)

Depending on your workout schedule, I would use one of these options for optimal pulsing efficiency. Doses can usually be high (40-60 mg instead of 10-30 mg) but take them close together preferably before 6 pm. It's not crucial you take the last dose before 6 pm, but the earlier the better for avoiding shut down. Take half of the total dose pre work out and half post work out instead of spread out evenly over the whole day like a conventional cycle. If an odd dose is to be used, like 30 mg, take the majority pre work out (so 20 mg pre/10 mg post). However, when pulsing non methylated compounds or fast acting ethers, take the greater dose post work out instead of pre work out. When pulsing, dose at least 3 times per week but not more than 4 times to insure optimal results. 5 doses per week is pushing it and suppression will eventually ensue. If this is attempted, "holidays" of complete non use for up to a week per month may be required to discourage suppression. I do not recommend more than 4.5 doses per week and that is for advanced level only!

Also important to remember is nutrition. Have a good, high carb/calorie post work out meal or shake, and ingest sufficient protein especially on the off days. Off days are also a good time to take a cortisol antagonist or even just low dose DHEA (25-50 mg) if you're a slow healer or hard gainer especially. Cortisol peaks in the morning and again in the mid afternoon so dose at those 2 times minimum. Although pulsing is a great way to avoid suppression, if you're extra sensitive to shut down or using a very suppressive compound, an herbal testosterone booster can be used on the off nights or even included everyday. In fact, running test boosters as the core of your cycle and pulsing a methyl just to augment that is possibly one of the best methods you could employ if not using injectable testosterone. Also, avoid the use of SERMs with long half lives when pulsing. An aromatase inhibitor (AI) or test booster will further punctuate the positive, hormonal "bounce back" effect of pulsing. This bounce back phenomenon is an effect that is often noted when pulsing, so don't be alarmed if your testicular size increases dramatically on the off days. It is not uncommon for testicular volume and testosterone levels to increase above baseline, especially on consecutive off days during the pulse or after the cycle is over. This is like a built in post cycle therapy effect and if you're pulsing properly, you should experiences this to some degree. In pulsing, it is also important to remember that the smaller number of dose exposures means faster liver clearance. Normal safety ancillaries like healthy oils and lipid supplements are always advised on cycle and off, but be modest with liver protectants like Milk Thistle. They are generally counter productive and therefore not suggested when pulsing, except in conjunction with very potent or toxic compounds. If you elect to use liver protectants anyway, I would reserve them for off days only or take them no earlier than 6 hrs after your final dose of anabolics. Cycle safe!


Example of a 3x/wk pulse M,W,F:

Week-Dose(mg)
1 (10,20,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 30-40
5 30-50
6 30-50
7 30-60
8 30-60

Example of a 4x/wk pulse Sat, Sun, Wed, Thur:

Week-Dose(mg)
1 (10,20,30,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 30-40
5 30-50
6 30-50

[dmangiarelli]

It's pretty much your choice. If it were me I would err on the side of my liver rather than muscles. Who wants to have big ass mass and a failed liver?

[Force of Green]

Originally Posted by dmangiarelli

It's pretty much your choice. If it were me I would err on the side of my liver rather than muscles. Who wants to have big ass mass and a failed liver?

Livers are definitely overrated.

[dmangiarelli]

Originally Posted by Force of Green

Livers are definitely overrated.

LOL! Well, I have two livers son ...

[Rob Awesome]

For an Epi Cycle - I would go with Cycle Support for an entire week prior to beginning and straight through your PCT. Tamox & Torem are both hepatoxic.

As far as Post Cycle Support is concerned - now this is ME... if you decide to use an AI during a SERM supported PCT... I would go half dose.... ie like this,

Week 1 - Tamox 40, 6-oxo (Rec. Dose), Post Cycle Sup (Rec Dose)
Week 2 - Tamox 40, 6-oxo (Rec. Dose), Post Cycle Sup (Rec Dose)
Week 3 - Tamox 20, 6-oxo (1/2 Rec. Dose), Post Cycle Sup (Rec Dose)
Week 4 - Tamox 20, 6-oxo (1/2 Rec. Dose), Post Cycle Sup (Rec Dose)

Week 1 - Torem 120-90, 6-oxo (Rec. Dose), Post Cycle Sup (Rec Dose)
Week 2 - Torem 90, 6-oxo (Rec. Dose), Post Cycle Sup (Rec Dose)
Week 3 - Torem 60, 6-oxo (1/2 Rec. Dose), Post Cycle Sup (Rec Dose)
Week 4 - Torem 30, 6-oxo (1/2 Rec. Dose), Post Cycle Sup (Rec Dose)

*Tamox/Torem doses in milligrams

[stxnas]

^^^Who the hell is that???

[stxnas]

Just Kidding...He made it over here before I could introduce him here.

Just having a little fun on the weekend! Thanks for posting that Rob. I always get questions about Torem and I can never remember the dosing scheme for it.

[GQNemesis]

Originally Posted by 1Alphamal3

Ok guy here goes

i am gonna start my first Epi cycle on june 1st. i have in hand Epi, cycle support, post cycle support, DHEA, X-lean, 6-oxo, and all the rest fish oil, creatine, etc.

dumb question do i take cycle support while on cycle?

and i was gonna pulse for my first cycle to see how my body reacts!

wk 1 = 10,20,30 wk 2 = 30,30,40, wk 4 thru wk 6 = 40

so please all advise is concidered!

thanks guys!!

yup use cycle support through out the whole cycle .. wouldnt and cant really hurt .. heck you can even do half serving in AM and half serving in PM .. so you can use it everyday through even PCT

im currently doing life support which is half as strong as cycle support.

if you try it out on your cycle .. how does it mix and taste ?i might pick it up along with pcs for my next cycle.

[Isma3286]

Originally Posted by 1Alphamal3

Ok guy here goes

i am gonna start my first Epi cycle on june 1st. i have in hand Epi, cycle support, post cycle support, DHEA, X-lean, 6-oxo, and all the rest fish oil, creatine, etc.

dumb question do i take cycle support while on cycle?

and i was gonna pulse for my first cycle to see how my body reacts!

wk 1 = 10,20,30 wk 2 = 30,30,40, wk 4 thru wk 6 = 40

so please all advise is concidered!

thanks guys!!

im using cycle support while on Epidrol, i started this past monday with 10mg then up to 20mg, im starting with 30mg as of all of next week and will continue until I complete 4 weeks at 40mg. Even though I've been at 20mg and just for one week i've seen a little bit of definition and less fat...maybe I'm the only one that notices it yet. I recommend you take the Cycle Support because it not only protects your liver but also your cardiovascular, endocrine, as well as reproductive systems, so you get a very good deal for about 40 bucks and it lasts you for a whole month! I'm not advertising it either, but come on, I dont think it's any harm to take that **** and might as well just be on the safe side. And personally..I dont think it hinders gains...at least not that much.

[Isma3286]

Originally Posted by GQNemesis

yup use cycle support through out the whole cycle .. wouldnt and cant really hurt .. heck you can even do half serving in AM and half serving in PM .. so you can use it everyday through even PCT

im currently doing life support which is half as strong as cycle support.

if you try it out on your cycle .. how does it mix and taste ?i might pick it up along with pcs for my next cycle.

it mixes really easy with the blender. by itself it taste kinda yucky..not bad...but just weird. However, a chocolate protein will totally disguise the flavor.